The McGlouaeiouandsometimesygghhggain Kool-Aid - No thanks. I'll stick to coffee.

[ThomasRoane]

14 minutes ago, CTskin said:

Funny you say that. Look a bit closer at the 9ers and Seahawks since McClu left. Well, you don't have to look deep into the 9ers to see how they've fared. Now, look at the Seahawks- yes they're in the playoffs again, but not nearly the beast they were when McClu was there. There hasn't been one studly Sherman/Wagner/Thomas/Wilson-type pick since he left three years ago. Jarran Reed and Frank Clark could both be solid, but that D has gotten less and less scary with each year McClu's been gone.

 

Well, they were also a victim of their success.  Free agency drove up the costs for some of their guys.  They lost three players last year on the first day of Free Agency!  We all agree that it generally takes 3 years to see what you've got in a draft.  But you'd at least like your draft picks to contribute enough to help you maintain.  And the Seahawks reclaimed their division this year.  They were able to sustain losses and still managed to win their division.  So, based on the overall results, their GM has performed pretty well. 

[jkam]

31 minutes ago, ThomasRoane said:

 

He has run the ball a lot more this year.  See the Chicago game.  Look at the clip I posted.  There was no way he was going to get by #96 if he ran.  The only real option was throw the ball in the dirt at Jordan Reed (best option) or take a sack (bad but not worst option). 

 

To clarify he wasn't the GM at Seattle.  Their GM is a guy Snyder fired.  Scot may have helped but we can't officially give him credit for any of their picks.  And look at Seattle without him.  Still bringing in quality players. 

What quality players has Seattle drafted since Scott left?  Their defense is good but is living off the players drafted a few years back. Their offense is putrid. 

[Wildbunny]

20 minutes ago, 50yrSKINSfan said:

You guys are 100%right, especially you Bunny. "Mostly pick stuff that suits your narrative?"  Bunny, that is how you support your case, with proof.  Go ahead debate it. You have a computer. If you don't want to read about the Sheriff /Wiliams stuff then don't read the threads asking for our opinion of SM. Those 2 guys will forever be joined and it was SM first draft pick. 

As much as I'd like to, we've been covering this point on another thread time and time again. And debating it became pointless when you said that "going to the pro-bowl means nothing regarding Scherff". So now I don't see any reason to pollute a second thread on this topic because you don't want to see the truth regarding the subject.

But if you want to go over it, time and time again because you just can't admit you're wrong, go on. Alone.

I'm done. Where's the ignore button?

[zoony]

1 hour ago, ILikeBilly said:

The Cousins' contract was only a distraction to the people on this board.  It seems it was 100% a non-issue since the day Kirk signed the contract.  If Kirk is truly a top 10 QB, we actually get an extra year out of him by waiting to sign him long term.  If he signed a 5 year deal last year, we would have 4 left.  Once he signs the deal in a month or 4, we will have him for the next 5 seasons. 

 

Yes, our run D was bad, but it was good enough.  The D gave up a first down over 50% of the time when it was 3rd and 6 or more.  That is not a run down. 

If we move from 50+ % to say 33%, we win more games.  We drafted Fuller, signed Norman and tried to fill the cursed safety spot.  GMSM did what was needed.  The problem lies else where (coach, scheme, players...)

 

If our kicker makes 3 more field goals (my choice on which ones) and we win more games.  Kicker was great last year, but had a set back this year.  How could GMSM know?  What could he actually do? 

 

We all know to wait for 3 seasons to judge a draft/unsigned free agent class.  Giving up on Josh, Su'a, Kendall, Matt and the others too soon is likely going to make you look foolish by this time next year.  I expect 3 of those 4 will have major playing time by next year.  All 4 could be starters in year 3. 

