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nonniey Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 17 minutes ago, visionary said: How has Klobucher done with minorities so far compared to Pete? Also it would be hard to convince Pete to drop out when he's somewhat tied for first in the Iowa and NH and leads in delegates. I'm curious to see some new polls in other states to see how they match up vs Sanders now. Bloomberg and Biden complicate things maybe. 1) Not sure first real indications will be South Carolina. That said Buttigeig's problem, to put it bluntly, with the black electorate is homophobia (it is what it is). 2) Which is why it is a problem for Amy (and if 2016 is any indication a fatal one for her campaign - Sanders is this years Trump). 3) Bloomberg is a wild card but he can't be too happy with Klobucher's sudden viability. He was hoping Biden would crash and he would be the centrist replacement, unfortunately for him Amy's rise puts that in jeopardy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bearrock Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 I hate Bernie Bros.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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88Comrade2000 Posted February 12, 2020 Author Share Posted February 12, 2020 Where we go from here: Sanders- benefits the longer the non-Sanders field has many candidates. He has the money, so he can go all the way. He's the favorite at the moment for the nomination. Klobuchar- tonight is probably the highlight of her campaign. She needs to raise money to be able to compete on Super Tuesday. She also has the little support with black voters. Buttigieg- doing well but where does he go now. He needs to get the minority vote or his campaign won't last long. Warren- she will stay until Super Tuesday but she's unlikely to do well. She will drop out by 3/4 if not sooner if the $$$$$$ dry up. Biden- Everything is on SC but even if he wins there, he's has little money and doubtful he will raise much money. If he doesn't win SC, he has no choice but to drop out then. Bloomberg- who doesn't enter the race until 3/3 looms large. He's been free to poor his millions in adds and it's working. He also has half of the older black vote already and probably gets the rest of that, once Biden is done. Everything points to a Sanders vs Bloomberg race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 1 minute ago, bearrock said: I hate Bernie Bros.... i'm immediately suspicious anyone who cultivates that type of following Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooked Crack Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, Rdskns2000 said: Everything points to a Sanders vs Bloomberg race. What a terrible timeline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 7 minutes ago, Hersh said: I think this speaks to the problem of starting with two very white states for a Senator from a very white state. She really should've spend more time in SC and Nevada reaching out. But South Carolina, and pretty much the entire south other than florida, is bright red in presidential elections. Seems a bit absurd to give those states too much power in deciding the democratic candidate. Nevada will be interesting though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted February 12, 2020 Author Share Posted February 12, 2020 10 minutes ago, Hersh said: I think this speaks to the problem of starting with two very white states for a Senator from a very white state. She really should've spend more time in SC and Nevada reaching out. That's never changing. It's written in Iowa and New Hampshire law that they go first. To blunt the that, the only thing that can be done is schedule other primaries not to far from NH/IA. For example, this year should've been like this: IA- 2/3 NH- 2/6 MI- 2/10 FL- 2/13 NV- 2/22 AZ- 2/25 SC- 2/29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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nonniey Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, Rdskns2000 said: Where we go from here: Sanders- benefits the longer the non-Sanders field has many candidates. He has the money, so he can go all the way. He's the favorite at the moment for the nomination. Klobuchar- tonight is probably the highlight of her campaign. She needs to raise money to be able to compete on Super Tuesday. She also has the little support with black voters. Buttigieg- doing well but where does he go now. He needs to get the minority vote or his campaign won't last long. Warren- she will stay until Super Tuesday but she's unlikely to do well. She will drop out by 3/4 if not sooner if the $$$$$$ dry up. Biden- Everything is on SC but even if he wins there, he's has little money and doubtful he will raise much money. If he doesn't win SC, he has no choice but to drop out then. Bloomberg- who doesn't enter the race until 3/3 looms large. He's been free to poor his millions in adds and it's working. He also has half of the older black vote already and probably gets the rest of that, once Biden is done. Everything points to a Sanders vs Bloomberg race. Nah I think it is a Sanders vs Buttigeig, Klobucher and Bloomberg race now and that favors Sanders (as you said above). If Biden crashes out which seems likely, his black support will migrate to both Klobucher and Bloomberg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 37 minutes ago, Rdskns2000 said: Noone. Not Bernie. Not Amy. Not Pete. Not Michael Bloomberg. Trump has nothing to worry about. You are a ****ing downer man. Geez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 9 minutes ago, StillUnknown said: i'm immediately suspicious anyone who cultivates that type of following That’s fairly standard for socialists in my experience from South American politics. Americans don’t have much experience with them so I’m not surprised people here imagine Bernie himself is somehow responsible for Bernie Bros. To me it just looks like socialist being socialists. To them coalitions are only useful so long as it gets them into power. They’re not big on loyalty when it goes the other way and someone that isn’t a socialist ends up on top of the coalition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted February 12, 2020 Author Share Posted February 12, 2020 13 minutes ago, nonniey said: 1) Not sure first real indications will be South Carolina. That said Buttigeig's problem, to put it bluntly, with the black electorate is homophobia (it is what it is). 2) Which is why it is a problem for Amy (and if 2016 is any indication a fatal one for her campaign - Sanders is this years Trump). 3) Bloomberg is a wild card but he can't be too happy with Klobucher's sudden viability. He was hoping Biden would crash and he would be the centrist replacement, unfortunately for him Amy's rise puts that in jeopardy. Not really. What rise. Amy has to scramble now to not only compete in NV & SC but for the Super Tuesday states. Bloomberg already has half of the older black vote- don't know why but he apparently does. The older black vote is going to him and not Amy or Pete once Joe crashes for good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Waterworld? That's the take? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted February 12, 2020 Author Share Posted February 12, 2020 9 minutes ago, Cooked Crack said: What a terrible timeline. Well, unless Pete and/or Amy get significant latino/black support; how far are their candidacies will go? Especially, when the billionaire with significant black supports becomes their competition and he's already off to a head start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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88Comrade2000 Posted February 12, 2020 Author Share Posted February 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, Momma There Goes That Man said: You are a ****ing downer man. Geez I hope I am wrong but I don't see anyone flipping those states that they will need to win the EC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Momma There Goes That Man Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, Rdskns2000 said: I hope I am wrong but I don't see anyone flipping those states that they will need to win the EC. I don’t see how several don’t flip. Nobody was inspired or excited about Hilary and she only lost by a hair. Any candidate would have to encourage more excitement than she did one would think. Additionally trump is bleeding voters in the suburbs and has been since his election without really growing his base considering his poll numbers. People that thought they’d give him a chance last time have seen what he is about now even more so than in 2016. that matters. There are a lot of things in the Dems favor. Trump has the economy and that we know he will be cheating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted February 12, 2020 Author Share Posted February 12, 2020 If Bloomberg becomes eligible for next weeks Nevada debate, will he participate? Sanders is the heavy favorite right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonniey Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 8 minutes ago, Rdskns2000 said: Not really. What rise. Amy has to scramble now to not only compete in NV & SC but for the Super Tuesday states. Bloomberg already has half of the older black vote- don't know why but he apparently does. The older black vote is going to him and not Amy or Pete once Joe crashes for good. Well if Biden does well in South Carolina it will be because of the black vote and that would keep him in the election for a while. If he doesn't do well it is because the black vote abandoned him and in South Carolina where would that vote go? Unfortunately, either event works for Sanders at this point - Biden survives South Carolina or Klobucher is boosted yet again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted February 12, 2020 Author Share Posted February 12, 2020 Joe Biden would show selfless patriotism by quitting the 2020 Democratic nomination race My dream Dem ticket would be Amy-Pete or Pete-Amy. Neither is happening but it is a dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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