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There certainly is a group making that claim.  But it's not me.

No claim..a suggestion or presumption. And yes, you are absolutely making it.

Or that both America's are equally crazy/misinformed.

We are all a little crazy and all frequently misinformed. That's not what the "2 Americas" thing is about at all.

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No claim..a suggestion or presumption. And yes, you are absolutely making it.

No he's not. He's always been clear it's about difference of opinion and how differently the two sides see things. I haven't once heard him claim or even suggest it the way you are.

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No claim..a suggestion or presumption. And yes, you are absolutely making it.

We are all a little crazy and all frequently misinformed. That's not what the "2 Americas" thing is about at all.

Im absolutely not doing that.  Im saying that they are both the same.

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Maybe we should do a Presidential Candidate Look-a-Like thread.

 

I do fondly remember back in '08, I started one based on a then-recurring Stadium tradition, in the form of "How the candidates see themselves". 

 

I remember two of my contributions to that thread that I thought were pretty good: 

 


 

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vs. 

 

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How the Democrats want people to see the election: 

 

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vs. 

 

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Hillary picking justices isn't really scary.  Her picks could very well go rogue to the right, like O'Connor and Souter went rogue left, since more than likely she'll be picking moderately liberal people.  And if you like corporations having power, rejoice, there's a good chance she'll throw pro-business people up there.  Indeed, it's probably one of the biggest reasons Citizens United wouldn't be overturned between 2017 and 2021/25 (and longer) with a Clinton presidency, her appointees likely would be on the side of keeping it.

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Aaah yes, the old "2 Americas". The inference is, of course, that one America is good and the other somewhat less so.

But really, it's ****y-ass weak sauce.

 

 

Nah, I'm pretty sure it was an attempt at "I deny the reality that you're pointing out, (without actually making or supporting a thing, I simply wave my hand and announce that it doesn't exist), and claim that the fact that our realities don't match proves that we're both equally correct." 

 

 

I don't think Scalia was a moron.  I think he's an ideologue.

 

I agree with you.  I picked a really bad word. 

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How is that appropriate then for a SCOTUS judge? Or really..any judge? Do we want judges to have missionary complexes? To have preconceived decisions and are unwilling to deviate from them because they uncompromising and dogmatic?

I don't think hes any different from the other Justices.  I think they all have preconceived decisions and biases.

 

Can you list the political based cases that Ginsburg has ruled like a Conservative?

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Im enjoying all of the people who have different views than Kilmer on political issues, telling Kilmer there is no reason to be concerned about Justices Clinton (whom they support) appoints

You all really don't get what he said, do you?

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Hillary picking justices isn't really scary.  Her picks could very well go rogue to the right, like O'Connor and Souter went rogue left, since more than likely she'll be picking moderately liberal people.  And if you like corporations having power, rejoice, there's a good chance she'll throw pro-business people up there.  Indeed, it's probably one of the biggest reasons Citizens United wouldn't be overturned between 2017 and 2021/25 (and longer) with a Clinton presidency, her appointees likely would be on the side of keeping it.

 

Suspect you may well be right.  It's certainly a possibility. 

 

Although, when it gets to pro-corporate decision, I remember one of the few times Predicto actually weighed in on his opinions on the current SC.  (I assume he tries not to comment on things like that.  Probably due to a desire to keep his job.  but that's just my theory.) 

 

And he wrote a fairly long piece about how the court has been interpreting federal law governing arbitration agreements, to rule that employers can impose employment contracts on employees which take away employee rights (like, to a civil suits or to class action), even though state labor laws state that employers cannot take away such rights. 

 

It was something that I certainly hadn't heard of.  It doesn't get the big headlines that gay marriage gets.  But it's certainly important. 

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our medical training is among the most advanced in the world, as are our procedures/technology....and more expensive to provide

 

Kinda like our space program  ;)

Point 1 "Our medical training is among the most advanced in the world".....agreed

Point 2 "as are our procedures/technology"....agreed

Point 3 "and more expensive to provide".....obviously not

*see figures on bloated pharma costs, and inflated insurance billing rates for q-tips

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Hillary = more Ginsbergs/Sotomayors.

 

Rubio = more Roberts/Kennedys

 

Cruz = more Thomas/Scalias

 

Trump????  Maybe Mark Cuban and Jimmy Fallon

 

I'm not up to speed on current far left jurists, so I have no idea who Bernie would appoint.

 

 

 

Nonsense.   

 

Cruz = more Thomas/Scalias

Rubio = more Thomas/Scalias

pretty much every GOP candidate = more Thomas/Scalias

 

 

Here's what Rubio himself says:  "One of the things the President is going to do is nominate Supreme Court Justices, maybe as many as four,” Rubio told his crowd. “We need to appoint Supreme Court Justices that understand that the Constitution is not a living, breathing document. It is supposed to be interpreted and applied as originally intended.” 

 

"I don’t believe any case law is settled law. Any future Supreme Court can change it. And ultimately, I will appoint Supreme Court justices that will interpret the Constitution as originally constructed.”

 

“The next president of the United States must nominate Supreme Court justices that believe in the original intent of the Constitution and apply that. We need more Scalias and less Sotomayors.”

 

Rubio would pack the court with ultra-conservative originalists.  He says so himself.   

 

 

Meanwhile, you ask: I'm not up to speed on current far left jurists, so I have no idea who Bernie would appoint.

 

Answer: there aren't any.  Even Democrats appoint their federal judges pretty much entirely from the pool of former prosecutors and big firm corporate lawyers.   Occasionally they appoint a token law professor, but never a leftist.  Hell, Sotomayor, the one the right loves to complain about - she was a tough on crime prosecutor before she was elevated to the bench.  

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I think the Courts ruling on Obamacare was an outrage.  And I would support any candidate who would use that as a litmus test,  IE- Would you have ruled the other way?  Then you qualify.

One of the most conservative courts in decades (arguably generations) and you want them to be MORE conservative?

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But it is interesting to note the number of justices over the past 50 years appointed by GOP Presidents that were liberal Justices compared to the number appointed by Dem Presidents that were Conservative.  The GOP is late to the game of packing the court with absolute known idealogues.

 

 

Holy crap this is so wrong.   100000 percent wrong.   Jesus christ.   

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When he's not telling us she's a wild eyed communist. Or a lesbian. Or John Dillinger.

Nonsense. I have never even hinted at any of those in the slightest. It's your defense mechanism in trying to revert every argument into a Fox News or racist play. The liberal way

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