Jump to content
Washington Football Team Logo
Extremeskins
Forum Rules and Guidelines

Is this the most talented yet misused defensive front we've had in years?

Vanguard

By Vanguard
in The Stadium

Recommended Posts

KDawg

KDawg

Posted
Posted
On 11/12/2018 at 3:11 PM, wit33 said:

 

Brown as well? I know he has issues in coverage, but thought he was great laterally in run game. 

 

Foster is a liability all around in my amateur eye (i watch no tape, so just going off my gameday eye).

 

I Need some coaching up. 

 

Incoming hot take:

 

Mason Foster is currently playing better than Zach Brown.

 

I can't believe I just typed that. 

 

Foster is improving in his coverage and getting better at getting downhill.

 

I think Brown is the more talented player. And he's definitely the better guy at sniffing out a play and getting to it. He reads and reacts very well. More athletic, too. But... Foster is playing downhill more often and getting to his coverage responsibilities much better than Brown is at the moment. This is without studying the film hard, so it's just a bird's eye view so take my take for what it is. If I watched the film with a closer eye my opinion may change. 

 

One take I have no qualms about, though, is that if either LB is playing sideline to sideline instead of downhill they play a much worse game.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Koolblue13

Koolblue13

Posted
Posted
Just now, bird_1972 said:

 

Do you think pass rush is something he can improve on or is it the kind of thing you either have or don't have?

Oh hes much better than last year. He can definitely improve. Hes getting bigger, stronger, faster and smarter all the time. Hes not going to be a PR specialist,  but he'll get his. Hes fun to watch too. He doesn't get beat at all. Tough af. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
skinny21

skinny21

Posted
Posted
On 11/12/2018 at 12:12 PM, Warhead36 said:

Foster and Brown are liabilities when it comes to moving laterally.

 

On 11/12/2018 at 2:11 PM, wit33 said:

 

Brown as well? I know he has issues in coverage, but thought he was great laterally in run game. 

 

Foster is a liability all around in my amateur eye (i watch no tape, so just going off my gameday eye).

 

I Need some coaching up. 

Brown is fast, can move sideline to sideline very well... but he’s getting caught up inside.  

On 11/12/2018 at 11:16 PM, Anselmheifer said:

McKinzy ran a 4.85 at the combine at 258 pounds, is 25 years old and hasn't produced anything in the NFL to date. I'd love to be surprised, but I don't think we should expect him to be the speed guy we covet.

 

22 hours ago, Koolblue13 said:

Hes adding something that we haven't had this year and hell be back next year for sure, but I dont think it changes our plans going forward. 

Yeah, I mean McKinzey is just a guy for now, but he looks quicker than our other OLBs.  Haven’t checked his numbers, but he may be a quick-rather-than-fast type.  

18 minutes ago, bird_1972 said:

 

Do you think pass rush is something he can improve on or is it the kind of thing you either have or don't have?

Anderson can improve as a rusher, but I’m not sure how much he can improve his get-off/burst.  He’s in better shape this year though, so I could see some improvement.  

10 minutes ago, KDawg said:

 

Incoming hot take:

 

Mason Foster is currently playing better than Zach Brown.

 

I can't believe I just typed that. 

 

Foster is improving in his coverage and getting better at getting downhill.

 

I think Brown is the more talented player. And he's definitely the better guy at sniffing out a play and getting to it. He reads and reacts very well. More athletic, too. But... Foster is playing downhill more often and getting to his coverage responsibilities much better than Brown is at the moment. This is without studying the film hard, so it's just a bird's eye view so take my take for what it is. If I watched the film with a closer eye my opinion may change. 

 

One take I have no qualms about, though, is that if either LB is playing sideline to sideline instead of downhill they play a much worse game.

Hate to say this about Brown, but I’m not sure how football smart he is.  His instincts seem a bit slow which allows linemen to get to him (which he seems to struggle with as he’s not much of a stack and shed guy).  When he’s shooting gaps or jetting our to the flat, he’s looked quite good.  As I said above, I think he tends to get caught up in the trash on outside runs.  With that said, I’d assume the outside should be the safeties and corners, or our OLBs are losing contain.  