 

 

So now we are going to play the "if we had only made that field goal" game.  That always a solid argument

 

And i think you need to read the rest of my posst a little closer if you think im predicting the future success of any player

[ILikeBilly]

10 minutes ago, zoony said:

 

 

So now we are going to play the "if we had only made that field goal" game.  That always a solid argument

 

And i think you need to read the rest of my posst a little closer if you think im predicting the future success of any player

It sounds exactly like you are predicting the (non) success of our recent draft class.  You say:

2016 - historically bad,

Doctson - LOL,

Su'a - Too small/too big,

Fuller - awful,

Loannidis - is he even on the team? 

Preston Smith - just a guy

 

As for playing the "if we had just made the FG game", I am just trying to say, the team is close.  We had a player (the kicker) go backwards in his performance.  If he doesn't, we win more and make the playoffs.  This is not the GM's fault.

[ThomasRoane]

1 hour ago, jkam said:

What quality players has Seattle drafted since Scott left?  Their defense is good but is living off the players drafted a few years back. Their offense is putrid. 

 

I don't really feel like going thru their draft because I really don't care that much.  I will just point to the fact that they won their division and are going to the playoffs.  So, they're doing something right.

[zoony]

1 hour ago, ILikeBilly said:

It sounds exactly like you are predicting the (non) success of our recent draft class.  You say:

2016 - historically bad,

Doctson - LOL,

Su'a - Too small/too big,

Fuller - awful,

Loannidis - is he even on the team? 

Preston Smith - just a guy

 

As for playing the "if we had just made the FG game", I am just trying to say, the team is close.  We had a player (the kicker) go backwards in his performance.  If he doesn't, we win more and make the playoffs.  This is not the GM's fault.

You're more interested in not being wrong than being correct. Nice job there. 

 

Now Lets get get back to your "we are only a few field goals away" point. Haha

[Koolblue13]

3 or 4 of our wins the opposition had over 100 penalty yards and turn overs. What we score the first time in Dallas, 6 points on 4 end zone trips? Yeah, Hopkins could have probably won us a game or two, but acting like missed FGs defined our season is delusional.

[CTskin]

14 hours ago, ThomasRoane said:

 

I don't really feel like going thru their draft because I really don't care that much.  I will just point to the fact that they won their division and are going to the playoffs.  So, they're doing something right.

I think you should enlighten yourself and look at their last three draft classes, takes literally 2 minutes. Yes they made the playoffs again, but their division is trash with no teams over .500. It doesn't take much research to see their stat decline in just about every category over the last 4 years. You're right, at some point you have to re-sign your draft class and you'll lose some players to FA, but if you're not drafting well and replenishing the goods, this is what happens. Their living off the last of the McClu drafts.

[50yrSKINSfan]

Just now, Wildbunny said:

As much as I'd like to, we've been covering this point on another thread time and time again. And debating it became pointless when you said that "going to the pro-bowl means nothing regarding Scherff". So now I don't see any reason to pollute a second thread on this topic because you don't want to see the truth regarding the subject.

But if you want to go over it, time and time again because you just can't admit you're wrong, go on. Alone.

I'm done. Where's the ignore button?

Does anyone even watch the pro bowl anymore? Is it on T V? Do you really care if a guard from our team plays in a meaningless exhibition game that looks like a two hand touch game?

[50yrSKINSfan]

Just now, CTskin said:

I don't think it's fair to say anyone blew by Scherff, the pressure got to Cousins because of coverage. You're not wrong when you say he had no safety valve, but look how much open grass there is in front of him. I guess he'll never change, but is it really too much to ask to go off-script, tuck the ball and run... the defense knows he'll never do it and disregards it as even being an option that they need to defend. 

When the Giant lineman blew past Sherff it was early in the 1st quarter not on the interception play. The guy was not even slowed so KC hit the ground to keep from getting killed. The line was breaking down the whole game and the Giants almost had a safety later on.

[CTskin]

2 minutes ago, 50yrSKINSfan said:

When the Giant lineman blew past Sherff it was early in the 1st quarter not on the interception play. The guy was not even slowed so KC hit the ground to keep from getting killed. The line was breaking down the whole game and the Giants almost had a safety later on.

