BBC: China pneumonia outbreak: COVID-19 Global Pandemic

[SoCalSkins]

2 minutes ago, DCSaints_fan said:

 

I'm wondering why some of these doctors who work at hospitals associated with universities didn't just pass on a sample to some of the academics who had access to PCR machines.  

 

They had to follow CDC guidelines. They wanted to control the tests and purposely limited it to a very small population. Complete intentional incompetence to please Trump. The technical testing capability has been there all along. The permission was not.

[Sacks 'n' Stuff]

26 minutes ago, Larry said:

Nor am I going to blame the President

Quiet, you.

[twa]

3 minutes ago, DCSaints_fan said:

 

I'm wondering why some of these doctors who work at hospitals associated with universities didn't just pass on a sample to some of the academics who had access to PCR machines.  

 

because they were not concerned probably.

[Skintime]

2 hours ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said:

Until you realize that some guy tweeting equally crazy **** on the internet has been POTUS for three years.

Amazing that was missed...LOL

[SoCalSkins]

4 minutes ago, twa said:

 

because they were not concerned probably.

Or they wanted to follow the standard of care by following the strict CDC guidelines and not subjecting their patients’ samples to non FDA approved testing.
 

The Trump cover up of the real risk and prevalence in the US. Intentional incompetence. But at least this time the incompetence was intentional. So an improvement...

[bcl05]

19 minutes ago, DCSaints_fan said:

 

I'm wondering why some of these doctors who work at hospitals associated with universities didn't just pass on a sample to some of the academics who had access to PCR machines.  

As a doctor at a major academic center, who has easy access to PCR machines, I assure you that it is far from that simple. 

[tshile]

47 minutes ago, SoCalSkins said:

Trump is worse than they are. No excuse for not mass testing earlier. Bury your head in the sand and pretend it’s okay is unacceptable. Many will die because his CDC refused to test. This is all on him.

 

25 minutes ago, SoCalSkins said:

 

And you see the cost to the markets already and ensuing deaths to come because of that incompetence. No excuse why they did not use the WHO test and allow state labs and university labs to test other than the fact they wanted to keep the markets calm for Trump.
 

He squandered the head start we had. He is completely to blame. Every single death from this point forward from community transmission in the US is on his hands.

 

19 minutes ago, SoCalSkins said:

 

They had to follow CDC guidelines. They wanted to control the tests and purposely limited it to a very small population. Complete intentional incompetence to please Trump. The technical testing capability has been there all along. The permission was not.

do you actually know what you’re talking about, or just blaming trump?

 

asking for a friend

[Dan T.]

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Edited March 2, 2020 by Dan T.

[twa]

5 minutes ago, SoCalSkins said:

Or they wanted to follow the standard of care by following the strict CDC guidelines and not subjecting their patients’ samples to non FDA approved testing.

 

testing with PCR machines is outlawed?.......seems odd they would have them then.

[tshile]

1 minute ago, Dan T. said:

There is now a case at a hospital in Northern Virginia.

Confirmed or suspected?

[SoCalSkins]

2 minutes ago, twa said:

 

testing with PCR machines is outlawed?.......seems odd they would have them then.

The PCR test was approved by the FDA only at CDC labs on February 5th. Emergency approval was given on February 29th for other labs. They could have used the WHO protocol if they chose to even earlier.

 

If a doctor had sent a sample for a PCR test to a non CDC lab before yesterday it would not have been FDA approved and would have been violating CDC guidelines. Those are the facts not conjecture about doctors not wanting to test.

8 minutes ago, tshile said:

 

 

do you actually know what you’re talking about, or just blaming trump?

 

asking for a friend

He is to blame. He owns this. 

[Dan T.]

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Edited March 2, 2020 by Dan T.

[twa]

you seem to be conflating approved test for certified results for CDC use to a ban on tests period socal.

[tshile]

1 minute ago, Dan T. said:

 

I've probably said too much already.

so confirmed. That sucks. 
 

 

[TheGoodBits]

20 minutes ago, Dan T. said:

There is now a case at a hospital in Northern Virginia.

Can’t find that anywhere online. Link? 

[SoCalSkins]

10 minutes ago, twa said:

you seem to be conflating approved test for certified results for CDC use to a ban on tests period socal.

It was not FDA approved prior to yesterday. CDC regulations only permitted testing at the CDC labs before that. It was in effect a ban on test outside of CDC labs. It’s not complicated.

Any physician deviating from that would be deviating from the standard of care. Not something they would do in a potential pandemic scenario.

