Would you support Hardy as a Redskin?

[RonArtest15]

Who said anything about choir boys?

I just don't want a guy that destroys women.

He shouldn't be in the league, let alone our team.

He's not even a ****ing linebacker.

Who said anything about choir boys?

I just don't want a guy that destroys women.

He shouldn't be in the league, let alone our team.

He's not even a ****ing linebacker.

 

I think you're completely missing the point.  I think the overall consensus is that Hardy is scum.  There is ZERO debate about that.  However, let's not pretend that he's the only guy who played on an NFL roster who did/does dirt off the field. 

 

You can have your stance about why you don't want him on the team due to how he treats women, and that's fine.  However, as we've seen in this league, talent > character. 

[Momma There Goes That Man]

The NFL is not a privilege. It's an extremely well paying job. Is being a high paid CEO a privilege? Is being a movie star or musician a privilege? Even my job, if I screw up but I'm very talented another company is going to take a chance.

Why shouldn't he be in the league? I guess scumbags are only allowed to work at regular joe jobs with the rest of us filth.

[RonArtest15]

The NFL is not a privilege. It's an extremely well paying job. Is being a high paid CEO a privilege? Is being a movie star or musician a privilege? Even my job, if I screw up but I'm very talented another company is going to take a chance.

Why shouldn't he be in the league? I guess scumbags are only allowed to work at regular joe jobs with the rest of us filth.

 

Yup...Ray Rice isn't in the league because he hit his wife.  He's not in the league because he's washed. 

 

Greg Hardy had a job last year because he's still a good player.  I'd honestly be shocked if he's not on an NFL roster at some point this season. 

[Momma There Goes That Man]

See responses in your quote.

I can and do object to it on my own personal moral position too. But i don't root for the Redskins to be swell guys, I root for them to win football games. We can all laugh and feel good about what a disaster the Cowboys in the 90s were but I'd sure as hell take their SB wins in the 90s over the bull**** garbage we were given.

There is no such thing as winning with honor in the NFL. Maybe. He can't help us and that's a separate issue but if he could help us, I dorm care what he's doing off the field. The law and also Goodell will handle that and any other serious matters for players. If they are eligible to play, that's not my concern anymore.

Hardy deserves to be in the NFL as much as anyone else if someone is willing to pay for his talent.

I don't know why you are concerned with Hardy beating and raping your daughter either...

[skins island connection]

I'd rather see the Skins go 8-8 or even 6-10 rather than having him on the team and making the playoffs.

 

Its bad enough that we will have to face the anti-Redskin name crowd again, but to add a player on this team like him, who are bad influences and just a ****ing punk overall, it will turn away even more people and give this team yet another black eye.

 

There are morals and decency in most everyone, but not him. 

[Koolblue13]

So which DE do we cut?

Who fills the still vacant hole?

You guys are standing on the table for this POS and he's not even a ****ing LB.

[MEANDWARF]

Surprise that 18 voters said yes. Oh well!

 

He can go into pro wrestling or fight MMA. But no to football and especially no to the skins.

No, No No!!!!

 

[Koolblue13]

So which DE do we cut?

Who fills the still vacant hole?

You guys are standing on the table for this POS and he's not even a ****ing LB.

[RonArtest15]

So which DE do we cut?

Who fills the still vacant hole?

You guys are standing on the table for this POS and he's not even a ****ing LB.

 

Get out of your feelings, bro.  Who in here is advocating FOR his signing?  I'll wait. 

[goskins10]

I can and do object to it on my own personal moral position too. But i don't root for the Redskins to be swell guys, I root for them to win football games. We can all laugh and feel good about what a disaster the Cowboys in the 90s were but I'd sure as hell take their SB wins in the 90s over the bull**** garbage we were given.

There is no such thing as winning with honor in the NFL. Maybe. He can't help us and that's a separate issue but if he could help us, I dorm care what he's doing off the field. The law and also Goodell will handle that and any other serious matters for players. If they are eligible to play, that's not my concern anymore.

Hardy deserves to be in the NFL as much as anyone else if someone is willing to pay for his talent.

I don't know why you are concerned with Hardy beating and raping your daughter either...

 

 

You are entitled to your opinion. But I would not prefer a SB over signing a piece of garbage like hardy. I don't think he should be allowed to play. The league should ban him. But that's just me - I also have a right to my opinion.

 

As for the bolded - I was addressing your question. Leave the smug crap out of it if you want to have an adult conversation.

[HanburgerBum]

Lossen up and don't put words in my mouth, please. You see the responses in this thread? This is not simply a football decision.

 

Not sure what words you think I put in your mouth--please be specific.

