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Suspect who stole gun from man open carrying at Detroit gas station arrested for unrelated crime

 

Caught on camera - a bold thief steals a gun from a man open-carrying at a gas station. The crime happened in January, but Detroit police has just released the video of the incident hoping to get the gun and the perpetrator - off the streets.

 

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Detroit police say the thief has been arrested and linked to other crimes including a non-fatal shooting. 

 

A surveillance camera at the BP at Seven Mile and Wyoming captured the perp in a red Nike hoodie walking up behind a 53-year-old man open carrying a pistol.

 

He yanks it from the holster, points it at the victim, and takes off running with a second man who appears to be a partner in crime.

 

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Four people arrested, 19 guns seized following Monroeville Gun Show, AG's office announces

 

Four people were arrested for firearm offenses and 19 guns were seized following a joint surveillance operation with the Monroeville Police Department at the Monroeville Gun Show, Pennsylvania Attorney General Josh Shapiro announced Monday.

 

AG Shapiro's office said the seizures and arrests took place over the weekend of Feb. 6-7.

 

Officials said David Fields, Tanesha Olverson, Robert Raglin and Elizabeth Rexrode were each arrested at the Monroeville Gun Show for their roles in the illegal straw purchases of firearms.

 

Fields is prohibited from purchasing a firearm, and Raglin, a convicted felon, is prohibited from purchasing or possessing a firearm. Olverson and Rexroad acted as straw purchasers to acquire firearms for people prohibited from having them.

 

Shapiro's office said that during the gun show, agents saw a straw purchaser buy an uzi and long gun for Fields using money that Fields passed to the purchaser. As a result of this surveillance operation, agents arrested Fields and obtained a search warrant for his home where they recovered 13 additional guns.

 

Officials said Olverson was seen purchasing an AR-15 rifle while being accompanied by Raglin, who is allegedly a known gun trafficker. Following the straw purchase, Olverson was interviewed by agents and a search was conducted on her vehicle, where agents seized a Glock 19 handgun and $6,000 in cash.

 

Rexrode, a fugitive, received cash and approached a vendor to purchase a firearm for a person not to possess.

 

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80 Guns, $140K In Cash Seized In Large Modesto Drug And Weapons Sales Raids

 

Modesto police said they decided to do some spring cleaning this week – the type of cleaning that involves breaking up a large illegal marijuana and gun sales operation.

 

Investigators said they recently developed some information about an alleged drug and firearms sales operation in Modesto.

 

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MPD’s Investigations Services Division developed information of illegal marijuana and firearms sales and conducted several search warrants on Thursday, February 25, 2021. This investigation lead to the confiscation of approximately 80 guns, over 120 pounds of processed marijuana packaged and ready to be sold along with over 1700 marijuana plants. Additionally, over $140,000 in cash and approximately $150,000 in assets were seized as a direct result of this criminal investigation.

 

During this investigation, 23-year-old Luis Fernando Valencia and 18-year-old Luis Alfonso Valencia, both from Modesto, were arrested and charged with felony drug and gun charges.

 

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4 Men Accused of Buying ‘Ghost Guns' to Sell in Philadelphia

 

Four men were arrested in two separate cases involving the illegal assembly and sale of “ghost guns,” firearms that are built from scratch and difficult to trace which many officials say have fueled the gun violence epidemic in Philadelphia and beyond.

 

Police said Najaye Davis, 19, of Philadelphia, purchased multiple 80% receiver-made gun kits with large amounts of cash at the Morgantown Gun Show in Morgantown, Pennsylvania, back on Feb. 27. 

 

Ghost guns normally start as “80% receivers” that are often sold in kits without background checks. They can be easily and quickly assembled, can’t be traced due to a lack of serial numbers and once put together, can operate as fully functioning firearms. 

 

After buying the weapons, Davis and a second suspect left the venue and drove eastbound towards Philadelphia, according to investigators. Agents with the Pennsylvania Office of Attorney General (OAG) believe the two men were illegally making and selling ghost guns in Philadelphia. Davis is prohibited from purchasing or possessing a handgun in the city. 

 

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Opinion: The Senate can choose to save lives — or to do nothing on gun control, again

 

THE HOUSE of Representatives passed a pair of bills this week to try to bring the country closer to universal background checks for gun sales. This imperative has already won over the vast majority of voters. A filibuster-proof majority of senators, however, may prove harder to come by.

 

The two pieces of legislation approved Thursday would close loopholes long known to let killers slip through. The bill aimed at the so-called gun-show loophole would require unlicensed and private sellers to conduct a federal review for red flags such as a criminal record or a history of mental illness. That means online sales, private sales and, yes, gun-show sales must go through the same process as in-person sales from licensed dealers — though loans for hunting and other activities, as well as gifts by family members, would be exempted. Eight people including the perpetrator died and 25 were injured in a West Texas shooting in 2019; the shooter had purchased his rifle in a person-to-person sale after failing a federal background check.

 

The bill addressing the “Charleston loophole” would extend the time the FBI has to conduct a background check from the current three days to 10. Buyers are able to evade review simply because review takes too long. White supremacist Dylann Roof killed nine people at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in 2015; a pending felony charge didn’t prevent him from getting a gun because the FBI had missed its window.

 

These are only two stories among many of weapons ending up in the hands of those who aren’t supposed to have them, and these are only two gaps that need plugging in a system that has enabled so many lives needlessly to be lost. The bills now heading across Capitol Hill are a bare minimum for meaningful action. And yet similar legislation failed in 2013, and then in 2015, and then in 2019, when then-Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) refused to bring it to the floor for a vote. This time, at least, intransigent Republicans will have to show the country where they stand.

