2014 Comprehensive Nfl Draft Database

[Momma There Goes That Man]

*Edit: McShay has Kelvin Benjamin going #27 to Carolina.

 

Browns have the 23rd pick as of now. Would love that pick for Cousins, and take Benjamin there

 

That would be an excellent pick for them. Hope we somehow find a way to snag him. 

[Rakpwned427]

Yeah that would be great. That was what I was hoping for before people on here swayed me toward the 4-3 with our personnel. My guess would be to draft a NT like McCullers in the 2nd or 3rd ... back him up with Chris Baker ... and have Jenkins/Cofield with Bowen and another cheap FA addition rotating in.

Then you just bring back who you've got (Orakpo, Riley) and ensure that Robinson can nail down the other ILB spot, or go get a FA like Pat Angerer for relatively good value

That what I was thinking. I would love the addition of Angerer.

[Dukes and Skins]

McShay's mock draft today:

1. Teddy Bridgwater to Houston

3. Blake Bortles to Oakland

4. Johnny Manziel to Jacksonville

6. Derek Carr to Cleveland

 

That seems like a lot of "junk" Qbs going early, considering their ranks by the ESPN scout grades Bridgewater 8th, Bortles 14th, Manziel 20th, and Carr somewhere around 76th.

 

That also doesn't include the Vikings who pick 8th, who he has taking an OLB because there's no one left at QB to take there, though I'd justify that should be the concern with Oakland at #3 too hah

 

*Edit: McShay has Kelvin Benjamin going #27 to Carolina.

 

Browns have the 23rd pick as of now. Would love that pick for Cousins, and take Benjamin there

 

 

Having Carr ranked at the 70th area is absolutely laughable by ESPN. He's a top 10 guy and just might be the #1 overall pick 

[RemoveSnyder]

Thread's going a little "bwrrt!5ad33ahted=;ryaX**gsbat?gduyae-r-rr"  out there.

 

http://youtu.be/rJUAJmUbzOk?t=6m20s

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The draft, prospects, analysis.

[JamesMadisonSkins]

Having Carr ranked at the 70th area is absolutely laughable by ESPN. He's a top 10 guy and just might be the #1 overall pick 

 

Double-checked ... I was thinking of Murray in the 70s ... but they still have Carr at 57

[RemoveSnyder]

IF he comes out, Moncrief.

Sideline Go, Deep Dig, Deep Post - outside receiver.

 

 

[Dukes and Skins]

Double-checked ... I was thinking of Murray in the 70s ... but they still have Carr at 57

 

Still absolutely laughable. 

 

For reference NFL Draft Scout(who is much more reliable IMO) has it like this

 

Bridgewater #4

Carr #10

Manziel #12

Bortles #38

[JamesMadisonSkins]

Still absolutely laughable. 

 

For reference NFL Draft Scout(who is much more reliable IMO) has it like this

 

Bridgewater #4

Carr #10

Manziel #12

Bortles #38

 

Does that stack up with what you're thinking, too?

 

I'd be curious to see how much the teams in the Top 10 reach for QBs. I would certainly understand, if those ratings proved true, if Bridgewater went #1 to Houston ... then Manziel went #3 to Oakland and Carr went #4 to Jacksonville. But then you have Cleveland at #6 and Minnesota at #8 who I can't imagine would reach for a QB that on draft day is ranked in the 30s.

 

That still makes me think that Cousins could fetch a 2nd rounder from Cleveland/Minnesota and maybe later picks at the very least. If there is enough of a bidding war, I could see both going for it and Cleveland coming out winning the war by giving us their (current) 23rd pick.

[Dukes and Skins]

Does that stack up with what you're thinking, too?

 

I'd be curious to see how much the teams in the Top 10 reach for QBs. I would certainly understand, if those ratings proved true, if Bridgewater went #1 to Houston ... then Manziel went #3 to Oakland and Carr went #4 to Jacksonville. But then you have Cleveland at #6 and Minnesota at #8 who I can't imagine would reach for a QB that on draft day is ranked in the 30s.

 

That still makes me think that Cousins could fetch a 2nd rounder from Cleveland/Minnesota and maybe later picks at the very least. If there is enough of a bidding war, I could see both going for it and Cleveland coming out winning the war by giving us their (current) 23rd pick.