Gotcha. It's almost like Spags was a mad scientist trying out new recipes for the playoffs. Those blitzes were insane, no one had beaten us like that before. He was given 4 shiny toys last off-season and man does he know how to play them.

[Boss_Hogg]

Not ready to give up on the 16 draft class yet, but it's certainly trending into Vinny Cerrato type waters. 

 

I had no idea Doctson is pushing 25 years old and now I see tweets from skins beat reporters that "hes feeling fine" yet it was both Achilles not just one. Concerning. 

 

I'm willing to be patient with Su'A. Let's see if he can develop into a competent safety. I'm glad he's staying of social media and not publicly face-timing porn stars anymore. 

 

Fuller - yikes, poor guy looked lost out there. But that could be attributed to our lousy defensive coaching staff...who knows?

 

Matt Ioannidis - was on the practice squad most of the season but was called up because we have nothing but stiffs playing the line. 

 

Steven Daniels - have no idea

 

Suds - has a cult following of RGIII twitter tough guys but that's it

 

Keith Marshall - he's fast and injured. 

 

 

[Warhead36]

I don't think Fuller looked as bad as people think. He got beat yes but he was typically a step away. It wasn't like he was getting absolutely roasted like some other DBs we have/had. I think with more time removed from his knee surgery he'll be even better.

 

Cravens has talent and more importantly appears to have very sharp football instincts. But he's another guy that I think won't really shine without a better coach. Not sure Barry is that guy.

 

Again people are trashing this class but the 2014 class took some time too and they appear solid now. Hell even the 2013 class had we held on to Amerson would have looked damn good right now(Amerson, Reed, Thompson).

[maskedsuperstar]

20 hours ago, ThomasRoane said:

 

He has run the ball a lot more this year.  See the Chicago game.  Look at the clip I posted.  There was no way he was going to get by #96 if he ran.  The only real option was throw the ball in the dirt at Jordan Reed (best option) or take a sack (bad but not worst option). 

 

To clarify he wasn't the GM at Seattle.  Their GM is a guy Snyder fired.  Scot may have helped but we can't officially give him credit for any of their picks.  And look at Seattle without him.  Still bringing in quality players. 

Still takes time. And this is what everyone wanted. So............it's what you got!

[TouchdownSkin]

On 1/1/2017 at 8:13 PM, 50yrSKINSfan said:

Great posts zoony but why are you sugar coating them? Tell us what you really feel? Mean time I will go back and watch my 1991 Redskins highlight dvd for the 6700 th time!

 

I'd love to have that DVD.  It's been a very very very long time.  

[50yrSKINSfan]

Just now, CTskin said:

Gotcha. It's almost like Spags was a mad scientist trying out new recipes for the playoffs. Those blitzes were insane, no one had beaten us like that before. He was given 4 shiny toys last off-season and man does he know how to play them.

I know and they are getting better every game. Spags had a bad D last year, worst in the league,  and now he has a championship caliber D. Just goes to show it is not all coaching. The name of the game in the NFL is pressuring the passer. Wish our GM thought of that last year. It will be Interesting to see how Rodgers does against them.

Just now, TouchdownSkin said:

 

I'd love to have that DVD.  It's been a very very very long time.  

Should be able to get it. I have a couple of old DVD's from the Gibbs Redskins.

[ILikeBilly]

19 hours ago, zoony said:

You're more interested in not being wrong than being correct. Nice job there. 

 

Now Lets get get back to your "we are only a few field goals away" point. Haha

I am not worried about being wrong.  Here is how you see the rookies, with my predictions in bold

2016 - historically bad,

Doctson - LOL,   2017 starter by game 1

Su'a - Too small/too big,   2017 starter (likely playing 2 positions, SS, plus ILB on 3rd and long)

Fuller - awful, 2017 starter by mid-season

Loannidis - is he even on the team?  - 2017 starter/rotational starter

Preston Smith - just a guy - 2017, 8+ sacks

 

I have read (GM Charlie C. I think) that if you get 2 starters out of a draft, it is average.  4 would be a great draft.  I am seeing 4 starters from our 2016 draft, plus our RB (undrafted free agent) will be starting.  So, while you complain about GMSM, if we get the starters I am predicting, according to Charley Casserly, it will be a great draft.  Add to that a 7-5 division record over the last 2 years, and you have the makings of a team trending upward. 