 

Yes, I do see that the majority of responders think Hardy is a scumbag and unfit for the NFL.  But, I think it is naive to think the NFL is full of choir boys.  There are NFL players I deem morally objectionable who I wouldn't want to sit down and have a beer with, but they are on rosters and making millions if they produce.

 

Let's take our own Junior Galette, does anyone think he is a choir boy?  My guess is that most of the people who oppose the signing of Hardy wholeheartedly supported Scot McCloughan's decision to sign Junior.  So, if SM had decided to pursue Hardy because he is worth the risk, why should we as Redskins fans not support SM in that decision?

[pjfootballer]

I'd sign Rice before Hardy. Rice has at least been contrite. Hardy paid his victim off.

No need to cut anyone if Gallette goes on IR. You just sign another player to take his place and not Hardy.

[Momma There Goes That Man]

So which DE do we cut?

Who fills the still vacant hole?

You guys are standing on the table for this POS and he's not even a ****ing LB.

Yu don't have to cut any of them. Rosters don't need to be at 53 for another month or so. Bring him in and see what he can do and how he fits until then. Tho I wouldn't care at all if Reyes( who?) was replaced with Hardy. Hell Murphy isn't giant question mark and Paea's name was heard from once last season. I forget he is even on the team. Maybe you keep an extra DL and let another position short a player. The poor DL that might get cut is the least of the concerns about bringing Hardy in.

I don't know about OLB. I assume Smith takes the place and our wonderful GM has good depth behind them. What OLB do you advocate bringing in that could improve the pass rush as much as Hardy could potentially do from the DL?

As for the bolded - I was addressing your question. Leave the smug crap out of it if you want to have an adult conversation.

It wasn't smug? I stated that we are putting together a team of football players to win games, not marry our daughters so their off the field trouble shouldn't be as big a deal as people are making it out to be.

You responded by saying you wouldn't want Greg Hardy to beat and rape your daughter. So maybe I'm just unclear on what you were getting at

[Koolblue13]

Get out of your feelings, bro. Who in here is advocating FOR his signing? I'll wait.

wait for what? Lol there's a ****ing poll asking about it?

[Renegade7]

Not sure what words you think I put in your mouth--please be specific.

 

Yes, I do see that the majority of responders think Hardy is a scumbag and unfit for the NFL.  But, I think it is naive to think the NFL is full of choir boys.  There are NFL players I deem morally objectionable who I wouldn't want to sit down and have a beer with, but they are on rosters and making millions if they produce.

 

Let's take our own Junior Galette, does anyone think he is a choir boy?  My guess is that most of the people who oppose the signing of Hardy wholeheartedly supported Scot McCloughan's decision to sign Junior.  So, if SM had decided to pursue Hardy because he is worth the risk, why should we as Redskins fans not support SM in that decision?

 

 

These are you exact words I do not agree with:

 

 

 

But, what is troubling about your position is that you seem not to trust Scot McCloughan to do his job.

 

This has nothing to do with "trusting him to do his job".  I voted "yes" because I would not be out their protesting with signs like some fans did with Vick.  I'll go on record saying I'm glad Culliver is gone, and the only reason Junior is here is because Scott whole-heartedly believed he had turned a corner in his life. 

 

That does not mean I have to be happy about it, and if Scott saw in Greg what he saw in Junior, he would be a Redskin.  He's not, and this thread should not go past the third page.  I believe some people can change there lives around (like I have), and some people won't.

 

Anyone can say they've changed their vote to "No" after Scott did, but that was my original vote.  There's no doubt in my mind he felt yes at first, did more research, and changed his vote.

[Koolblue13]

Yu don't have to cut any of them. Rosters don't need to be at 53 for another month or so. Bring him in and see what he can do and how he fits until then. Tho I wouldn't care at all if Reyes( who?) was replaced with Hardy. Hell Murphy isn't giant question mark and Paea's name was heard from once last season. I forget he is even on the team. Maybe you keep an extra DL and let another position short a player. The poor DL that might get cut is the least of the concerns about bringing Hardy in.

I don't know about OLB. I assume Smith takes the place and our wonderful GM has good depth behind them. What OLB do you advocate bringing in that could improve the pass rush as much as Hardy could potentially do from the DL?

Reyes is supposedly killing the DE the last camp and might steal the starting job. Paea was hurt and looked great, now that he's healthy. RJF has a chance to be the starter too.

Murphy is extremely young and will be very good on the line. You don't cut him.

Baker.

At nose, Golston is or nose and anchored one of the leagues best D's on short yardage. It's shocking but true. We also have Hood who exceled in our style of defense.