 

I think we see Carr Bortles and Bridgewater end up in the top 10 if Bortles declares and so does Teddy. Johnny could go mid 1st, but I'd personally rather take him in the 2nd if I were a GM. Minnesota I have a feeling takes one in the 2nd and brings back Cassel and Cleveland could go that route, but also a possible trade for Cousins for a 2nd makes sense 

[PokerPacker]

After watching Dobson, I got to say I'm in love now.  Normally I'd say a 6'0 3-4 de just wouldn't work, but that guy is a real handful.  After seeing a less than ideal heighted pass rusher like dumervil succeed, I have faith in dobson being able to work at DE in a 3-4 if we were to keep the scheme; though ideally we would go to more of a 1 gap 3-4.  Honestly, I think he may be a more explosive 3 tech than Suh coming out, his only downside being that he's much smaller.

Lack of height is often cited as a detriment to defensive lineman, but sometimes you'll see a shorter lineman do well because they actually take advantage of their height rather than in spite of it.

Look at 2nd year DE Mike Daniels who's tied with Clay Matthews for first on the Packers in sacks. He's also 6'0". When asked if being shorter is detrimental, he responded, "Not at all. If you ask a 6-7 lineman who he hates to go against the most, it’s a six-foot defensive lineman who is strong. Eventually, people will catch on. Josh Sitton told me his college coach used to make them sit in their squatted offensive lineman stance for a very long time when they were in college. They practiced squatting low. Well, if you’re already low, then you’re really giving yourself an advantage and giving them a disadvantage. If you can get up under somebody, that really helps a lot."

Being lower to the ground gives them excellent leverage on these freakishly tall O-linemen to get under them. Tall DEs also have their advantages with being able to their hands on the O-linemen and being able to get their hands up to bat down passes. There's room for both types in the NFL, but the short ones are probably under-appreciated at this point (which allows you to find gems later in the draft like we got Daniels in the 4th last year).

[skinny21]

1 gap 3-4:

NT - Baker*

DE - Jenkins, Cofield (DP and Worthington for depth)

OLB - Orakpo, Kerrigan (Jenkins, Tapp)

ILB - Riley, Robinson or FA or DP (DP or FA to compete with Robinson and either Compton or Barnett as depth)

4-3:

DT - Cofield, Jenkins/Baker (Worthington and Baker/Jenkins)

DE - Orakpo, Kerrigan (Tapp and Jenkins - if they're able)

SLB - Riley or Jackson or DP or FA

MLB - Riley or DP or FA

WLB - Robinson or DP or FA

Secondary is the same either way:

CB - Hall, Amerson or FA

Slot corner - FA (moves from outside to slot when Amerson comes in?)

SS - Thomas or Meriweather or FA (whoever loses the competition... Doughty/Gumbs is possible as well)

FS - FA (Rambo)

* I think Baker may walk unless we pay him and give him a good shot at starting. Offering him a position that fits him better (allows him to free lance a bit) could help lure him back.

[Laron Burgundy]

This post is completely tone deaf.

Shanahan is gone man. Having him here is toxic. His regime is a farce now. And Kyle Shanahan would be an awful hire for HC.

This roster isn't particularly talented compared to 2009 except at QB. Shanny's failed projects are going to bounce around the league and wash out the same as Gibbs's and Vinny's did.

 

And this post is completely wrong about the roster and at least uninformed on the coaching situation.  You know the huge incognito story in Miami?  Guess what, vast majority of that locker room does not give a damn about it.  Could be pretty similar here, as I think a lot of this drama has been purely media driven.  You may be right, maybe the team hates Shanahan.  As I said, if they do then let him go.  I'm not at all against firing him, but we're not really in a position to know the actual facts on the situation, only what the media wants to print to sell more advertisements.

 

And isn't particularly talented compared to 2009?  Who were our stud players who had at least 4 years of prime play on that roster?  Hall (who has had a great season, but let's not forget years of pretty awful play), Orakpo (year 5 and he's just NOW living up to his hype), and who else?  Jackson, who didn't show up until last year?  Fred Davis, who is over-rated around here and has a poisonous attitude?  Landry?  Injury prone and an average starter at best now. 

 

Now our roster has Trent, RG3, Morris, Garcon, Kerrigan, Amerson, Reed and Orakpo is still young enough to be in his prime the next 4 years.  That covers what is considered the 5 most important positions in football.  All this without FA money to spend and none of those guys are potential headaches (except maybe rg3, but that is probably more media).  And that's not counting young guys on our roster who may show up later like Jackson did.  I'm sorry, but anyone who thinks our roster isn't improved from 2009 is blindly anti-shanny, and you're better than that Steve.

[Laron Burgundy]

To fans and media, you're right that Shanahan is a joke right now. LG has a point though that if the players believe Shanahan is doing a good job and they've let him down (and want him back), then who cares what the outside world thinks? On the flip side, what's Snyder going to do, poll the players?

Probably best to break it off and start fresh. Let a new regime come in with almost a full draft and a good amount of cap space. Hopefully the learning curve of a new staff/system doesn't set us back.

