Nazis showing up at places uninvited.

[visionary]

5 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said:

Oh I get it isn't the same.  But how many of Americans that don't spend time on political forums actually know this?

 

I could actually see a bunch of neo-nazis voting for Bernie because he is a socialist.  That's what I meant by interesting.

Ah, interesting thought.  Actually, just checking the history and it seems like the original label National Socialist was used to attract voters away from left parties in Germany.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

Quote

The term "National Socialism" arose out of attempts to create a nationalist redefinition of "socialism", as an alternative to both international socialism and free market capitalism. Nazism rejected the Marxist concept of class conflict, opposed cosmopolitan internationalism, and sought to convince all parts of the new German society to subordinate their personal interests to the "common good", accepting political interests as the main priority of economic organization.[4]

 

The Nazi Party's precursor, the Pan-German nationalist and antisemitic German Workers' Party, was founded on 5 January 1919. By the early 1920s the party was renamed the National Socialist German Workers' Party – to attract workers away from left-wing parties such as the Social Democrats (SPD) and the Communists (KPD) – and Adolf Hitler assumed control of the organization.

 

Edited March 11, 2019 by visionary

[Cooked Crack]

 

 

 

[dfitzo53]

1 hour ago, visionary said:

Ah, interesting thought.  Actually, just checking the history and it seems like the original label National Socialist was used to attract voters away from left parties in Germany.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

 

The Nazi PR machine was very carefully thought out. When they were trying to recruit in conservative neighborhoods, they would abbreviate Socialist and Worker and emphasize National and German on posters. They would do the opposite in leftist areas. 

 

They even tailored the speakers at gatherings to suit the kind of crowd they expected to show up. 

[visionary]

 

[DogofWar1]

 

Couple threads this could maybe fit in but here seems most appropriate.

 

Zina maybe still gets a pass but at this stage NO ONE should be given a pass for that symbol.  It has been fully adopted by white nationalists and is being used by them for messaging purposes.

[visionary]

 

 

 

 

[visionary]

 

[Mr. Sinister]

So... cops, servicemen,  politicians, teachers....

 

We missing anyone else?

[Llevron]

57 minutes ago, Mr. Sinister said:

So... cops, servicemen,  politicians, teachers....

 

We missing anyone else?

 

Religious officials? We caught one of them saying God hates edit yet? 

 

woah the uh....bad word filter is not working on that one. My b. totally expected that to be filtered. 

Edited March 18, 2019 by Llevron

[crabbypatty]

On 8/12/2017 at 11:12 AM, AsburySkinsFan said:

Those anti-protestors did better than I would have. When it comes to racism I can rarely control my mouth. 

 

Make no mistake, this IS Trump's base. And IF the GOP had any desire to distance themselves from these reprehensible people then they've done a lousy job of showing it.

Don't you EVEN try to tie me to this bull****.

That's a load of crap.

It's ok to say stuff like the bolded, but not things like the 9/11 terrorists are ALL of islam

Blm people that trash cities ARE obama's base

etc etc

 

You can't say not all muslims are terrorists just because some are, just like you can't say all whites are racist because SOME are.

I'm not white and I am Trump's base. There are plenty of good law abiding people who, believe it or not have different political views other than "left".

But leftists and the msm just LOVE to paint every conservative with that broad brush (white and non whites) as "racist hatemongers", but go up in flames if anyone uses that same brush to describe blacks, muslims, hispanics, etc.

 

You can't have it both ways and call every conservative a racist hatemonger, yet get all angry when others do the same to your political leaning.

Edited March 18, 2019 by crabbypatty

[superozman]

On 3/16/2019 at 11:36 AM, DogofWar1 said:

 

Couple threads this could maybe fit in but here seems most appropriate.

 

Zina maybe still gets a pass but at this stage NO ONE should be given a pass for that symbol.  It has been fully adopted by white nationalists and is being used by them for messaging purposes.

 

(My response comes off in a contesting manner, my bad.  I prefer dialogue - trying to soften the tone)

 

Could you expand on "Maybe gets a pass"?  I bumped into this when i saw the fake crap being spread on the Covington kids, and thats when I learned this was supposedly a "white power symbol", however, is this tweeter this irresponsible to bring this back up after it's been vetted?  Completely irresponsible, in my opinion.

 

As far as the notion as "No one should be given a pass", curious, is it ok to do it when i say OK, hit a 3 in a pickup basketball game, or tell someone when i'm ordering i want 3 of something?  Reason being its still a gesture that is used, and we shouldn't be jumping down people's throats when there is an image.

