NYDN: Passenger Dragged off of Overbooked United Airlines Plane

[DM72]

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[ixcuincle]

1 hour ago, clietas said:

 

Why? Because he's just some poor guy doing his job?

 

So beating some innocent people up is doing your job? 

 

I don't know about you but there would be more humane ways to do that and I think as corporations we lost that kind of human touch. That guy was dragged out beat up out of the plane. He should have been filmed. The video should have gone viral. Because the way the police handled the situation was wrong. 

 

I was discussing this on Reddit and someone who works with the airlines told me that the cops aren't United employees. So that's fair. But security and police know better than to drag this guy out like that. They're hired goons. That's all they are. All they have been taught is violence. It's like that cop who forced that girl out of the chair. That went viral too. He just flipped her out of the chair and dragged her out of the classroom by her hair. We're human beings. We're not animals. We have morals and ethics. What's to say they couldn't have asked the man to leave politely? Why did there have to be force? He doesn't have a weapon, he's not armed. He thinks it's okay to hold up the plane ride, then the other passengers are going to get upset, maybe he changes his mind. But the way you have it now, the whole police seem like awful goons beating up people indiscriminate. 

[twa]

1 hour ago, ixcuincle said:

 

So beating some innocent people up is doing your job? 

 

He was not innocent in this....probably could have been manhandled better(and most certainly managed better beforehand)

 

 

[ixcuincle]

Just now, twa said:

 

He was not innocent in this....probably could have been manhandled better(and most certainly managed better beforehand)

 

 

At least you admit that there's another option other than brute force. Do you know who resort to brute force? Bullies. Do you want a bully as a security guard for a non-life threatening situation? Just using his force and his fists to get his way? We're adults. We ****ing TALK to people. 

 

GET OUT OF YO SEAT YOU ****ER. GET OUT. TAZE HIM. TAZE HIM. DRAG HIM OUT. 

 

He is a human being! He deserves to be treated with dignity and respect!! 

[twa]

1 hour ago, ixcuincle said:

At least you admit that there's another option other than brute force. Do you know who resort to brute force? Bullies. Do you want a bully as a security guard for a non-life threatening situation? Just using his force and his fists to get his way? We're adults. We ****ing TALK to people. 

 

GET OUT OF YO SEAT YOU ****ER. GET OUT. TAZE HIM. TAZE HIM. DRAG HIM OUT. 

 

He is a human being! He deserves to be treated with dignity and respect!! 

 

If those options don't work brute force does.

He was ASKED repeatedly, non-compliance has a price....especially for adults since they should know better.

[TheGreatBuzz]

10 minutes ago, ixcuincle said:

 

So beating some innocent people up is doing your job? 

 

I don't know about you but there would be more humane ways to do that and I think as corporations we lost that kind of human touch. That guy was dragged out beat up out of the plane. He should have been filmed. The video should have gone viral. Because the way the police handled the situation was wrong. 

 

I was discussing this on Reddit and someone who works with the airlines told me that the cops aren't United employees. So that's fair. But security and police know better than to drag this guy out like that. They're hired goons. That's all they are. All they have been taught is violence. It's like that cop who forced that girl out of the chair. That went viral too. He just flipped her out of the chair and dragged her out of the classroom by her hair. We're human beings. We're not animals. We have morals and ethics. What's to say they couldn't have asked the man to leave politely? Why did there have to be force? He doesn't have a weapon, he's not armed. He thinks it's okay to hold up the plane ride, then the other passengers are going to get upset, maybe he changes his mind. But the way you have it now, the whole police seem like awful goons beating up people indiscriminate. 

From what I read, the crew asked him to leave.  Then airline staff cam and asked him to leave.  They then told him to leave.  Then the police came and told him he much leave.  Then told him if he didn't, he would be forcefully removed.  Then the video happened.  

 

Does that change your opinion?  How many times can a person be directed to do something which they were lawfully allowed to direct him to do (though if they should be allowed to do that is another discussion) before force is justified?

[ixcuincle]

Ah so we have the whole "video was recorded after he was warned so you don't get the full side of the story" excuse. Yeah, even though an airlines expert on CBS News said there was no way that should have happened and they should have raised the offer. I don't understand how another human being thinks it's alright to drag someone across the floor like that as if they were inhumane. Show some ****ing respect man. 

