2022 Comprehensive Draft Thread

[seantaylor=god]

I swear if we draft Olave at 11, because he’s friends with Terry, I’ll pitch a fit. Not Davis level, because I think Olave will be a solid player, but it’s such a massive waste of a high pick. Olave is the kind of guy that is around in every draft from 15 to late first.

 

He doesn’t generate YAC and he doesn’t seem like he will be more than a #2 WR who gets open and catches the ball and then gets tackled. 

Drake London and Wilson both have superior upside and at least project as a WR1, and there would easily be a BPA OT, DE, or CB available at our pick also.
 

Am I taking crazy pills? 

[Redskins 2021]

11 minutes ago, KDawg said:

You’re nuts for that thought.

 

I guess his film doesn’t matter? Smh

Does matter sure. Does a broken ankle matter I thinks so. Does not running the 40 on pro day after canceling it twice probably.

 I dont think he fast I think his speed is questionable. He make alot of catch that are contested. He played in the pac 12 which has not been good in a long time  I don't think in the nfl they will be as easy to make.

 

[seantaylor=god]

1 minute ago, Redskins 2021 said:

…I dont think he fast I think his speed is questionable. He make alot of catch that are contested.

He played in the pac 12 which has not been good in a long time  I don't think in the nfl they will be as easy to make.

 

No 40 today for Drake London. Ok. We already know he’s fast. 21.4 MPH per @RAanalytics is moving. Only 10 WRs ran faster in the NFL last year per @NextGenStats For context: DJ Moore (WR11) was clocked at 21.38
 

contested catches=underthrown balls. He has his man beat in a lot of those clips.

 

He’s a big slot like Michael Thomas.

[KDawg]

2 minutes ago, Redskins 2021 said:

Does matter sure. Does a broken ankle matter I thinks so. Does not running the 40 on pro day after canceling it twice probably.

 I dont think he fast I think his speed is questionable. He make alot of catch that are contested. He played in the pac 12 which has not been good in a long time  I don't think in the nfl they will be as easy to make.

 

How fast do you think is a fair assessment of his speed? 5.0? 4.9? 4.8? 4.7? 4.6?

 

If you think it’s 4.7 or under there is precedence for him to still be among the top receivers.

[Redskins 2021]

Some as the guy from Arkansas probably a little slower. 

Edited April 15, 2022 by Redskins 2021

[KDawg]

3 minutes ago, Redskins 2021 said:

Some as the guy from Arkansas probably a little slower. 

So you think he runs a 4.55-4.6…

 

Where’s the issue?

[757SeanTaylor21]

There's plenty of players that dominate cfb and become trash nfl players. Drake London can become great or he can become trash. A 7th round wr can become great or become trash. Olave does too. I just like Olave more because he creates a lot of separation through route running which is what you need to survive. 

[KDawg]

How fast do you think Chad OchoCinco ran? Jerry Rice? Cris Carter? Keenan Allen? Mike Evans? Anquan Boldin?

[Chump Bailey]

24 minutes ago, seantaylor=god said:

I swear if we draft Olave at 11, because he’s friends with Terry, I’ll pitch a fit. Not Davis level, because I think Olave will be a solid player, but it’s such a massive waste of a high pick. Olave is the kind of guy that is around in every draft from 15 to late first.

 

He doesn’t generate YAC and he doesn’t seem like he will be more than a #2 WR who gets open and catches the ball and then gets tackled. 

Drake London and Wilson both have superior upside and at least project as a WR1, and there would easily be a BPA OT, DE, or CB available at our pick also.
 

Am I taking crazy pills? 

 

Don't think you're crazy but Olave's greatest weakness is blocking and its TBD as to how he will fare against press coverage, something Williams struggles with at times too. I think he and Terry would give defense's fits. I still have no qualms taking him at 11. His skillset as a whole may not check the box in every category, but what he can do is elite level stuff.

 

Michael Thomas ran a 4.58 too for the record. (for the thread in general not you friend)

Edited April 15, 2022 by Chump Bailey

[Redskins 2021]

6 minutes ago, KDawg said:

So you think he runs a 4.55-4.6…

 

Where’s the issue?

 The contested catches are good when you are playing Washington state or U of A. It's alot harder to do that against Dalles cowboys or Philadelphia Eagles. I don't think the way he plays will do as well in nfl. 