 

So your conjecture that they could easily send a sample to their buddy with a PCR machine at the university lab if they wanted is fictional and the speculation that they wouldn’t even think about testing is equally flawed.

 

 

Edited March 2, 2020 by SoCalSkins

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[EmirOfShmo]

From above: "NEW: Rhode Island Gov. Gina Raimondo announces that state's first presumptive case of Coronavirus during a press conference. The individual had recently traveled to Italy and had NOT returned to work since coming back, according to the RI Department of Health."

 

So, assuming a direct flight from Italy to Boston & then a drive to RI, this person probably had contact with 240-300 people on the flight (assuming a 787 jet). Plus crew so lets say 300 people total. Probably came into contact with 50-100 people going through customs, baggage claim, etc. in Logan. So now we're talking 400 people. Maybe went shopping upon return to RI. So maybe another 50-100 people. Now we're at 500 people. Now multiply that by the number of people the 500 people came in contact with over the past 2 days (assuming the original flight arrived back home on Friday). Easily 50k people potentially exposed in multiple states just from this 1 person.

 

And now the info that someone in NYC records  it's 1st case? Maybe the RI patient flew through LGA to BOS. The exposed just grew exponentially. 

Edited March 2, 2020 by EmirOfShmo

[SoCalSkins]

6 minutes ago, EmirOfShmo said:

From above: "NEW: Rhode Island Gov. Gina Raimondo announces that state's first presumptive case of Coronavirus during a press conference. The individual had recently traveled to Italy and had NOT returned to work since coming back, according to the RI Department of Health."

 

So, assuming a direct flight from Italy to Boston & then a drive to RI, this person probably had contact with 240-300 people on the flight (assuming a 787 jet). Plus crew so lets say 300 people total. Probably came into contact with 50-100 people going through customs, baggage claim, etc. in Logan. So now we're talking 400 people. Maybe went shopping upon return to RI. So maybe another 50-100 people. Now we're at 500 people. Now multiply that by the number of people the 500 people came in contact with over the past 2 days (assuming the original arrived back home on Friday). Easily 50k people potentially exposed in multiple states just from this 1 person.

 

And now the info that someone in NYC records  it's 1st case? Maybe the RI patient flew through LGA to BOS. The exposed just grew exponentially. 

It’s not as infectious as that and the subsequent people exposed are not instantly exposing others. But yes once it spreads it’s going to hit a tipping point and we are likely way past that point now. 

[EmirOfShmo]

2 minutes ago, SoCalSkins said:

It’s not as infectious as that and the subsequent people exposed are not instantly exposing others. But yes once it spreads it’s going to hit a tipping point and we are likely way past that point now. 

 

Thanks for the clarification. 

[bcl05]

I think some on this thread are missing the point that one cannot simply test for this virus with a sample and a PCR machine.  It is one thing to have a PCR machine, another thing entirely to have proper primers and other reagents specific to this test.  A PCR machine is a tool, not a test itself.  There is a lot more to the test than just the machine.  

 

[PeterMP]

16 minutes ago, bcl05 said:

I think some on this thread are missing the point that one cannot simply test for this virus with a sample and a PCR machine.  It is one thing to have a PCR machine, another thing entirely to have proper primers and other reagents specific to this test.  A PCR machine is a tool, not a test itself.  There is a lot more to the test than just the machine.  

 

 

It isn't just a PCR machine, but an RT-PCR machine, but it isn't like those are exactly rare, and quality control to prevent false positives is an issue.

 

But the primers are in the public domains and have been

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/lab/rt-pcr-panel-primer-probes.html

 

(The page says for research use, but I'm pretty sure they are using the same sequences for diagnostics.)

 

certainly, are easily orderable from any primer company.  Primer quality, again in terms of limiting false positives, might be an issue.

 

But there's also nothing here that seems actually difficult where at least "initial" "screening" couldn't be being done in  much more wide spread manner from what I know.

 

No?

 

(itDNA has a page setup just to order primers:

 

https://www.idtdna.com/pages/landing/coronavirus-research-reagents)

 

so does eurofins (though, I still call them operon

 

https://www.eurofinsgenomics.com/en/general/coronavirus/)

 

Edited March 2, 2020 by PeterMP

[zCommander]

1 hour ago, Dan T. said:

 

I've probably said too much already.

 

1 hour ago, tshile said:

so confirmed. That sucks. 
 

 

 

1 hour ago, skinsfan_1215 said:

Can’t find that anywhere online. Link? 

 

So far the result is negative.

 

https://wset.com/news/local/coronavirus-cases-being-investigated-in-virginia-test-negative

[PCS]