 

Yes, Danny should do his due diligence and talk to his better players, especially his qb.  Obviously rg3 is frustrated, everyone gets frustrated with losing, but that doesn't mean you don't respect the coach or you have completely lost faith in him.  If the team has lost respect for Shanny, by all means fire him.  But if Shanny is brought back next year I, for one, will presume it's because the players want him back and not because Snyder cares about saving some money.

[Laron Burgundy]

Look at 2nd year DE Mike Daniels who's tied with Clay Matthews for first on the Packers in sacks. He's also 6'0". When asked if being shorter is detrimental, he responded, "Not at all. If you ask a 6-7 lineman who he hates to go against the most, it’s a six-foot defensive lineman who is strong. Eventually, people will catch on. Josh Sitton told me his college coach used to make them sit in their squatted offensive lineman stance for a very long time when they were in college. They practiced squatting low. Well, if you’re already low, then you’re really giving yourself an advantage and giving them a disadvantage. If you can get up under somebody, that really helps a lot."

 

 

Where do you guys use him?  Your defense always seems to run jumbo defensive linemen, so I'm guessing he's primarily a pass rush specialist, which is certainly a perk of being a solidly built team to be able to have specialists.

 

Donald (whoops, put Dobson in the earlier post) has dominated for 3 years, so I don't doubt that he'll find success in the nfl.  If he's there in the 2nd round I'm almost convinced we have to take him and find a spot.  If this guy was 6'4 300 he'd likely be the #1 pick over Clowney, that's how dominant his career has been.  I'm surprised I never heard of him before this thread.

 

As for safeties you may be interested in, check out Jonathan Dowling of WKU.  Perhaps it's because he plays inferior competition, but he makes things look easy.  Hard hitter and good ball skills, just an overall playmaker.  Has baggage though, but just like Burfict, if he goes as low as he's projected he might be one of the steals of the draft.  I wouldn't mind having him here at all, and we just drafted two safeties who I liked.

[Dukes and Skins]

Been watching Matt Hazel from Coastal Carolina lately and man... there's a lot of Justin Blackmon in his game. Strong player and makes some pretty damn impressive catches.

 

As for Aaron Donald, he's a lot like Geno Atkins to me in that he'll be overlooked due to his height, but end up being very good in the NFL with his leverage ability 

[martytheman]

Our 2009 Redskins...

 

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thats an awfully ****ty list.

There should still be a good many players from 2009 still in the NFL at least, or with the team.

pretty damning of what we had, it's amazing we won any games at all.

 

wonder what shanny's list will look like in 2017

That what I was thinking. I would love the addition of Angerer.

 

he just went on IR a few days ago, knee issues I think... that may put a crimp in people's plans for him.

[Laron Burgundy]

Been watching Matt Hazel from Coastal Carolina lately and man... there's a lot of Justin Blackmon in his game. Strong player and makes some pretty damn impressive catches.

 

As for Aaron Donald, he's a lot like Geno Atkins to me in that he'll be overlooked due to his height, but end up being very good in the NFL with his leverage ability 

 

You think teams make that same mistake twice?  I mean, maybe if Donald doesn't weigh above 290, but that guy was just as unstoppable as Geno, I don't think he slips out of the 2nd.  I would love if we got a draft like Shazier in the 2nd and Donald in the 3rd.  Would make for a very painless transition back to a 4-3 (or some hybrid looks) with two guys who bring speed and intimidation to the defense.

[PokerPacker]

Where do you guys use him?  Your defense always seems to run jumbo defensive linemen, so I'm guessing he's primarily a pass rush specialist, which is certainly a perk of being a solidly built team to be able to have specialists.

He primarily plays in the Nickel and Dime defenses as a pass-rusher (although he got into the act on Offense against the Cowboys coming in as an extra FB with Raji on the goal-line TD by Lacy). Our depth a D-line this season (which of course had to be pretty much the only position on our team not hit by injuries) has allowed us quite a few liberties. One of which is that it allows us to have completely different personnel for base 3-4 run-stuffing (Jolly, Pickett, and Raji the starters with Boyd and Wilson to rotate in), and then Nickel/Dime pass-rushing (Daniels, Jones, and maybe Worthy). It's also allowed us to transition Mike Neal from DE to OLB, who is having a career season as a result. Went from a 305 pound DE last season to a 273 pound OLB/DE hybrid, but he hasn't been needed much on the line (for anyone curious about how he lost all that weight over one offseason, http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/mike-neals-move-to-packers-linebacker-aided-by-off-season-diet-b99153973z1-234022771.html ).