 

I've seen a lot of crap in my day, I saw a woman get forcibly evicted from a Verizon Center seat by security, and she was never dragged on the ground. Because we don't do that as a civilized society. And if you want to do that, sure, but be aware that people are filming with their cameras. Think twice before you start acting like a big man. Yeah big man see if you can drag someone by the hair like that and get away with it. 

 

There are MULTIPLE instances of people just behaving like animals without manners and getting suspended. That "cop" is right to be put on administrative leave. He needs to be fired too. United is taking a TERRIBLE hit as they should. In this age of video cameras and social media, how are you that stupid to put your reputation at risk like that? That man should be fired, he should be ostracized from society...like that cop that dragged that female student out of her chair. He claimed "she kicked him", he said "he warned her multiple times" well what right do you have to drag someone like that? He got fired two days later. Now he said he was "suing" the department, yeah you were just "doing your job" you ****ing bully. Nobody believes you. 

 

Maybe it's just this modern age where you can't throw your weight around and give tough love like you used to. But in this millennials eyes, any kind of reasoning and diplomacy took hold LONG ago over barbaric violence and brute force. Yeah, he doesn't want to leave. So what. Force him out of his seat and shove him out of the plane. No need to bloody him up and drag him like he's an ANIMAL. 

[TheGreatBuzz]

I'm sorry but I doubt the police did that without once telling him to leave first.  And once he disobeyed that they removed him by force.  Now someone in that small of a space getting bloody when removed by force isn't surprising.  And it appears he went limp so how else would they get him off other than dragging him?  

 

Don't get me wrong I think United screwed this up and should pay a price but once the police got there, he should have followed instructions.  I disagree with the law they were enfoecing but doesnt change the fact they were enforcing the law and he refused to comply.

[ixcuincle]

And they can use brutal force all they want but that ****'s getting filmed. And it SHOULD Be filmed. YOu treat another human being like trash, you deserve to be fired. I hope that cop rots in unemployment, his reputation ruined as he struggles to sue the Chicago DoA for firing him after this whole PR disaster goes down. These people are old school man. They didn't grow up with cell phone cameras and ****. They just beat people up like they was on the playground. 

 

I am aware I'm showing my age here but it's 2017 and that kind of goon behavior doesn't belong in society anymore. You could have easily escorted him out. He'd still be making a scene, he thinks he's correct, he might be stubborn, but you wouldn't have to be dragging a bloodied and beat up man through the aisle while everyone is filming and further embarrassing your organization. 

 

What's even more pathetic is how United's CEO is trying to spin it. "He was an unruly customer. He disobeyed instructions. He deserved to have his ass beat." Yeah okay. I get you talk to him, it doesn't work, you got places to be and he's holding up the plane. Just lift him off his seat and cuff him and walk him off the plane. Problem solved. At that point, if he fought back...the second HE attacks the officer, he deserves what's coming to him. Otherwise he deserves to be treated with respect and human dignity. That's all I'm saying. 

[twa]

When you call in muscle, muscle will be used if not compliant.

They do not give them a briefing in such cases, there is simply a non-compliant passenger that needs removed....that is the job.

[ixcuincle]

Just now, twa said:

When you call in muscle, muscle will be used if not compliant.

They do not give them a briefing in such cases, there is simply a non-compliant passenger that needs removed....that is the job.

Cool it with the old school justice crap. It's 2017 

 

You used to be able to bully and "bad cop" criminals like in NYPD blue during interrogation. Now it's a different time. I still believe that muscle could have lifted him out of his seat, cuffed him, said "Book em Danno" and walked him out. He still makes a scene and the video still gets filmed but there isn't as much outrage and the news doesn't talk about it. Now, because of what they did of their OWN volition, everyone is talking about it, my social media is blowing up with Asians who are furious with United and threatening to boycott, and United is going to take a HEAVY PR hit. All for what? A guy didn't give up his seat? 

 

 

[Hersh]

20 minutes ago, ixcuincle said:

Ah so we have the whole "video was recorded after he was warned so you don't get the full side of the story" excuse. Yeah, even though an airlines expert on CBS News said there was no way that should have happened and they should have raised the offer. I don't understand how another human being thinks it's alright to drag someone across the floor like that as if they were inhumane. Show some ****ing respect man. 

