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[Voice_of_Reason]

3 hours ago, AlvinWaltonIsMyBoy said:

Best WR group since The Posse. 

Maybe.  But the Garcon/DJax/Crowder trio was pretty good.  
 

I still can’t believe they let both Garcon and DJax go and thought Ryan Grant was a legitimate starting WR.  Good god that was massively stupid.  

[Always A Commander Never A Captain]

28 minutes ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

Maybe.  But the Garcon/DJax/Crowder trio was pretty good.  
 

I still can’t believe they let both Garcon and DJax go and thought Ryan Grant was a legitimate starting WR.  Good god that was massively stupid.  

 

I don't think they did, but they seriously overrated Grant.  They did think Doctson and Terrelle Pryor were though.  Crowder was the slot going with them.

[PartyPosse]

5 minutes ago, Alcoholic Zebra said:

 

I don't think they did, but they seriously overrated Grant.  They did think Doctson and Terrelle Pryor were though.  Crowder was the slot going with them.

Not as much as Baltimore when they almost signed him to a 4 year/29 million dollar contract.

[mhd24]

39 minutes ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

Maybe.  But the Garcon/DJax/Crowder trio was pretty good.  
 

I still can’t believe they let both Garcon and DJax go and thought Ryan Grant was a legitimate starting WR.  Good god that was massively stupid.  

 

It wasn't that awful to let them both go.  DJAX was awesome, but he's had huge injury issues throughout his career.  Garcon only played 16 more games before retiring.  Taking a WR (Doctson) in anticipation of those two being WRs being gone was smart (although everyone knew we wanted Ryan Kelly).  Albeit we took a bust in Doctson.  

[Voice_of_Reason]

I think when looking at the roster, it might be useful to actually add 2 players to the special teams group, snd not even consider them position players.  
 

Apke might make the team.  But he isn’t making it as a CB or a safety.  He’s making it as a special teams player. 
 

There was a LB last year (I think, might have been a DB), I forget who, who played on just about ever special teams snap but not one defensive snap.  
 

I wish you could designate a player a “special teams” player, and not with a position group.  And have that be the primary responsibility, and the secondary responsibility be the position. 
 

Shrug.  

[PartyPosse]

2 minutes ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

Apke might make the team.  But he isn’t making it as a CB or a safety.  He’s making it as a special teams player. 

Rather Everett stay. He's at least serviceable at S

[Voice_of_Reason]

46 minutes ago, Alcoholic Zebra said:

 

I don't think they did, but they seriously overrated Grant.  They did think Doctson and Terrelle Pryor were though.  Crowder was the slot going with them.

No, they absolutely thought Grant would start outside on the other side of Doctson in 3 WR sets.  Jay confirmed it over snd over. I quoted it repeatedly on 2017.  It was idiotic.  Pryor was brought in to be an insurance policy for Doctson.  They played/practiced the same position.  
 

The idiotic idea is Crowder would start outside in 2 WR sets then move inside and Grant woukd start outside.  
 

And the combination of Reed and Crowder inside would be good.

 

What the morons didn’t consider is 

1. Doctson never showed any indication he could play.

 

2. Crowder and Reed in the middle just drew all the coverage inside because defenses could just lock down the outside guys with practice squad level DBs.

 

3. Reed was always hurt

 

4. Grant, because if lack of physical talent, scared nobody, and defenses just played him straight up snd forgot about him, which provided them an advantage.

 

5. crowder playing outside took away what he did well.  So they tried that stupidity for a few weeks then just went with Grant as the other starter.  Which was moronic also.  

 

It was the absolute stupidest decision from a roster management perspective the team made since it paid AH 6 gagillion dollars.  Absolutely dumb as hell.  
 

This is an emotional issue for me.  I screamed about it before it happened, predicted it would happen, predicted the results and was right at every turn. 

Edited August 8, 2021 by Voice_of_Reason

[AlvinWaltonIsMyBoy]

Sorry to trigger you guys. 🤣

 

[Voice_of_Reason]

37 minutes ago, mhd24 said:

 

It wasn't that awful to let them both go.  DJAX was awesome, but he's had huge injury issues throughout his career.  Garcon only played 16 more games before retiring.  Taking a WR (Doctson) in anticipation of those two being WRs being gone was smart (although everyone knew we wanted Ryan Kelly).  Albeit we took a bust in Doctson.  

Letting 2,000+ yards of offensive production leave the building at the same time and have absolutely no replacement plan other than a second year guy who’d been hurt his entire rookie season and people were openly questioning whether or not he wanted to play football, and signing Pryor to back him up, and counting on Crowder, Reed and Grant to pick up the slack was absolutely moronic Roster management.  