[Wildbunny]

2 hours ago, ILikeBilly said:

Doctson - LOL,   2017 starter by game 1

Su'a - Too small/too big,   2017 starter (likely playing 2 positions, SS, plus ILB on 3rd and long)

Fuller - awful, 2017 starter by mid-season

Loannidis - is he even on the team?  - 2017 starter/rotational starter

Preston Smith - just a guy - 2017, 8+ sacks

 

As much as I like Scot, what you're predicting here is not optimism, it's nearly quite blind homerism.

I hate to root against our guys, but if 2 of them ends up as competents starters next year, it'll be a good draft. I'm emphasizing the competent here, because I'm sick of starters that shouldn't be because talent level is low or because of injuries and stuff like that.

[Peregrine]

You are always so negative Zoony.  There must be some bright spot in your life, right?  I say this as I notice your profile pic....

[bobandweave]

On 1/1/2017 at 7:58 PM, Tsailand said:

 

Most people were giddy over the RG3 trade, spouting cliches like "if you see you chance at a franchise QB you have to take it".  Go back and read those threads from 2012.

 

think the Eagles fans still feel this way hahah

 

Good luck Philthydelphia fans you should have learned from us that giving up a crap ton of draft picks for a QB isn't the greatest idea in the world

[ThomasRoane]

On 1/4/2017 at 1:33 PM, maskedsuperstar said:

Still takes time. And this is what everyone wanted. So............it's what you got!

 

Oh, no doubt.  I'm not giving up on him ... yet.  But I'm also not willing to put all my trust in his abilities either.  This is a big year for him.  Whether via the draft or FA Scot needs to hit on at least 4 solid starters.  Not necessarily superstars but they should be dependable week to week. 

[Peregrine]

Lets keep in mind this was essentially our best 2 year stretch since 1993.  Sadly.  Ill gladly drink the koolaid of someone who actually brings wins.  That stuff is delish.

[ILikeBilly]

23 hours ago, Wildbunny said:

 

As much as I like Scot, what you're predicting here is not optimism, it's nearly quite blind homerism.

I hate to root against our guys, but if 2 of them ends up as competents starters next year, it'll be a good draft. I'm emphasizing the competent here, because I'm sick of starters that shouldn't be because talent level is low or because of injuries and stuff like that.

Well, I am no good at finding old quotes on this system.  Hopefully  you can find this one next year and we can have a good laugh if I am right and we have a bunch of 2nd year starters or a crap session if I am wrong and the 2016 draft looks dismal.  Only time will tell.  However, Doctson was highly regard with size, hands and effort.  That has not changes.  Su'a was dynamic in college, had a game clinching INT as a pro and seemed very aware while on the field.  Fuller needs to grow some, but most CBs do if they aren't the top 2-3 in the draft.    Ad for Loannidis, yes, there is some trust in GMSM here.  He is big, strong and with a year in the weight room, I am expecting a steady starter.

[Wildbunny]

13 minutes ago, ILikeBilly said:

Well, I am no good at finding old quotes on this system.  Hopefully  you can find this one next year and we can have a good laugh if I am right and we have a bunch of 2nd year starters or a crap session if I am wrong and the 2016 draft looks dismal.  Only time will tell.  However, Doctson was highly regard with size, hands and effort.  That has not changes.  Su'a was dynamic in college, had a game clinching INT as a pro and seemed very aware while on the field.  Fuller needs to grow some, but most CBs do if they aren't the top 2-3 in the draft.    Ad for Loannidis, yes, there is some trust in GMSM here.  He is big, strong and with a year in the weight room, I am expecting a steady starter.

I would love for you to be right

 

But that's more the statistics that speak to me here more than anything else.