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Clemson and FSU to the SEC with Ohio St & Michigan? 

 

"SEC has been in serious contact with Ohio State, Michigan, Clemson, and Florida State. Not clear if this will materialize, but they have their eyes on a true 20 team MEGA conference. OU and Texas just the start. #ScoopCity"

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11 minutes ago, daveakl said:

Clemson and FSU to the SEC with Ohio St & Michigan? 

 

"SEC has been in serious contact with Ohio State, Michigan, Clemson, and Florida State. Not clear if this will materialize, but they have their eyes on a true 20 team MEGA conference. OU and Texas just the start. #ScoopCity"

When I think of the Southeast, I definitely think of Michigan.  This is bonkers.

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Momma There Goes That Man

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1 hour ago, daveakl said:

Clemson and FSU to the SEC with Ohio St & Michigan? 

 

"SEC has been in serious contact with Ohio State, Michigan, Clemson, and Florida State. Not clear if this will materialize, but they have their eyes on a true 20 team MEGA conference. OU and Texas just the start. #ScoopCity"


if this happens it basically ends college football as we know it. Nobody outside of the “sec” matters at that point and will be treated like Boise State in the middle 2000s. I mean the only traditional “power” that wouldn’t be included are Miami, Notre Dame and USC. 


this is bad for college football. 

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The Evil Genius

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You know what else is bad for college football? The transfer portal. Bama boosters paying kids millions before they take a snap.  ESPN meddling in conference alignment circa 2010.

 

Oh and I will extremely stunned (but thankful) if WVU got the ACC invite. 

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On 7/24/2021 at 10:04 PM, stevemcqueen1 said:

Jeez.  So it would just be the two Kansas schools and Oklahoma State left holding the bag?

 

Kansas (for basketball reasons) and Iowa State to the B1G makes sense for both parties imo.

 

I suspect KState, OK State, Baylor, and TCU might have the most problems finding a home. 

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Which brings West Virginia to a rather familiar place as it considers what would be its optimal outcome: joining the ACC.

 

Its efforts to that end didn’t pan out in 2011, when WVU aspired to join Big East partners Pitt and Syracuse in their move. Linking up with the Big 12 ultimately brought larger payouts to the Mountaineers, though it also meant a significant spike in travel expenses and forced fans to imagine new rivalries against the likes of Oklahoma State, Baylor and Iowa State.

 

Ten years ago, a block of ACC schools objected to West Virginia’s lack of lofty academic standing and the perception that its fans were too unruly. Will the ACC’s feelings have changed a decade later?

 

Although West Virginia isn’t part of the Association of American Universities — a prestigious distinction to which six ACC schools belong (and eight don’t) — WVU raised its academic profile by achieving Carnegie R1 research status in 2016. Throughout Gordon Gee’s second stint as president, the administration and athletic department have worked to eradicate the rowdy image of some students and fans. Anecdotally, Big 12 fans traveling to Morgantown across the past 10 years have found the gameday atmosphere welcoming.

 

Bolstered by Big 12 member shares ranging from $32 million to $38 million annually, West Virginia has completed a three-phase renovation of its football stadium and basketball arena. The modernized facilities will look much more impressive to site evaluators than they did in 2011.

Based on football attendance for the last two seasons pre-pandemic, 2018 and 2019, West Virginia’s average home crowd of 57,032 would be on par with Miami for the fourth-highest in the ACC, behind Clemson (80,634), Florida State (61,153) and Virginia Tech (58,933). West Virginia’s four-year recruiting average from 2018 through 2021 ranks 42nd nationally, better than 10 ACC programs.