 

I've seen a lot of crap in my day, I saw a woman get forcibly evicted from a Verizon Center seat by security, and she was never dragged on the ground. Because we don't do that as a civilized society. And if you want to do that, sure, but be aware that people are filming with their cameras. Think twice before you start acting like a big man. Yeah big man see if you can drag someone by the hair like that and get away with it. 

 

There are MULTIPLE instances of people just behaving like animals without manners and getting suspended. That "cop" is right to be put on administrative leave. He needs to be fired too. United is taking a TERRIBLE hit as they should. In this age of video cameras and social media, how are you that stupid to put your reputation at risk like that? That man should be fired, he should be ostracized from society...like that cop that dragged that female student out of her chair. He claimed "she kicked him", he said "he warned her multiple times" well what right do you have to drag someone like that? He got fired two days later. Now he said he was "suing" the department, yeah you were just "doing your job" you ****ing bully. Nobody believes you. 

 

Maybe it's just this modern age where you can't throw your weight around and give tough love like you used to. But in this millennials eyes, any kind of reasoning and diplomacy took hold LONG ago over barbaric violence and brute force. Yeah, he doesn't want to leave. So what. Force him out of his seat and shove him out of the plane. No need to bloody him up and drag him like he's an ANIMAL. 

It's not a millennial thing because I agree with you 100%. One thing that seems lost in all this is how all the bans and treatment of minorities over the last few months potentially played a role in the guy not getting out of his seat. 

[twa]

They need to take a PR hit for letting it get to that point....utterly ridiculous.

When you ever remove a non-compliant person in a crowed space I might listen to your opinion on the force needed. 

 

If I put a hand on him he would do anything I request....after he stops screaming.

[TradeTheBeal!]

When the train pulls into Dachau, ya get em out the car any way ya can.

[Captain Wiggles]

1 hour ago, ixcuincle said:

 

So beating some innocent people up is doing your job? 

 

Just another day at the office for a member of the American Schutzstaffel. 

[SkinInsite]

Guess those marchers at Birmingham in 1963 got what was coming to them.

 

hey once the police told you to disperse you gotta obey the law.

[RedskinsMayne]

From what i know, the cops dragged him off the plane, not United (though, at the direction of United). If the cops get involved maybe it's time to give up your seat.... It's kinda crazy to hear on the video everyone shouting how wrong it was, but yet no one stepped up to offer their seat. Must not have been that wrong, eh?  It's also crazy zero people were interested in 800 dollars for a few hours time. Seems like the plane was full of ****s...

2 minutes ago, SkinInsite said:

Guess those marchers at Birmingham in 1963 got what was coming to them.

 

hey once the police told you to disperse you gotta obey the law.

 

 

Not close to the same thing.

[TheGreatBuzz]

9 minutes ago, SkinInsite said:

Guess those marchers at Birmingham in 1963 got what was coming to them.

 

hey once the police told you to disperse you gotta obey the law.

Wow.  You earned the trophy for false equivalency of the year.

[SkinInsite]

So sometimes you don't have to do what the police tells you.

[TradeTheBeal!]

Yeah!  That's a whole plane full of ****es.  Except that group that beat the **** out of a middle-aged doctor...Those dudes are studs.  Heroes even.  

[RedskinsMayne]

5 minutes ago, SkinInsite said:

So sometimes you don't have to do what the police tells you.

 

 

You never have to do what the police tell you to do, but when you don't expect a good beating.  Personally, i don't like getting beat.

[TheGreatBuzz]

Fyi.  Witnesses from plane are on CNN now saying police did everything possible to get the man to leave the plane peacefully.

[twa]

1 hour ago, TryTheBeal! said:

Yeah!  That's a whole plane full of ****es.  Except that group that beat the **** out of a middle-aged doctor...Those dudes are studs.  Heroes even.  

 

I saw no beating, hit his head on a armrest is all.

Just taking out the trash.

[RedskinsMayne]

6 minutes ago, TryTheBeal! said:

Yeah!  That's a whole plane full of ****es.  Except that group that beat the **** out of a middle-aged doctor...Those dudes are studs.  Heroes even.  

 

 

Who is saying that the guys who pulled the guy off the plane are heros. They are doing their job. Not heroic.