Edited March 18, 2019 by superozman

[nonniey]

15 hours ago, visionary said:

NEW from @HuffPost: Seven active-duty members of the U.S. military have been identified as part of the white nationalist group Identity Evropa https://www.huffpost.com/entry/white-nationalists-military-identity-evropa_n_5c8ab70ae4b0d7f6b0f1094b …

That really isn't news.  Soldiers are chaptered out every year for being active members of hate groups. Been going on for years. I kicked a soldier out in the 1990s for being an active member of a hate group. 

[Captain Wiggles]

22 minutes ago, crabbypatty said:

There are plenty of good law abiding people who, believe it or not have different political views other than "left".

But leftists and the msm just LOVE to paint every conservative with that broad brush (white and non whites) as "racist hatemongers", but go up in flames if anyone uses that same brush to describe blacks, muslims, hispanics, etc.

 

 

 

And what is it that conservative media does exactly? Certainly they have never painted any group with a "broad brush". Just curious if you have similiar issues with how they operate.

 

Fact is one part of the voting populus gets their news and information from legitimate journalism. The other from a propaganda machine. 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/a-new-book-details-the-damage-done-by-the-right-wing-media-in-2016/amp

 

 

 

 

[TradeTheBeal!]

“Conservatives” and the Trump-dominated GOP are two very different things.  (Personal anecdote sighting)

 

White Nationalist organizations infiltrating our armed forces is certainly news. (Personal Anecdote part 2!!)

 

Obama’s tan suit is a better example of a story that’s “not news”.  Or stuff about AOC’s dancing/boyfriend...

Edited March 18, 2019 by TryTheBeal!

[youngestson]

4 hours ago, Mr. Sinister said:

So... cops, servicemen,  politicians, teachers....

 

We missing anyone else?

Sadly, a fairly diverse slice of American life. 

 

There have always been at least some element of less than desirable types in the military. And politicians, and teachers, and businessmen, and hospital employees...  

Edited March 18, 2019 by youngestson

[nonniey]

1 hour ago, TryTheBeal! said:

“Conservatives” and the Trump-dominated GOP are two very different things.  (Personal anecdote sighting)

 

White Nationalist organizations infiltrating our armed forces is certainly news. (Personal Anecdote part 2!!)

 

.......

Did you mean to say not news in line 2 (Going off the theme in line 1)?  BTW - who said it was a White Nationalist that I kicked out? If one is an active member (in the Army at least) of a hate group (an Army identified group) policy is to chapter out. This policy has been in place at least since the 1990s. So why have that policy if it was something that hadn't happened?  Fairly certain a handful have been kicked out every year since the policy has been in place. Like I said not news. 

[TradeTheBeal!]

7 minutes ago, nonniey said:

Did you mean to say not news in line 2 (Going off the theme in line 1)?  BTW - who said it was a White Nationalist that I kicked out? If one is an active member (in the Army at least) of a hate group (an Army identified group) policy is to chapter out. This policy has been in place at least since the 1990s. So why have that policy if it was something that hadn't happened?  Fairly certain a handful have been kicked out every year since the policy has been in place. Like I said not news. 

 

Looks like news to me, Sarge.

 

https://taskandpurpose.com/military-white-nationlist-groups-charlottesville

 

https://taskandpurpose.com/white-nationalism-troops-iraq-afghanistan

 

[visionary]

2 hours ago, crabbypatty said:

That's a load of crap.

It's ok to say stuff like the bolded, but not things like the 9/11 terrorists are ALL of islam

Blm people that trash cities ARE obama's base

etc etc

 

You can't say not all muslims are terrorists just because some are, just like you can't say all whites are racist because SOME are.

I'm not white and I am Trump's base. There are plenty of good law abiding people who, believe it or not have different political views other than "left".

But leftists and the msm just LOVE to paint every conservative with that broad brush (white and non whites) as "racist hatemongers", but go up in flames if anyone uses that same brush to describe blacks, muslims, hispanics, etc.

 

You can't have it both ways and call every conservative a racist hatemonger, yet get all angry when others do the same to your political leaning.

No one is saying all whites or all conservatives are racist. Even all Trump supporters are probably not racist, though they do support knowingly or unknowingly a racist leader, racist policies, and racist surrogates and allies of Trump. 

 

That said, I think Trump supporters generally fall into a few categories.  Sometimes the categories overlap.  

 

-Racist.