 

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UA hosting ‘Guns in Crisis’ webinar series after nation saw record firearms sales in 2020

 

With a pandemic, nationwide protests, record-breaking weather events and political upheaval, it’s no wonder the past 12 months saw record gun sales across the nation. In 2020, the FBI conducted nearly 40 million background checks for gun purchases, an increase of 40% from 2019.

 

In the same year, Jennifer Carlson, a University of Arizona associate professor of sociology, earned a National Science Foundation grant to document the surge in American gun purchases. This resulted in her latest book, "Policing the Second Amendment: Guns, Law Enforcement and the Politics of Race."

 

Ahead of a weekly webinar series with gun experts, UA highlighted some of Carlson’s research and work.

 

“Gun sellers' reports about why people were buying guns related to uncertainty. The fact that people were going to the grocery store and there was no toilet paper, that places were shut down, people were getting laid off – there is this sense of uncertainty and chaos,” Carlson told the university. “The striking aspect of 2020, though, is that this becomes a moment when guns become appealing to a much broader sector of the population who either thought about getting a gun but never took that step, or were adamantly opposed to guns and gun ownership.”

 

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So no gun control in Tennessee.

 

Tennessee Senate passes permitless carry bill, folks react

 

The Constitutional Carry or Permitless bill means the majority of law abiding citizens over 21 in Tennessee won’t need a permit to tote a handgun open or concealed.

 

Tennessee State Senator Todd Gardenhire, (R-Chattanooga), voted in favor of it on Thursday when the bill passed the Tennessee Senate.

 

“I would encourage people to take the training that they want to take, but that’s their right not to do that. Their right is to be able to carry a pistol for protection, a handgun,” Senator Gardenhire said.

 

The passed bill restricts some including people who have had a DUI in the last 5 years or 2 in 10 years.

 

But, not everyone is for permitless carry.

 

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Its the same arguments used by the pro gun people everytime. Its exhausting. I've given up hope. We just have to accept the fact that we live in a country where in any given moment you have a legit chance of getting shot by a crazy person.

 

#repealthesecondamendment

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I went down a rabbit hole on the gun control issue yesterday. Here's some interesting tidbits (to me) that I found.

 

Part of this is from a National Institute of Justice study that went back and looked at mass shooters dating back to 1966.

 

Most mass shooters have acute or chronic mental health issues. Some kind of trauma in childhood; physical or sexual abuse.

 

Vast majority of mass shooters have a change in situation: job loss, divorce, etc

 

80% of school shooters get guns from family who got it legally. Latimes/NIJ study

 

Workplace shooters also tend to get their guns legally.

 

Take red flag laws seriously. Perform background checks seriously. Some of the recent shootings guns were obtained after red flag laws weren't followed.

 

States with the most mass shootings, also tend to be the ones with the lowest % of gun ownership (and generally stricter gun control

Laws). While they have the fewest mass shootings, states with highest rates of gun ownership also have most gun deaths.

 

Mass shootings account for 0.5% of gun deaths.

 

It does not seem to be the case that mass shooters cross state lines to get guns. Also instances where they got it from a private sale (no record)is rare. I think if your gun is used in a crime after a private sale, you should be liable because you bypassed safeguards.

 

Per capita gun murders are way less than they were in the 1970s (Pew)

 

Crime rates also way down since the 1990s. (Pew)

 

The data is interesting. 80% of school shooters get guns from family who got it legally. Workplace shooters also tend to get their guns legally. States with the MOST mass shootings, also tend to be the ones with the lowest % of gun ownership (and generally stricter gun control laws). It doesn’t seem to be common that mass shooters cross state lines to get guns. Should there be stricter penalties if someone takes your gun and commits a crime with it (family or in a private sale?)

 

I'm pretty Liberal, but we have to start with strictly enforcing the safeguards already in place first(background checks and red flag laws) before adding more laws to the books. I think everyone can agree that anyone with certain misdemeanors, violent felonies, or mental illness should have limited access. This probably goes along with the overhaul in law enforcement. I don't think 2A people should be the ones maintaining background checks and red flag laws.

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Assault rifle raffle for Astronaut High School graduation event sparks outrage, support

 

Flyers announcing that an assault rifle would be raffled off at a fundraiser for Astronaut High School seniors provoked worry and confusion for some parents, and glowing support for others over the weekend as news of the prize spread, News 6 partner Florida Today reported.

 

The ArmaLite-style assault rifle was among the items being advertised in the Project Graduation raffle. The news sparked some parents to ask how raffling a military-style firearm for a school-related function would be appropriate given deadly mass shootings that have taken place at schools over the years.

 

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Assault rifle raffle for Astronaut High School graduation event sparks outrage, support

 

Flyers announcing that an assault rifle would be raffled off at a fundraiser for Astronaut High School seniors provoked worry and confusion for some parents, and glowing support for others over the weekend as news of the prize spread, News 6 partner Florida Today reported.

 

The ArmaLite-style assault rifle was among the items being advertised in the Project Graduation raffle. The news sparked some parents to ask how raffling a military-style firearm for a school-related function would be appropriate given deadly mass shootings that have taken place at schools over the years.

 

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It's completely appropriate.  

 

It practically screams that school shootings are just fine, as long as there's a profit involved.  

 

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