Dukes and Skins Posted December 14, 2013 Author Share Posted December 14, 2013 If we switch to the 4-3 and bring back Rak ... we would need to find a 4-3 ILB. I think D&S has said that Riley, Jackson and Robinson would be good candidates to play OLB in the 4-3 with Kerrigan and Rak at DE. If we had a couple 2nd rounders, I wouldn't be opposed to getting a stud ILB early in the 2nd to anchor the middle. If we go 4-3 I think we're pretty set at DT with Jenkins and Cofield (likely releasing Carriker and Bowen). I'd be happy with our DL ... but our LBs might be a bit suspect so getting someone like Skov early 2nd would be nice Give me Denzel Perryman and call it a day at MLB. Currently plays OLB for Miami, but don't see why he couldn't play MLB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Robert Griffin Experience Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 On Morocco Brown - is Shanny even listening to him? Maybe he's ignoring Brown like Vinny did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dukes and Skins Posted December 15, 2013 Author Share Posted December 15, 2013 On Morocco Brown - is Shanny even listening to him? Maybe he's ignoring Brown like Vinny did. Have a feeling its the latter. Shanny has the final say, so he'll take the guy he wants over what others might say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCClybun Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 Have a feeling its the latter. Shanny has the final say, so he'll take the guy he wants over what others might say Shanny is a highlight reel guy. Scouts, Brown, Campbell, bring the players to Shanny. Grant Paulsen said Shanny watches a guy's 3 best plays and 3 worst plays. More like he mainly watches the positive plays, thinking he can coach players to always make those plays. But yeah, he'll take the guy he likes over the guy ever guy likes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaLazarou Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 Give me Denzel Perryman and call it a day at MLB. Currently plays OLB for Miami, but don't see why he couldn't play MLB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRobi21 Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 Give me Denzel Perryman and call it a day at MLB. Currently plays OLB for Miami, but don't see why he couldn't play MLB Been praising him all year, as well.. Love his game. Could be next in line of great LBs to come out of the U. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dukes and Skins Posted December 15, 2013 Author Share Posted December 15, 2013 Been praising him all year, as well.. Love his game. Could be next in line of great LBs to come out of the U. His combination of coverage ability and instincts are awesome to watch. He'd be a natural fit for us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dukes and Skins Posted December 15, 2013 Author Share Posted December 15, 2013 Although I do wonder if they do move Riley to 4-3 MLB and look for more of a Kiwanuka type SLB in the draft. Keenan if healthy can be a very good coverage LB for us but the worry is if he can be healthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 Come on Cousins, get us a first round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 Come on Cousins, get us a first round pick. Would you rather get a low 1st or high 2nd and 4th? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 Would you rather get a low 1st or high 2nd and 4th? If the difference between the 1st and 2nd is ten spots or so, then the 1st. Pick out of the endzone as I type. I hate Kyle for calling that play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rakpwned427 Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 Anybody no much about Andrew Jackson ILB out of Western Kentucky? Heard a few things about him, but I don't know enough to form an opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Would you rather get a low 1st or high 2nd and 4th? High second and high fourth is worth more than a low first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dukes and Skins Posted December 16, 2013 Author Share Posted December 16, 2013 Anybody no much about Andrew Jackson ILB out of Western Kentucky? Heard a few things about him, but I don't know enough to form an opinion. He's a two down LB in the NFL who has some issues. Not a fan at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RemoveSnyder Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Anybody no much about Andrew Jackson ILB out of Western Kentucky? Hits like a Mack truck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinny21 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Although I do wonder if they do move Riley to 4-3 MLB and look for more of a Kiwanuka type SLB in the draft. Keenan if healthy can be a very good coverage LB for us but the worry is if he can be healthy Wonder if that's a role that Jackson could excel in. Or at least be competent in. Regarding Robinson, at least it's 'just' his pec. Same as Orakpo who is (now) showing no signs of his injury. I think Keenan will be good to go this offseason. On the flip side, missing so much time means he's still a question mark - to this staff and even more so to a new staff. Which means we need to address the position. Which cuts into our resources to address other weaknesses (real or perceived). The good news is if Robinson pans out we have good depth at the position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dukes and Skins Posted December 16, 2013 Author Share Posted December 16, 2013 Wonder if that's a role that Jackson could excel in. Or at least be competent in. Regarding Robinson, at least it's 'just' his pec. Same as Orakpo who is (now) showing no signs of his injury. I think Keenan will be good to go this offseason. On the flip side, missing so much time means he's still a question mark - to this staff and even more so to a new staff. Which means we need to address the position. Which cuts into our resources to address other weaknesses (real or perceived). The good news