 

Reigniting traditional rivalries against Pitt, Virginia Tech, Syracuse and Boston College would also provide a jolt of passion and nostalgia to the ACC’s television inventory. As one industry source explained, “content will be king” during this round of realignment. Conferences will be thinking about intraconference matchups (in all sports) and what would be most valuable in media rights negotiations. This is obviously one of the driving forces behind the SEC’s interest in Texas and Oklahoma, and it’s also evident in the way Power 5 conferences approach their own media networks. The ACC, for example, is putting two marquee October games — Clemson-Boston College and Notre Dame-Virginia Tech — on ACC Network. As streaming becomes more prevalent and fans continue to cut the cord on cable, leagues will be thinking about how to drive viewership. Compelling regular-season matchups would play a key role.

Would that move the needle for the ACC? It’s not yet clear. The most compelling reason for the ACC to take a long look at WVU is a familiar one: money. The ACC’s media rights deal leaves a lot to be desired; the league signed a 20-year contract with ESPN in 2016, locking it into a long-term deal that will allow its schools to be leapfrogged by their peers in other conferences (particularly once the Pac-12 signs its new deal) in the coming years. Adding a member is one of the triggers that would allow the ACC to renegotiate its broadcast rights contract with ESPN. Every other Power 5 league has a deal that will expire within the next four years.

 

The ACC would, obviously, like to add Notre Dame as a full-fledged member. New commissioner Jim Phillips made that clear last week at ACC media days, stating that Notre Dame “(knows) the ACC’s interest. It’s been less than bashful since I’ve been here.”

 

One ACC source told The Athletic on Friday that the expansion conversation “starts and stops” with Notre Dame. “Notre Dame and anyone is a home run,” the source said, adding that WVU would make sense as the 16th ACC member to reunite with the league’s former Big East members. Also of note: Clemson president Jim Clements was president of WVU during the 2011 realignment scramble, and current Mountaineers athletic director Shane Lyons previously spent 10 years as an associate commissioner at the ACC.

 

College Football Hall of Fame coach Don Nehlen, whose relationship with ex-Big 12 commissioner Chuck Neinas strengthened West Virginia’s realignment cause in 2011, still resides in Morgantown. At age 85, he still keeps up with college athletics and contends the Mountaineers would bolster the ACC in football and basketball.

 

“The ACC would be a really good fit for us,” Nehlen told The Athletic on Saturday. “This time, we’ve got a gentleman named Gordon Gee who we didn’t have before, and with Clements at Clemson, that would really be two pluses for us.”

 

https://theathletic.com/2728213/2021/07/25/amid-big-12-uncertainty-west-virginias-long-held-acc-interest-reenters-the-picture/

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WVU to the ACC in the coastal division is a no-brainer to me.  That'd help rekindle the rivalries with Pitt, Miami, and VT too.

 

The problem for the ACC is being unable to get ND to join for football.  If they could get them in while bringing in WVU, then they could renegotiate their crappy TV deal and have two 8 team conferences with good rivalry connections in each division.

 

Breaking up the Texas schools into different conferences is kind of disappointing.  Having a major conference that included all of the Southern Great Plains made geographic sense.  It sucks that it's getting cannibalized by the SEC.  But WVU always made more sense for the ACC than Big-12.

 

The B1G and SEC are going to try and poach Clemson and Florida State.  It'd be dumb for them to leave the ACC IMO, since they have such a recruiting advantage on the rest of the conference.  But if it happened, then the ACC will have to expand and probably try and get UCF and maybe Memphis to join.  But if they wanted to expand into the Texas market, Baylor would be a nice get for the ACC.  So would Kansas.

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On 7/23/2021 at 5:27 PM, The Evil Genius said:

 

Depending on the requirements of the grant (from my limited understanding), WVU has to accept basically almost anyone from within the state applying to it (the minimums are ridiculous). The effect of that is rhat it diminishes the academic prestige of the university because of the lower graduation rates, lower test scores, etc. 

 

Again, that's my limited understanding of it.

Sounds like a perfect fit for the Confederate Conference if you ask me. Oh wait, they can only afford to pay their players with lumps of coal and Mountain Dew so they wouldn’t be competitive.

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