Ionidias isn't being cut or ps'd.

Now, one of those may already be getting cut. They all had equal or better years than Hardy last year.

Not one of them is a known lockerroom cancer.

Not one beat his girl to a pulp.

The FO immediately dismissed signing him.

So. My question again. Why are you advocating for his signing and who in that group do we cut?

Before you say "it couldn't hurt", we brought in a return specialist WR in that hole. DE and OLB are obviously not a major concern. Other areas could be hurt, so?

[Bacon]

I support anyone that plays for the Redskins.

That being said, I don't think he is a good person, but I believe he deserves a chance to prove he is a good person, good teammate and good player.

 

Got it in the first post.

 

I wouldn't like the signing, but after the fact, I would of course support him. He's OUR scumbag at that point.

[Momma There Goes That Man]

So. My question again. Why are you advocating for his signing and who in that group do we cut?

Before you say "it couldn't hurt", we brought in a return specialist WR in that hole. DE and OLB are obviously not a major concern. Other areas could be hurt, so?

KB we don't have to cut anyone now. That decision won't be made til later, you could bring him in on a vet min deal and see what happens. If he beats out those mostly scrubs on our DL as he should, then great, we've improved, if he doesn't great, our guys improved.

I don't see much risk as this stage when you don't even have to make a choice between him and another player yet

[Conn]

Why is this still being discussed like it's a possibility? You guys are blowing air into a balloon with a hole in it with this conversation.

Momma, disagree with you on this but it's not happening anyways.

KB, you've got just about the strongest and most well-known moral compass on ES. And I mean that as a compliment. But just let him be wrong on this one.

[HanburgerBum]

These are you exact words I do not agree with:

 

 

 

 

This has nothing to do with "trusting him to do his job".  I voted "yes" because I would not be out their protesting with signs like some fans did with Vick.  I'll go on record saying I'm glad Culliver is gone, and the only reason Junior is here is because Scott whole-heartedly believed he had turned a corner in his life. 

 

That does not mean I have to be happy about it, and if Scott saw in Greg what he saw in Junior, he would be a Redskin.  He's not, and this thread should not go past the third page.  I believe some people can change there lives around (like I have), and some people won't.

 

Anyone can say they've changed their vote to "No" after Scott did, but that was my original vote.  There's no doubt in my mind he felt yes at first, did more research, and changed his vote.

 

If I understand you correctly, you do trust McCloughan to do his job.  But, you feel strongly that signing Hardy would be a bad idea.  Fair enough.

 

I didn't vote, because I was not in either the "yes" camp or the "no" camp.  My position is that I would not rule out Hardy because of his off-field baggage.  I would trust McCloughan to make the decision whether Hardy is worth the risk of signing.

[Koolblue13]

Why is this still being discussed like it's a possibility? You guys are blowing air into a balloon with a hole in it with this conversation.

Momma, disagree with you on this but it's not happening anyways.

KB, you've got just about the strongest and most well-known moral compass on ES. And I mean that as a compliment. But just let him be wrong on this one.

you're right it's stupid.

Other people can explain to their daughters, that it's alright to cheer for a guy because of his uniform, even if he takes it off and beats his woman.

[RonArtest15]

you're right it's stupid.

Other people can explain to their daughters, that it's alright to cheer for a guy because of his uniform, even if he takes it off and beats his woman.

 

The hottest of hot takes...LOL. 

 

Maybe you can explain to your daughter how it's OK to vote for a presidential candidate whose husband stepped out w. an intern. 

 

It goes on and on. 

[beachboy757]

I votes yes because I believe in second chances.

[Conn]

I votes yes because I believe in second chances.

Let's be real, the Cowboys gave him his second chance and he **** all over it, while sucking on the field.

[goskins10]

Edit

It wasn't smug? I stated that we are putting together a team of football players to win games, not marry our daughters so their off the field trouble shouldn't be as big a deal as people are making it out to be.

You responded by saying you wouldn't want Greg Hardy to beat and rape your daughter. So maybe I'm just unclear on what you were getting at

 

 

 

F) yesh he is but again, see B/C. We aren't in the business of employing "good guys", we arent fielding a team of guys to marry our daughters, we are in the business to win football games - Don't need to marry my daughter (if I had one), but want to feel reasonably comfortable he will not beat her up lad rape her like the coward he is.

 

 

Above is your quote - You stated we are not fielding a team of guys to "Marry our daughters".  I responded to that metaphor with my own that while don't need guys we would be OK with marrying our daughters, we done want guys on the team that we have to worry about beating and raping women like hardy has already done. Thought that was a pretty clear response to your statement.