is if Robinson pans out we have good depth at the position. Jackson could fill that role, but I'd rather have an upgrade from that. I feel like Jackson could be a good 3rd pass rusher for the team. Looking at Robinson I fully agree, and it's a big risk to rely on him, but again I feel like he's not really an injury prone guy. Wouldn't surprise me if they added a WLB in FA to cover up that spot just in case Robinson isn't ready to go right away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclops Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 With the 34th pick I hope we can grab Kelvin Benjamin WR out of FSU. Calvin Johnson size and jumping ability. Could be a beast in this league and we finally would have a true big man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 With the 34th pick I hope we can grab Kelvin Benjamin WR out of FSU. Calvin Johnson size and jumping ability. Could be a beast in this league and we finally would have a true big man Good read from more than a year ago on Benjamin: http://espn.go.com/colleges/fsu/football/story/_/id/8314163/fsu-wr-kelvin-benjamin-trying-match-reality-legend Kind of highlights how far he's progressed in the past year and his potential for future improvement in his route running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrelgreenie Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 I hope Benjamin runs slow or has a bad pro-day or gets into some minor legal trouble. I'm sorry, but I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMadisonSkins Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 For the late 1st v. early 2nd and 4th ... I know this isn't exact science but it's a benchmark: 1) Late 1st scenario: Browns trade us *Colts pick, currently #24 for Cousins = value of 740 points 2) Texans trade us their 2nd and 4th for Cousins: Currently #33 and #97 = value of 692 - difference in 48 points is equal to a late-4th 3) Vikings trade us their 2nd and 4th for Cousins: Currently #36 and #100 = 672 - difference in 68 points is another mid-4th So it's really about perceived value. Teams under and oversell their draft picks all the time, dependent on who is available. Now, if this is a pre-draft trade, which I anticipate it is, then you would imagine it sticks pretty close to the trade value chart. With that being said, I'd feel more comfortable with the late 1st round pick for this reason alone: You can always trade back. If you are at 24, you never know who might be available there that you really want (that is worth more than an extra 4th rounder) ... or someone else really wants, in which case, you might be able to get more in return. So, say, a stud OLB falls (and we re-sign Rak) ... and someone wants to move up ... we might be able to get more than an early 2nd and 4th. That's just my mindset, though. So I think the debate should be ... would you rather get a 2/4/5 for Cousins or a 1 and possibly get a stud that falls or trade back and try and get more (maybe a 3rd instead of a 4/5?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMadisonSkins Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 I think best case scenario ... and since you can't predict the draft the day before it occurs, saying this 5 months out, before the combine or FA is even more ludicrous to try to do ... but it's fun nonetheless. What if the Browns offered us their late 1st and a conditional pick for Cousins. Something like, if he starts 16 games or throws for 4,000 that conditional pick is a 5th that turns into a 2nd in 2015. Then we have what will likely end up being the 26th or so pick in the draft. Let's say, something crazy happens ... like the Texans decide to go with Jadaveon Clowney at #1 and Johnny Manziel falls to #26 where we are. What if the Texans offered us #33 and a 2015 2nd rounder to move up and take Manziel? You would then be talking about the Kirk Cousins (4th rounder in 2012) pick turning into a 2nd in 2014 and two 2nds in 2015? Wouldn't be a bad deal, and a new regime would love to load up on draft picks moving forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimFolk Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Brandon Coleman with the 2nd rounder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMadisonSkins Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Brandon Coleman with the 2nd rounder? Sure. I wouldn't mind that. I think if we were to switch to the 4-3 ... re-sign guys like Orakpo, Jackson and Riley ... and have a free agency that gets us Pozlusny (MLB), TJ Ward (FS), Jared Velhdeer (RT) and Alex Mack (OC) as our primary signings ... if you can trade Cousins for a 2nd and 4th ... I would go: 2(34): Kelvin Benjamin, WR 2(35): Brandon Coleman, OG - From Minnesota 3(65): Denzel Perryman, MLB 4(97): DeAnthony Thomas, SWR / Dri Archer, SWR 4(98): Lucheze Purefoy, CB - From Minnesota 5(129): Aaron Murray, QB 6(161): PUNTER Would be happy with that *Note: I'm not sure what he would command, but if we still had cap space, I wouldn't mind bringing in McCluster to play that SWR/returnman or Julian Edelman to play SWR. I think Edelman will cost more, but god is he sure-handed. If that were to occur, then change that 4th rounder with Thomas/Archer to a BPA somewhere like DE or DT, depending on who we keep or bring in as depth during FA> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Sure. I wouldn't mind that. I think if we were to switch to the 4-3 ... re-sign guys like Orakpo, Jackson and Riley ... and have a free agency that gets us Pozlusny (MLB), TJ Ward (FS), Jared Velhdeer (RT) and Alex Mack (OC) as our primary signings ... if you can trade Cousins for a 2nd and 4th ... I would go: 2(34): Kelvin Benjamin, WR 2(35): Brandon Coleman, OG - From Minnesota 3(65): Denzel Perryman, MLB 4(97): DeAnthony Thomas, SWR / Dri Archer, SWR 4(98): Lucheze Purefoy, CB - From Minnesota 5(129): Aaron Murray, QB 6(161): PUNTER Is Thomas really expected to go in the 4th? That's insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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