This is my last post on this.  I’ve sabotaged the thread enough.  

1 minute ago, AlvinWaltonIsMyBoy said:

Sorry to trigger you guys. 🤣

 

I have Bruce/Jay PTSD.  I’m easily triggered.  

[PartyPosse]

8 minutes ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

Pryor was brought in to be an insurance policy for Doctson.  

I honestly don't know what the plan was Pryor was. I assume the hope was he continued his upward trajectory and then signed him to a long deal. Good thing he was a massive bust otherwise we may still be paying him.

[Voice_of_Reason]

12 minutes ago, PartyPosse said:

I honestly don't know what the plan was Pryor was. I assume the hope was he continued his upward trajectory and then signed him to a long deal. Good thing he was a massive bust otherwise we may still be paying him.

I’m telling you he was brought in to provide insurance for Doctson.  They rotated practice reps at the same position. They were never on the field at the same time.

 

Which is fine.  Except that it meant by default Grant was the starter on the other side, which was beyond stupid. 

[PartyPosse]

14 minutes ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

I’m telling you he was brought in to provide insurance for Doctson.  They rotated practice reps at the same position. They were never on the field at the same time.

 

Which is fine.  Except that it meant by default Grant was the starter on the other side, which was beyond stupid. 

You don't bring in a guy on a one year "prove it" deal for 10 million to just be insurance. 

[Skinsinparadise]

2 hours ago, GothSkinsFan said:

 

We were the offseason champs of the '10's, or whatever the kids call it, so let someone else collect some of that hardware for a change.  Trade 'em Wes Martin for a 7th.

 

I hear you.  My point was the Giants FA spree worked last off season really well.   They went after it again this off season -- hopefully this time they fail.  The WFT was also aggressive this off season. 

[mojo]

25 minutes ago, PartyPosse said:

You don't bring in a guy on a one year "prove it" deal for 10 million to just be insurance. 

I think the fact he torched Norman with like 10 catches from a QB no one had heard of when we played the Browns the year prior to signing him played a part as well.

[mhd24]

17 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

I hear you.  My point was the Giants FA spree worked last off season really well.   They went after it again this off season -- hopefully this time they fail.  The WFT was also aggressive this off season. 

 

We are lucky that they have horrible in the draft.

 

Taking a RB at #2 overall was plain idiotic (thank god they never took Josh Allen, Nelson, or traded down with the Jets to get those 3 #2s).  Nick Chubb is the best RB in that draft and they could have had him with their 2nd round pick.

Which resulted in them being forced to take Daniel Jones the next year (thank god Herbert stayed at Oregon).

They also busted on Baker in the 1st round.

I know some here liked Andrew Thomas, but I'd say he's the 4th tackle amongst Wirfs, Becton, and Jedrick Wills.

 

They have been forced to use FA to cover up for their horrific drafting.  The DT they took from Clemson is a good player, but they have been horrible in the 1st round.  They had to let Dalvin Tomlinson go because they couldn't afford him.  

 

They also have zippo in cap space next year (See https://www.forbes.com/sites/patriciatraina/2021/04/27/new-york-giants-facing-potential-salary-cap-trouble-in-2022/?sh=7f379c467a01)

 

They have to nail their picks next year (which they have a ton of).

[Skinsinparadise]

1 hour ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

No, they absolutely thought Grant would start outside on the other side of Doctson in 3 WR sets.  Jay confirmed it over snd over. I quoted it repeatedly on 2017.  It was idiotic.  Pryor was brought in to be an insurance policy for Doctson.  They played/practiced the same position.  
 

 

The way I took it was they were higher on Pryor than Doctson.  Both got hurt though.  So if it was Jay preferring Ryan Grant over Doctson, doesn't seem looney in retrospect.   Ditto Grant over Quick or Maurice Harris.  Not exactly a murders row of choices at WR.  If the idea here is to take a shot at Jay, which I know you like to do 😀 I think a good angle would be he bought into the Pryor hype.  The egg on your face category though I think would go to Bruce on this one more so.  Jay wanted to keep Desean who had two good years left in him.  He also wanted to keep Crowder.  Crowder more so than Desean has had a decent run in NY albeit he's been overpaid. 

 

I recall the smug look on Bruce's face in a JP Finlay interview that off season when he addressed losing Garcon and Desean and he goes yeah but look at what he replaced them with, and then he touted Quick and Pryor.

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18875287/terrelle-pryor-signing-washington-redskins

The Washington Redskins have signed wide receiver Terrelle Pryor Sr., the team announced Friday.

