RWJ Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said: Keim emergency podcast. Team did their homework on Wentz. A. They believe he opens up their playbook in a way they haven’t been able to do in years. He can make some special throws. B. Personality stuff: Not a bad guy. But he is an introvert not extroverted. Keeps a small circle of friends versus being the type who hangs with every one C. Type A personality. Very hard worker. First in and last out type of QB. Practices hard. D. Better passing weapons here than Indy E. The one QB they like if he falls to 11 is Pickett. He thinks they might still take him still but he is not sure anymore F. Before the trade he was told they may still take a QB if they got Wentz. Keim thinks more likely in the 2nd round. I am in the trade down mode now. Recoup another pick in the 2nd or 3rd round depending on how far you fall. Draft a QB that they like if he slides and fall to the later 1st and maybe trade down again in the 2nd to recoup another pick. We gave up picks now get them back and let's see how good our scouting dept. and GMs are. Edited March 10, 2022 by RWJ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 5 minutes ago, dunfer said: So hes RG3 so far. can he read a defense ive seen highlights of him sliding at least Can he read a defense? Yeah he’s a smart dude. Not many QBs score a 40 on the wonderlic. RG3 who u mention got a 24. He’s known as football smart and a hardworker. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zCommander Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 49 minutes ago, Simmsy said: Another question: TH knew the playbook, Wentz obviously does not. How much will that effect our ability to execute the offense? It shouldn't matter for Wentz. He is so much better than Taylor. Carson is supersmart. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlvinWaltonIsMyBoy Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 This narrative that we overpaid for Wentz because Rivera said “we’ll do everything we can to get a QB” is a dumb one. It needs to die. Maybe attach it to the Heinicke Hive thread before deleting it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 8 minutes ago, dunfer said: So hes RG3 so far. can he read a defense ive seen highlights of him sliding at least This would be the perfect time for that meme that’s like: *has only seen the movie Boss Baby* *sees any other film in existence* “I’m getting some real Boss Baby vibes from this film” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 20 minutes ago, FootballZombie said: Can't hold a camp w/ 2 arms. More QB beef coming Yeah, but probably a raw rookie draft pick and an UDFA. Neither is really going to be completion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJ Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 9 minutes ago, kingdaddy said: I think TH is gonna push Wentz hard....Wentz arm strength and experience will win out but TH has a leg up in the system and his teammates like him. Wentz is going to have to win some guys over. Regardless of what anyone thinks about TH, he has guts, competes hard and has some very good wins on his short resume'. His teammates know this and they don't know anything about Wentz...leadership is huge for a QB as you all know and Wentz will need to do the little things with his teammates to get their trust/confidence. I hope he does. When you trade what we traded for today and your are paying him $28 mill, he's your QB1. Love TH but he's not going to push Wentz to many assets have been giving out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunfer Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Conn said: This would be the perfect time for that meme that’s like: *has only seen the movie Boss Baby* *sees any other film in existence* “I’m getting some real Boss Baby vibes from this film” I was just referring to Keim's analysis saying Wentz is an introvert (weird guy) Edited March 10, 2022 by dunfer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMadisonSkins Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Conn said: Idk why you keep saying this, a few small moves they want to make anyways and we’ll have plenty of room for a couple nice FA deals with smaller year 1 hits. Keim has already talked about them demanding Collins take a cut or get cut for $6M cap savings, and they want to extend Flowers freeing up some money this year. And there’s other moves they can make as well. I understand. Cutting Collins is $6. Extending Flowers maybe saves $5. So now you have $16m. We went into last season with that much and ended up spending it down to the $6m we rolled over. Also another $3m for our draft class in the rule of top 51. McLaurin is making like $1m. Extending him to include this year likely pushes his number way up. I’m struggling to find where $16m is near enough for a few splashy signs while also bringing back McKissic or McCain, which creates holes at RB and FS. And SS depth since Shaze has a criminal case pending and Collins just got cut in this scenario. Think we’d have 2 S on the roster? So WR, LB, FS, RB, SS, OL depth since we only have 7 under contract and 3 of those are gone after 2022 as of now. And we have 3 picks through Round 4. Edited March 10, 2022 by JamesMadisonSkins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdaddy Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 8 minutes ago, Conn said: Idk why you keep saying this, a few small moves they want to make anyways and we’ll have plenty of room for a couple nice FA deals with smaller year 1 hits. Keim has already talked about them demanding Collins take a cut or get cut for $6M cap savings, and they want to extend Flowers freeing up some money this year. And there’s other moves they can make as well. Is Scherff coming off the books already included in our cap space when everyone talks about our cap space? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMadisonSkins Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Just now, kingdaddy said: Is Scherff coming off the books already included in our cap space when everyone talks about our cap space? Scherff is off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdaddy Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 minute ago, JamesMadisonSkins said: I understand. Cutting Collins is $6. Extending Flowers maybe saves $5. So now you have $16m. We went into last season with that much and ended up spending it down to the $6m we rolled over. Also another $3m for our draft class in the rule of top 51. McLaurin is making like $1m. Extending him to include this year likely pushes his number way up. I’m struggling to find where $16m is near enough for a few splashy signs while also bringing back McKissic or McCain, which creates holes at RB and FS. So WR, LB, FS, RB, OL depth. And we have 3 picks through Round 4. Seems like we may need to sit pat at WR with all of our other holes....Roll with Terry, Samuel, Brown, Humphries and hopefully Carter too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ball