 

Edited April 15, 2022 by Redskins 2021

[Skinsinparadise]

 

 

[KDawg]

1 minute ago, Redskins 2021 said:

 The contested catches are good when you are playing Washington state or U of A. It's alot harder to do that against Dalles cowboys or Philadelphia Eagles. I don't think the way he plays will do as well in nfl.

Okay. You’re allowed to think how you want but you keep moving the goal posts when you’re asked questions. I think you’re way off. We’ll find out in the next 2-3 years.

[Redskins 2021]

1 minute ago, KDawg said:

Okay. You’re allowed to think how you want but you keep moving the goal posts when you’re asked questions. I think you’re way off. We’ll find out in the next 2-3 years.

 I have been saying he is to slow that I don't think he is particularly quick from the beginning. 

[KDawg]

1 minute ago, Redskins 2021 said:

 I have been saying he is to slow that I don't think he is particularly quick from the beginning. 

4.55-4.6 is slow? Again… how fast do you think Keenan Allen, Mike Evans, Cris Carter, Jerry Rice, Chad Ocho, Mike Thomas, Anquan Boldin ran?

 

In contrast how fast do you think Henry Ruggs ran? Jalen Raegor?

[Redskins 2021]

1 minute ago, KDawg said:

4.55-4.6 is slow? Again… how fast do you think Keenan Allen, Mike Evans, Cris Carter, Jerry Rice, Chad Ocho, Mike Thomas, Anquan Boldin ran?

 

In contrast how fast do you think Henry Ruggs ran? Jalen Raegor?

 Is it slow? I today NFL I think it is considered slow. The guys you listed up here are more play diffrently then London. Also, some of these Wr are stronger and quicker then London. I don't see that with London. 

[KDawg]

1 minute ago, Redskins 2021 said:

 Is it slow? I today NFL I think it is considered slow. The guys you listed up here are more play diffrently then London. Also, some of these Wr are stronger and quicker then London. I don't see that with London. 

I don’t know what you’re watching if you think Boldin, Allen, Evans, Carter and Rice played that much different stylistically. 
 

I have no doubt that in 2-3 years you’re talking about how good he is.

[Conn]

1 hour ago, Redskins 2021 said:

I agree him not running is big he pushed this workout back twice. The ankle is still bad?Also, I don't think he is fast enough for nfl.

He’s been clocked at over 21 mph in an actual game lol. This is silly. 40 matters when you have questions about someone’s speed, there is no question about London having adequate speed 

[Skinsinparadise]

The big questions: Trades and pick floors

Which team is most likely to trade up in the first round?

 

Reid: The team that seems destined for a move up is the Saints, who just added an extra 2022 first-round pick in a deal with the Eagles, while sending Philadelphia a 2023 first-rounder and a 2024 second-rounder. Whenever a team gives up future early-round capital -- especially weeks before the draft -- that often signals that it is targeting a quarterback.

The Saints could package Nos. 16 and 19 to maneuver higher up the board, and they have the capital to get to No. 5 to leapfrog their NFC South foe Panthers at No. 6. With Jameis Winston and Andy Dalton on the roster, they have a bridge option and could try to groom a young signal-caller behind them, likely Malik Willis (Liberty) or Kenny Pickett (Pitt).

It's widely speculated that the Panthers could be targeting a quarterback, and the Saints could be slowly making their way up, similar to how the Eagles did during the 2016 draft when positioning themselves to trade up to No. 2 to select Carson Wentz.

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What is the pick floor for Derek Stingley Jr., Kayvon Thibodeaux and Kyle Hamilton?

Miller: These three prospects were once thought to be likely go in the top three, but now there are questions about how far each could drop. Here's how I see the realistic pick floors -- the furthest they could fall -- in Round 1:

For Stingley, the LSU cornerback, the Vikings at No. 12 feels like the absolute bottom of his range. The Vikings have had a lot of success drafting LSU players (Justin Jefferson, Danielle Hunter) and have Patrick Peterson there to mentor Stingley.

 

12dMel Kiper Jr., +3 More

I don't see Thibodeaux dropping past the Jets at No. 10. The Oregon edge rusher had a strong pro day performance, and there is still chatter that he could go in the top three, with the Texans as a wild card. The Seahawks (No. 9) are also an option.

 

Hamilton is harder to peg because the Notre Dame safety's positional value and a slower-than-expected 40-yard dash time seem to have cooled his stock. I see the No. 15 and the Eagles as his floor. He's a top-five prospect on my board because of his toughness, physicality and playmaking skills, but not every team will value a safety that high.