Sources told ESPN's Adam Schefter that the sides had agreed to a one-year, $8 million contract.

The Redskins will hope that Pryor's signing helps fill the void left by the free-agency departures of DeSean Jackson (Buccaneers) and Pierre Garcon (49ers).

Pryor, 27, led the Browns with 77 receptions, 1,007 yards and four touchdowns last season. Cleveland decided against using the franchise tag on Pryor, which would have paid the wide receiver $15.682 million in 2017 if they couldn't agree to a long-term contract.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2017/03/10/do-not-publish-redskins-agree-to-terms-with-wr-terrelle-pryor/

Listed at 6-foot-4 and 223 pounds, Pryor reportedly ran the 40-yard dash at his pro day in 4.38 seconds. The Redskins now have two big targets on the outside with Pryor and Josh Doctson, listed at 6-2 and 206 pounds. Just two seasons ago, the Redskins didn’t have a wide receiver over six feet.

While Jackson and Garcon each recorded over 1,000 receiving yards last year, Washington’s offense still has good targets in the pass game. Pyror will likely allow the Redskins to keep Jamison Crowder in the slot, where he’s been very effective in his first two NFL seasons, to go along with Doctson and Maurice Harris at the position. Pryor can also create matchup problems from the slot as well. The Redskins still have a dynamic threat in tight end Jordan Reed, and they re-signed Vernon Davis on Wednesday before the start of free agency.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2017/03/10/do-not-publish-redskins-agree-to-terms-with-wr-terrelle-pryor/

In 6-4 Terrelle Pryor, Jay Gruden sees a solution to Redskins’ lost receivers

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/07/31/jay-gruden-terrelle-pryor-already-is-one-of-the-top-guys-in-the-league/

Jay Gruden: Terrelle Pryor already is “one of the top guys in the league”

Edited August 8, 2021 by Skinsinparadise

[TheShredder]

6 hours ago, skinny21 said:

I don’t necessarily mind Heinicke staring down receivers if he’s trying to get used to seeing guys run their routes and learning/fine tuning where he needs to put the ball (and where they will be, including vs different leverages/defenses).

Yeah I don't mind him starring down receivers as long as Fitzpatrick is throwing the ball.

[Skinsinparadise]

 

 

 

 

[Skinsinparadise]

 

Special teams is another area of importance; it will factor heavily into deciding the final roster spots at some positions.

 

“I think the thing we got to look at is how many linebackers do you keep?” Rivera said. “Are you keeping six, or are you keeping seven? Then you look at your DBs: Is your fifth safety a specialist only? Is your fifth corner a specialist? You could say the same thing for your fifth and sixth linebackers — are those guys there for special teams? The tight ends will have an impact and running backs as well. Wide receiver — we have some guys with the ability to play gunner, so we’ll have to take a long look at that as well.

“Again, your down-the-line guys have to be guys that, if they’re active, they’re going to give you four phases of special teams.”

 

...A noticeable different in Sunday’s practice: The quarterbacks aired it out. Ryan Fitzpatrick and Taylor Heinicke took multiple deep shots during the padded practice, especially to rookie Dyami Brown, who was known for his speed and downfield catches at North Carolina. Fitzpatrick targeted him on multiple shots down the sideline and also targeted seventh-round draft pick Dax Milne, who was getting more work with the first- and second-team offenses, on a deep ball on the left sideline.

 

“When I got drafted, [Fitzpatrick] was the first one to hit up my phone and start talking about the deep ball, so I kind of knew we were going to get together,” Brown said. “Just hearing from him and knowing what he does — you know, Fitzmagic, there’s a magic trick in there.”

Brown also got time with Heinicke, who threw him a perfect over-the-shoulder pass for a touchdown in team drills.

[Skinsinparadise]

From the Athletic

 

 

[Voice_of_Reason]

1 hour ago, PartyPosse said:

You don't bring in a guy on a one year "prove it" deal for 10 million to just be insurance. 

Bruce did.  

[Always A Commander Never A Captain]

2 hours ago, PartyPosse said:

You don't bring in a guy on a one year "prove it" deal for 10 million to just be insurance. 

 

Conventional wisdom and common sense are not things you associate with the Jay and Bruce era.

[GhostofAlvinWalton]

9 hours ago, Cooleyfan1993 said:

Man, with terry, dyami, and Samuel, this offense could be top 10. 

 

 

[Cooleyfan1993]

7 minutes ago, GhostofAlvinWalton said:

 

Littering picture 

Ok, going to have to explain the significance of that one 

[GhostofAlvinWalton]

3 minutes ago, Cooleyfan1993 said:

Ok, going to have to explain the significance of that one