 

Anyway, although Foster is definitely less athletic than Brown, I agree that he’s playing better than Brown ATM.  Seems a headier player.  

Link to comment
Share on other sites
bird_1972

bird_1972

Posted
Posted
1 minute ago, Koolblue13 said:

Oh hes much better than last year. He can definitely improve. Hes getting bigger, stronger, faster and smarter all the time. Hes not going to be a PR specialist,  but he'll get his. Hes fun to watch too. He doesn't get beat at all. Tough af. 

 

I think if that's the case, we can let Preston Smith walk and aim to draft a pass rush/EDGE specialist high in the draft next year. 

 

Anderson can then rotate in for certain packages and then by the time Ryan Kerrigan is ready to hang his cleats up (or if we move on from him in a couple of years), he steps in as starter.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
KDawg

KDawg

Posted
Posted
1 minute ago, skinny21 said:

 

Brown is fast, can move sideline to sideline very well... but he’s getting caught up inside.  

 

Yeah, I mean McKinzey is just a guy for now, but he looks quicker than our other OLBs.  Haven’t checked his numbers, but he may be a quick-rather-than-fast type.  

Anderson can improve as a rusher, but I’m not sure how much he can improve his get-off/burst.  He’s in better shape this year though, so I could see some improvement.  

Hate to say this about Brown, but I’m not sure how football smart he is.  His instincts seem a bit slow which allows linemen to get to him (which he seems to struggle with as he’s not much of a stack and shed guy).  When he’s shooting gaps or jetting our to the flat, he’s looked quite good.  As I said above, I think he tends to get caught up in the trash on outside runs.  With that said, I’d assume the outside should be the safeties and corners, or our OLBs are losing contain.  

 

Anyway, although Foster is definitely less athletic than Brown, I agree that he’s playing better than Brown ATM.  Seems a headier player.  

 

I'm not sure headier is the way to put it. I think Brown diagnoses plays extremely quickly. I don't think he's great at shedding blocks, though. But if he does shed he's almost always in position to make a play. 

 

Gonna have to watch that a bit more closely with him.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Koolblue13

Koolblue13

Posted
Posted
Just now, bird_1972 said:

 

I think if that's the case, we can let Preston Smith walk and aim to draft a pass rush/EDGE specialist high in the draft next year. 

 

Anderson can then rotate in for certain packages and then by the time Ryan Kerrigan is ready to hang his cleats up (or if we move on from him in a couple of years), he steps in as starter.

Yep. Exactly the plan. A 2nd round LBer that needs a year or two to develop behind legit starters. Dont over pay Smith, replace with Anderson and draft another one. Like a competent team.

Just now, KDawg said:

 

Incoming hot take:

 

Mason Foster is currently playing better than Zach Brown.

 

I can't believe I just typed that. 

 

I cant believe you typed that either. What's worse is I agree. Brown has been streaky. When hes on, hes unstoppable. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Koolblue13

Koolblue13

Posted
Posted
Just now, bird_1972 said:

What's your priority list, then?

For first rounder? I'd take one for sure, but I dont think the priority meets value this year. I really want Irv. The Bama TE, but am high one outside speed backer/PRush specialist mainly. Depending how far back we draft, it depends. Could be a great draft to load up on day two picks.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
KDawg

KDawg

Posted
Posted
3 minutes ago, bird_1972 said:

 

Don't forget interior OL! 

 

(not necessarily in the first round, but still a priority)

I'd rather get out from under the Moses contract in round one/develop the future LT. But Interior OL and ILB,  if the value is there, need to be considered as well.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
skinny21

skinny21

Posted
Posted

Given how successful we were in getting sacks last year compared to this year, I find myself wondering what the difference is (can’t be all about Galette).  So I’m thinking some combo of the following:  1) we sold out the run D to focus more on pass pressure, 2) Manusky has tweaked the scheme/responsibilities to focus more on contain for the OLBs, 3) our corners are worse (and/or Manusky is scheming like they are - playing them off more) and so qbs are getting rid of the ball quicker.  