Where could chaos happen in Round 1?

We've all seen various mock drafts over the past few weeks predicting the most likely outcome for every pick in Round 1, but those don't always go to plan. We looked at six draft slots that could mix things up. These are unlikely-but-possible scenarios that would drastically affect how the first round plays out.

No. 1: Jacksonville Jaguars

For the first time since 2018 -- when Baker Mayfield was a surprising selection at No. 1 overall -- we have real intrigue at the top of the draft. We think the Jaguars will select pass-rusher Aidan Hutchinson (Michigan), but it's not set in stone, as the Jags have been linked to defensive end Travon Walker (Georgia) and could still consider offensive tackles Ikem Ekwonu (NC State) and Evan Neal (Alabama).

If they take Walker or a lineman, you have to think the Lions would pounce on Hutchinson and keep him in the state. -- Miller

No. 2: Detroit Lions

With so many holes on the roster, this Lions pick is a toss up. Pass-rusher is one of their biggest needs, and going with a quarterback -- they could have their pick of the class here -- could cause some chaos in the top 10.

But what about a cornerback? That's the direction Mel Kiper Jr. went in his latest two-round mock draft, with Ahmad "Sauce" Gardner (Cincinnati) projected to Detroit. The Lions lack high-end front-seven talent, but they could choose to beef up the best part of their defense with Gardner. That would ensure that two of the top edge rushers -- Hutchinson, Walker and Thibodeaux -- are on the board for Houston at No. 3. -- Reid

No. 6: Carolina Panthers

What if Carolina doesn't take a quarterback? An offensive tackle -- maybe Charles Cross (Mississippi State)? -- might make the most sense given the needs and value of the selection, but a trade back and/or a quarterback selection could start a wild domino effect.

The Panthers don't have any picks in Rounds 2 or 3 and could look to slide back a few spots to recoup draft capital while getting into a more comfortable position to select quarterback Kenny Pickett. The problem with trading back? You have to find a team that wants to move up, which isn't always easy. -- Miller

No. 9: Seattle Seahawks

The Seahawks are a team with a unique draft board that is always impossible to predict. They have made a few surprising Round 1 picks recently, with running back Rashaad Penny (2018), defensive end L.J. Collier (2019) and linebacker Jordyn Brooks (2020) leaving many people scratching their head.

With the No. 9 pick and needs at several important positions, there are many different directions they could go. It wouldn't be shocking to see them shy away from the consensus again -- and cause some chaos for the Jets at No. 10. -- Reid

No. 16: New Orleans Saints

The Saints already shook up the draft by trading with the Eagles to move into picks Nos. 16 and 19. As Jordan mentioned above, packaging those picks to move into the top 10 to take a quarterback could change all of Round 1.

If New Orleans keeps its picks, I expect it to take a left tackle and wide receiver. But if the front office views Willis or Pickett as franchise quarterbacks, the Saints have the capital to make a huge move up the board. -- Miller

No. 20: Pittsburgh Steelers

The Steelers are another team to watch in the quarterback race. General manager Kevin Colbert, coach Mike Tomlin and pro scouting coordinator Brandon Hunt have been present at the pro day of each signal-caller over the past month. With Mitch Trubisky on a short-term bridge deal, they have a hole for a long-term answer at quarterback.

Another thing to consider: Pittsburgh owned the No. 20 pick in the 2019 draft -- and traded up 10 spots to take linebacker Devin Bush. The organization has a history of making a move for the guy it wants. If the Steelers don't go quarterback, they could look to add a player in the secondary or bolster the trenches on either side of the ball. -- Reid

News, notes and everything we heard this week

Miller: Talk to people around the league this week and you're destined to hear whispers that the Jaguars could select Georgia defensive end Travon Walker with the No. 1 overall pick. Walker, who turned heads at the combine with a 4.51-second 40-yard-dash at 272 pounds, is being touted as a kind of Aldon Smith-like pass-rusher for Jacksonville general manager Trent Baalke, who drafted Smith in San Francisco.

Are we buying it, though? Two weeks before the draft is when these types of stories come up, and the Jaguars could be trying to drum up interest in trading for the No. 1 pick. Time will tell what the Jaguars do, but it's hard to imagine an embattled general manager going away from the safe pick of Michigan's Aidan Hutchinson.