Security Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 39 minutes ago, FLSkinz83 said: Zach Pascal was the Colts #2 WR last year.....Yet people keep talking about the O-Line and RB Is that the same Zach Pascal who, paired with Brisett and Rivers, out produced any Washington #2 receiver since 2016. That Zach Pascal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdaddy Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Just now, kingdaddy said: Seems like we may need to sit pat at WR with all of our other holes....Roll with Terry, Samuel, Brown, Humphries and hopefully Carter too. I assume Sims will walk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMadisonSkins Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Guess we gotta hope we nail our UDFA class this year because we probably need about 6 guys to stick to our opening day 53 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 8 minutes ago, RWJ said: As I always do with respect to ALL on this board and with Mods in watch mode. I respectfully disagree with you, Conn. Why? You’re allowed to say, disagreeing isn’t fighting lol. You’re allowed to have your opinion, disagreeing with you is not trying to strip you of that right. I’ve stated why I think the narrative you’re latching onto doesn’t really make sense. Any reply to the specific points that I made? I’m not being aggressive or going into attack mode or anything, this is a message board. It’s for discussion. It feels like you have this habit of clinging to a certain narrative or opinion and posting it over and over with a very delicate “that’s just MY opinion, we all have our own, please keep that in mind” or something like it, I’m paraphrasing. Over and over you say defensive things like that as if to head off any reasonable disagreement. Why? Aren’t we here to exchange ideas, not just write what we think over and over again looking for agreement or just “agree to disagree”? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMadisonSkins Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Just now, kingdaddy said: Seems like we may need to sit pat at WR with all of our other holes....Roll with Terry, Samuel, Brown, Humphries and hopefully Carter too. Humphries and Carter are free agents. Probably commanding $3-4m apiece to bring back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJ Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, kingdaddy said: Is Scherff coming off the books already included in our cap space when everyone talks about our cap space? If we didn't make any FA moves we could recoup our 3rd rounder in 2023 from Scherff getting his big pay day. A thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdaddy Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, RWJ said: When you trade what we traded for today and your are paying him $28 mill, he's your QB1. Love TH but he's not going to push Wentz to many assets have been giving out. Yeah, I agree....but that's not my point, my point is that TH is gonna be hungry and I don't know how well Wentz will handle it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ball Security Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, JamesMadisonSkins said: I understand. Cutting Collins is $6. Extending Flowers maybe saves $5. So now you have $16m. We went into last season with that much and ended up spending it down to the $6m we rolled over. Also another $3m for our draft class in the rule of top 51. McLaurin is making like $1m. Extending him to include this year likely pushes his number way up. I’m struggling to find where $16m is near enough for a few splashy signs while also bringing back McKissic or McCain, which creates holes at RB and FS. And SS depth since Shaze has a criminal case pending and Collins just got cut in this scenario. Think we’d have 2 S on the roster? So WR, LB, FS, RB, SS, OL depth since we only have 7 under contract and 3 of those are gone after 2022 as of now. And we have 3 picks through Round 4. Cutting Collins is about $12M with a post 6/1 cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Logan Paulsen’s part of the Keim podcast. Main pluses A. Rocket of an arm. Turner’s offense sets up the deep ball well but Heinicke couldn’t exploit that. B. Defenses have to defend the whole field against him. Which should open things up for our playmakers C quick twitch player quick release D. Comes off smart. You can see him set projections before the snap quite aggressively in games E. He didn’t love his supporting cast as to the passing weapons in Indy, thinks the weapons here are better minuses A. He’s lost some mobility yet plays like he’s not aware that he has. Too much hero ball. B. His eyes dart all over the place which makes him wonder about his vision C. Can make killer throws followed by bad throws. Lacks consistency at times D. Feels like he’s the type where u need to have a balanced offense to help him find a rythmn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMadisonSkins Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Just now, Ball Security said: Cutting Collins is about $12M with a post 6/1 cut. True, but that cash isn’t freed up until June 1 and we are going to need it next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSSkinz Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 14 minutes ago, FootballZombie said: A significantly smaller offer would have pried Wentz off of Indy and prevented him from hitting FA. How do you know this? How do you know that Indy wasn't going team to team leveraging the last offer until they maximized it? Was there a report that Indy would have taken less but our FO decided to give them more because we're nice guys? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playaction2Sanders Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 6 hours ago, IrepDC said: We bought low this time. That's a good thing. We can also capitalize on BPA with our first 2 picks in a quality draft now. We always buy low and its never worked out.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJ Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Conn said: Why? You’re allowed to say, disagreeing isn’t fighting lol. You’re allowed to have your opinion, disagreeing with you is not trying to strip you of that right. I’ve stated why I think the narrative you’re latching onto doesn’t really make sense. Any reply to the specific points that I made? I’m not being aggressive or going into attack mode or anything, this is a message board. It’s for discussion. It feels like you have this habit of clinging to a certain narrative or opinion and posting it over and over with a very delicate “that’s just MY opinion, we all have our own, please keep that in mind” or something like it, I’m paraphrasing. Over and over you say defensive things like that as if to head off any reasonable disagreement. Why? Aren’t we here to exchange ideas, not just write what we think over and over again looking for agreement or just “agree to disagree”? I yam what I yam, Conn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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