justice98 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Strictly grading tenure as a Redskins head coach, nothing before, nothing after (at least in Norv's case). I might go Norv in that matchup when you look at it closely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Norv was the epitome of average. If he started 6-1 he'd end the season at 8-8. If he started 2-6, he'd battle back to 8-8. Shanny, right now can't hold Norv's jockstrap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 I voted Norv because I want to stir the pot, shake the trees, and otherwise startle the sleepwalkers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justice98 Posted November 17, 2013 Author Share Posted November 17, 2013 If Norv is average, the Shanny's gotta be below average. Both came in under rebuilding scenarios. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacon Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Oh man. OP went there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinzfever2010 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 I've been saying this ****. Mike reminds me of Norv so much. This is wild, its like a blast from the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Well Shanahans on his way to having a worse record his first four years than Norval. 1994 through 1997 Turner went 26-37-1. 2010 to date, Shanahan is 24-34 with 6 games left in this horribly bad year. Norval was a first time HC. Shanahan is a two time SB winning, 20 year one. You decide who is worse. Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justice98 Posted November 17, 2013 Author Share Posted November 17, 2013 Norv didn't have a cap penalty to deal with, but you look at some of those rosters in the Norv years, and they were kinda rough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theTruthTeller Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Norv's demeanor probably doesn't lend itself to building a champion, but he'll make a good team. He's like the engineer who starts a business with a great product, but can't make a successful business. Shanny will either make you a champion or destroy you. Last year looked like he was on the precipice of making the champion. Now, it looks like he's just been reckless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinzfever2010 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Both stories are going to end the same baby. Dan is about to show Mike whose got the real doghouse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hail2skins Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Norv should've been fired either during or after the 1998 season. He got us back to being an average team but you got the sense he was never going to get us over the hump and develop us into a consistent winner. Having said that, I don't think Norv was ever going to win the fans over here. He took over one year removed from the greatest coach this team ever had. Shanny has had a good amount of crap to deal with, but if you took a look at his ledger as Skins coach to date, he has been pretty much a massive disappointment......especially given his past success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justice98 Posted November 17, 2013 Author Share Posted November 17, 2013 Both stories are going to end the same baby. Dan is about to show Mike whose got the real doghouse. Except, Shanny's not gonna take any mess from Snyder. Snyder's not screaming Shanahan's head off. Shanny'll either punch him in the face or he'll walk, but he ain't gonna stand there and take it and say "yes sir, may I have another." lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 ..... Both stories are going to end the same baby. Dan is about to show Mike whose got the real doghouse. Question is what year does he do it in? Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinzfever2010 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Question is what year does he do it in? Hail. If we loose out Shan is done If we win 1 more game Shan is done 3-13 FIRED 4-12 FIRED 5-11 or better hes back for his last year with a new DC/GM/ST coach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 If we loose out Shan is done If we win 1 more game Shan is done 3-13 FIRED 4-12 FIRED 5-11 or better hes back for his last year with a new DC/GM/ST coach I honestly aren't sure, for two reasons. Lil' Danny has his new rep to protect as a backseat owner. He steps back in (which he should, NO question); and the mediots will be over him. Then there's the question of $ 7 million a year. That's a BIG pay-off ON TOP of a new Coaches contract if you fire him. What SHOULD happen, and what may well happen, are sadly two completely different things. Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter_R Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Is "better" really the word you should be using? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havenless Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 I was a Shottenheimer guy, myself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedBNG Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 I think Shanny has brought in some more better players than Norval did his first 4 years. Shanny also got us a division title sooner. Although it's not really much of a difference so far, I'll go with Shanny. Norval was just too boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justice98 Posted November 17, 2013 Author Share Posted November 17, 2013 I honestly aren't sure, for two reasons. Lil' Danny has his new rep to protect as a backseat owner. He steps back in (which he should, NO question); and the mediots will be over him. Then there's the question of $ 7 million a year. That's a BIG pay-off ON TOP of a new Coaches contract if you fire him. What SHOULD happen, and what may well happen, are sadly two completely different things. Hail. $7 mil is a lot of money, but it's a drop in the bucket to the pay offs Snyder's had to eat on players. He likes to make money, but he also doesn't have qualms about spending it either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Acre Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 At least we don't have to look at that face and listen to that croak blame the punter anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theTruthTeller Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Up until now, Snyder's been able to get away with firing a coach and "going in a different direction" (not a direct quote, just my analysis). Norv -> Schott: getting an established head coach Schott -> Spurrier: getting a proven winner Spurrier - > Gibbs: getting back to Redskins football Gibbs -> Zorn: going with the only person who wanted to replace a legend Zorn -> Shanny: going with a proven NFL Super Bowl winning coach I'm not sure what he does now. On paper, there aren't any better coaches than Shanny, although there are the Cowers etc who will need to have authority to tear apart the team and rebuild it in their own image. Anyone else has to be a well reasoned leap of faith - either an up and coming coordinator or a college coach. And that coach will be getting a depleted roster to build back up without a first this year. I'm sure there will be no lack of applicants, but there will be competition for the best prospects too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinzfever2010 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Hire a GM and let them find a coach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Up until now, Snyder's been able to get away with firing a coach and "going in a different direction" (not a direct quote, just my analysis). Norv -> Schott: getting an established head coach Schott -> Spurrier: getting a proven winner Spurrier - > Gibbs: getting back to Redskins football Gibbs -> Zorn: going with the only person who wanted to replace a legend Zorn -> Shanny: going with a proven NFL Super Bowl winning coach I'm not sure what he does now. On paper, there aren't any better coaches than Shanny, although there are the Cowers etc who will need to have authority to tear apart the team and rebuild it in their own image. Anyone else has to be a well reasoned leap of faith - either an up and coming coordinator or a college coach. And that coach will be getting a depleted roster to build back up without a first this year. I'm sure there will be no lack of applicants, but there will be competition for the best prospects too. Shanny was all but ready to hire Fassell and backed off due to fan outrage; at least that's the myth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knowledge316 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Best thing Danny needs to do is: 1. Fire Shanny and Crew 2. Hire GM 3. Let said GM select HC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander PK Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 The thread title does not match the thread question. The thread title is "Better Redskins head coach: Norv or Shanny?" The poll question asks "Who will be considered the best Redskins head coach?" Both imply different things. The first implies Shanahan's time is done, the second implies it is not. With that said, I voted Shanahan because I believe he personally will survive this season as will most of his staff on offense. The Defense...not so much. The offense took a **** on the field today for the most of the game, but predominantly for the season the defense has been the larger problem. I have come to accept the fact that this has become a season we just have to take our lumps, but I still believe in the overall direction of the club, and I believe it would be a huge mistake to start over with another head coach and staff. If next season things do not improve considerably, hopefully with a new defensive coordinator, plenty of cap space to sign some additional talent, and god willing an injury free Robert working all off-season with the offense it will be time to move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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