 

Reid: Speaking to a few NFL scouts now that the pro day frenzy has settled down, Florida cornerback Kaiir Elam is one name repeatedly brought up as a player who was impressive during his workout and could go higher than expected. At 6-foot-2 and 196 pounds, Elam has great technique as a press-man corner and can consistently affect throwing windows.

With the corners expected to come off the board quickly, Elam -- who I have ranked No. 4 at the position -- could be selected as high as the Bills at No. 25.

 

Miller: Keep an eye on Maryland safety Nick Cross early on Day 2. Scouts I've spoken to believe he has the tools to be a surprise top-50 pick after starring at the combine. Cross, at 6-foot and 212 pounds, has the size teams look for at free safety. His 4.34 40 speed doesn't hurt, either. With measurables that excited evaluators, a recheck of Cross' tape moved him way up my big board (No. 51 overall).

 

...Miller: We all expect a lot of trade activity throughout the first several rounds of the draft, and one team to keep an eye on is the Cowboys. Having had a look at their visits list and seeing comments from owner Jerry Jones about being open to trading up from No. 24 overall, it seems likely they could look to mortgage some future draft capital to secure a higher pick.

 

The Cowboys have been heavily linked to wide receivers throughout the pre-draft process and could be targeting a move up to land Garrett Wilson (Ohio State) or Jameson Williams (Alabama).

 

 

...Miller: Mississippi State offensive tackle Charles Cross has been making the rounds on pre-draft visits, and one team has shown a ton of interest, according to sources: the Giants. With pick Nos. 5 and 7 in the first round, they might miss out on top tackles Ikem Ekwonu and Evan Neal, which could put them in prime position to draft the former Bulldog tackle.

One source I spoke to noted the Giants "love" Cross at right tackle, where he has not started a game in college but has spent considerable time working out this offseason.

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2022/insider/story/_/id/33736817/nfl-draft-2022-buzz-notebook-rumors-first-round-chaos-picks-updates-travon-walker-kyle-hamilton-kaiir-elam-drake-jackson

[Skinsinparadise]

Cole is someone I've mentioned as one of my fav late round TEs.  As for Carson, I like him, don't love him.  With Wentz I don't want him unless maybe he falls to the 4th and even then it depends on who else is there. 

 

 

 

[skinsfan93]

Mike Evans ran a 4.5. I think London compares favorably to him and is a potential #1. I don’t know how anyone could not think so too. 

[HoggLife]

1 hour ago, Redskins 2021 said:

Does matter sure. Does a broken ankle matter I thinks so. Does not running the 40 on pro day after canceling it twice probably.

 I dont think he fast I think his speed is questionable. He make alot of catch that are contested. He played in the pac 12 which has not been good in a long time  I don't think in the nfl they will be as easy to make.

 

I just dont see the love for London. For me I have him probably at #7. I like Williams, Wilson, Olave, Watson, Burks and Pierce all over him for sure. 

[Skinsinparadise]

Be interesting for me at least to see where Corral goes

 

 

 

[Die Hard]

1 hour ago, 757SeanTaylor21 said:

There's plenty of players that dominate cfb and become trash nfl players. Drake London can become great or he can become trash. A 7th round wr can become great or become trash. Olave does too. I just like Olave more because he creates a lot of separation through route running which is what you need to survive. 

That’s how I felt about Santana Moss. Not a true #1, but he’s going to contribute regularly (moving the chains or gaining big chunks of yards) and he’s going to have games where he busts open (dominates, signature games).

 

Im not saying stylistically, they’re the same. But if you were to tell me they could add a young Santana Moss to this WR corps right now…..

[FLSkinz83]

David Bell is probably going to slip in to the 4th or 5th round because of his 40 time, but he's a very good WR

[RWJ]

1 hour ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Cole is someone I've mentioned as one of my fav late round TEs.  As for Carson, I like him, don't love him.  With Wentz I don't want him unless maybe he falls to the 4th and even then it depends on who else is there. 

 

 

This I find interesting.  He has the Wentz arm and with his ongoing issue with the leg it's no telling how far he could drop.  He could be there in the 4th, SIP.  I've heard a lot of negative reviews on him about his Pro Day workout etc..  Is he a mold of clay that Zampese can work with and turn him into a QB that plays well?  Possibly but a lot depends on his let.  I hope he doesn't turn into another Paxton Lynch or Ryan Leaf?  Hope not but I've had Cole Turner in my wish list sometime back and I like him as a Day 3 pick.