-Crazy

-Uninformed/narrowly informed/in denial

 

-Evil or uncaring: people who know what they support and either don’t care because they personally benefit from the corruption or take pleasure in the pain Trump’s words/actions and policies bring, or don’t care because they think they aren’t being harmed and don’t mind that others are)

 

-Prioritizers: people who have one or two issues where they agree with Trump that they think are so important that they can suffer through the rest of his policies, though they may hate Trump and much of what he does.

Edited March 18, 2019 by visionary

[nonniey]

5 minutes ago, TryTheBeal! said:

 

Looks like news to me, Sarge.

 

https://taskandpurpose.com/military-white-nationlist-groups-charlottesville

 

https://taskandpurpose.com/white-nationalism-troops-iraq-afghanistan

 

Point being it not something new. A minor recurring issue the Military has been dealing with for years.

FYI- Sergeants don't chapter people out. (Assume you think I'm that poster from far in the past).

Edited March 18, 2019 by nonniey

[TradeTheBeal!]

5 minutes ago, nonniey said:

Point being it not something new. A minor recurring issue the Military has been dealing with for years.

FYI- Sergeants don't chapter people out. (Assume you think I'm that poster from far in the past).

 

The 7 were identified as a direct result of participation in the UniteTheRight rally in Charlottesville...which is something relatively new.  Also, this is the UniteTheRight thread.

 

Therefore, it’s news.  

Edited March 18, 2019 by TryTheBeal!

[grego]

1 hour ago, clietas said:

 

 

Fact is one part of the voting populus gets their news and information from legitimate journalism. The other from a propaganda machine. 

 

 

 

this is precisely what fox news viewers say. 

 

our divided news consumption is one of the biggest problems today, imo. 

[TradeTheBeal!]

2 minutes ago, grego said:

 

this is precisely what fox news viewers say. 

 

our divided news consumption is one of the biggest problems today, imo. 

 

Actually, this ^^^^ is precisely what Fox News viewers say.

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_balance

[grego]

2 minutes ago, TryTheBeal! said:

 

Actually, this ^^^^ is precisely what Fox News viewers say.

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_balance

 

I don't watch fox News. 

 

The problem is that different networks are covering different stories much of the time, resulting in viewers getting two versions of what's going on in the world. Which results in distrust, etc. 

[TradeTheBeal!]

2 minutes ago, grego said:

 

I don't watch fox News. 

 

 

Neither does, @clietas.

 

But here we are...

[crabbypatty]

39 minutes ago, visionary said:

No one is saying all whites or all conservatives are racist. Even all Trump supporters are probably not racist, though they do support knowingly or unknowingly a racist leader, racist policies, and racist surrogates and allies of Trump. 

 

That said, I think Trump supporters generally fall into a few categories.  Sometimes the categories overlap.  

 

-Racist.

-Crazy

-Uninformed/narrowly informed/in denial

 

-Evil or uncaring: people who know what they support and either don’t care because they personally benefit from the corruption or take pleasure in the pain Trump’s words/actions and policies bring, or don’t care because they think they aren’t being harmed and don’t mind that others are)

 

-Prioritizers: people who have one or two issues where they agree with Trump that they think are so important that they can suffer through the rest of his policies, though they may hate Trump and much of what he does.

That's awfully generalized. The old uninformed narrative seems to be one of the main talking points of the "enlightened" I guess it makes it easier to claim the moral high ground while simultaneously and openly displaying the qualities they profess to hate, but it's ok because it's socially acceptable to the left.

As for the corruption issue, what specifically is PROVEN corrupt about him winning the election?

It's awfully hypocritical to talk about corruption when nothing exists, while at the same time ignoring the massive corruption during the obama years.

There's this ghostly Mueller report, and there have been tons of documents unearthed via FOIA requests tying the russia dossier (which started this whole thing) to McCain, the DNC, Page, Steele, Strzok, etc.

Do we just ignore all that and stick to the muh russia narrative that the media has been pushing for 2 years now, just because orange man bad?

I find it amazing that after 2 years of "investigating" there has been nothing directly linking him to any sort of crime whatsoever. Just a bunch of wailing and gnashing of teeth, but nothing substantial.

Yes, some trump underlings have been caught up in process crimes or tax crimes, but those have nothing to do with russia or really even Trump himself, other than guilty by association with the evil orange man.

Do you honestly think that if Trump wasn't president, and hadn't pissed off so many people we'd be reading about Cohen, Manafort, Flynn, etc?

I seriously doubt it.