 

So, in terms of what positions to add/address, I’d see what McKinzy offers these last games (although he may be inactive with McPhee suiting up), because we could re-sign McPhee, roll with those 4 and probably not have much of a drop off.  The reason to do that, IMO, is that while I love the idea of adding a rusher, we might need a corner more, we certainly need help at oline, and we could really, really use a weapon in the pass game.  

 

I’d consider TE a pretty high priority as well - we’ve gotten lucky with good health there this year, but Davis is old, Reed is injury prone (and hasn’t quite looked like his old self), Smith really needs a good TE/security blanket, and they often take time to develop.  

 

Semi sidenote, I think SDH is going to be a player for us.  

 

Anyway, BPA with focus on oline, but I’m looking hard at corner, TE, Wr, OLB and a qb to groom.  

Link to comment
Share on other sites
jbird2

jbird2

Posted
Posted
30 minutes ago, skinny21 said:

 

 I’d consider TE a pretty high priority as well - we’ve gotten lucky with good health there this year, but Davis is old, Reed is injury prone (and hasn’t quite looked like his old self), Smith really needs a good TE/security blanket, and they often take time to develop.  

 

 

I'd love to see J Sprinkle get some game time and plays to see what he can do/if he is a quality project.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
skinny21

skinny21

Posted
Posted
5 hours ago, jbird said:

 

I'd love to see J Sprinkle get some game time and plays to see what he can do/if he is a quality project.

Yeah, I think Sprinkle is a fine TE to have, especially if we’re going to be a run oriented team.  He’ll have a place here regardless (whether it’s as a number 2 or 3) going forward.  However, and no offense to him, but I see him with a ceiling of an average, at best, pass catcher.  So I don’t blame you for bringing him up, but he doesn’t fit my calculus of a pass catching weapon that Smith could use in the future.  

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Warhead36

Warhead36

Posted
Posted

Reg. Zack Brown, he's got good straight ahead straight line speed, but has absolutely zero change in direction/lateral quickness. That's why he can blow up plays at the line but when he has to run sideline to sideline we get gashed. Foster is smart and doesn't blow assignments but athletically is very limited.

 

Honestly, we need to go full time 4-3 next year. Allen and Payne at DT. Ion at one DE, Kerrigan at the other, but draft someone to replace him in 2020(if not outright in 2019). Let Smith walk as he's going to probably command too much money. At LB we go Anderson/Foster/Brown but look to upgrade from Brown and Foster with more speed.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
JaxJoe

JaxJoe

Posted
Posted
On 11/14/2018 at 6:16 AM, JSSkinz said:

Anderson has had some good grades over the last 4 or 5 weeks from Cooley, this is the first I've seen from PFF, I'm curious what his snap count was.

I belive Anderson had 22 snaps. Interesting is that Cassanova had 24 snaps. 

 

https://www.hogshaven.com/2018/11/14/18058062/skins-stats-snaps-redskins-buccaneers-defense-st

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Thinking Skins

Thinking Skins

Posted
Posted
On 11/12/2018 at 7:16 PM, Anselmheifer said:

McKinzy ran a 4.85 at the combine at 258 pounds, is 25 years old and hasn't produced anything in the NFL to date. I'd love to be surprised, but I don't think we should expect him to be the speed guy we covet.

 

According to ESPM he's been timed at 4.65 as well though

 

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/player/combine/_/id/110603/cassanova-mckinzy

Link to comment
Share on other sites
JaxJoe

JaxJoe

Posted
Posted
On 11/14/2018 at 7:08 PM, Warhead36 said:

At LB we go Anderson/Foster/Brown but look to upgrade from Brown and Foster with more speed.

Nick Saban thought Anderson would move to the inside when he was drafted. I agree. But in a 4-3, which of the three LB should play Mike?  It has to be a true downhill thumper; maybe that’s Foster. Trouble is, Brown has not covered as well so I think he could be weakside. That leaves Anderson at Sam. Or, I’d have Anderson in the middle, Brown at weak to use his speed, and Foster at strong to take on TE’s. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

Go to topic listing

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
×
×
  • Create New...