As for safeties you may be interested in, check out Jonathan Dowling of WKU.  Perhaps it's because he plays inferior competition, but he makes things look easy.  Hard hitter and good ball skills, just an overall playmaker.  Has baggage though, but just like Burfict, if he goes as low as he's projected he might be one of the steals of the draft.  I wouldn't mind having him here at all, and we just drafted two safeties who I liked.

Well the Packers sure aren't afraid of drafting small-school players. Worked out quite nicely when we drafted Nick Collins (and if not for the freak neck injury, we'd have no need for a Safety). Didn't quite work out with Jerron McMillian, though. I'd be curious about his baggage, as the Packers go after high-character players, but they won't just rule a guy out without talking to him and judging their character for themselves. I'd hope we'd draft a safety before we get anywhere near his projected draft position, though. It's been a real sore spot for this team this season that needs to be addressed hopefully in the first three rounds.

You think teams make that same mistake twice?  I mean, maybe if Donald doesn't weigh above 290, but that guy was just as unstoppable as Geno, I don't think he slips out of the 2nd.  I would love if we got a draft like Shazier in the 2nd and Donald in the 3rd.  Would make for a very painless transition back to a 4-3 (or some hybrid looks) with two guys who bring speed and intimidation to the defense.

nfldraftscout has Donald listed at 285

[Dukes and Skins]

You think teams make that same mistake twice?  I mean, maybe if Donald doesn't weigh above 290, but that guy was just as unstoppable as Geno, I don't think he slips out of the 2nd.  I would love if we got a draft like Shazier in the 2nd and Donald in the 3rd.  Would make for a very painless transition back to a 4-3 (or some hybrid looks) with two guys who bring speed and intimidation to the defense.

 

Man if we walked out with Shazier and Donald in the 2nd and 3rd I might streak through Ashburn...... but not really 

[Laron Burgundy]

Well the Packers sure aren't afraid of drafting small-school players. Worked out quite nicely when we drafted Nick Collins (and if not for the freak neck injury, we'd have no need for a Safety). Didn't quite work out with Jerron McMillian, though. I'd be curious about his baggage, as the Packers go after high-character players, but they won't just rule a guy out without talking to him and judging their character for themselves. I'd hope we'd draft a safety before we get anywhere near his projected draft position, though. It's been a real sore spot for this team this season that needs to be addressed hopefully in the first three rounds.

 

 

His baggage, as far as I know, is laziness.  He skipped practices while on Florida til he was kicked off the team.  That was his freshman year, so maybe he has matured since that experience.

[Rakpwned427]

thats an awfully ****ty list.

There should still be a good many players from 2009 still in the NFL at least, or with the team.

pretty damning of what we had, it's amazing we won any games at all.

wonder what shanny's list will look like in 2017

he just went on IR a few days ago, knee issues I think... that may put a crimp in people's plans for him.

Yea definitely a knock on him. That is a tough position to have bad knees (alot of people piling and fall down around your knees). Might have to look elsewhere.

[JamesMadisonSkins]

I actually praised the hell out of Shanny's drafts. I still think he got some very good players. I'm especially hopeful of the 2013 draft when it's all said and done, I'm just frustrated that we haven't seen some guys like LeReibus, Gettis and Comptom in significant time. 

 

You really can't do much about injuries, either. Phil Thomas very well would have been our starting SS. Richard Crawford would have been on the field a lot, especially as a PR. Keenan Robinson likely would have replaced Fletch at some point already. Roy Helu, Jr. has shown he is a very capable back when he's healthy, and Jordan Reed was a legit Top 5 Fantasy TE before he got hurt again. 

 

It's also important to note that a lot of people thought Brandon Jenkins could have been a 1st or 2nd round pick if he hadn't missed his entire last season at FSU with an injury ... so I'm willing to chalk this year up to an adjustment year, but he could still really pan out.

 

I know Shanahan has a reputation of not playing young guys until they're ready ... but this team, as things played out this year, especially with the lack of depth due to the salary cap penalty ... is one where I would have liked to see more of the younger guys out there.

[Dukes and Skins]

Man if we could snag a guy like Matt Hazel around round 4-5 I would take him in a heartbeat. I really am liking what I'm seeing from him and if you develop him correctly he could be a damn good player for you 

[RemoveSnyder]

Man if we could snag a guy like Matt Hazel

 

There's really only one wide receiver from the state of North Carolina who I've been following for some time and that was Sean Price, formerly of Appalachian State. Unfortunately he's run afoul with the program, law and is no longer on the team.

October 13, 2013 - dismissed from the program due to repeated violations of team rules

 

He is draft eligible, but I have no idea what his future plans are. Trying to salvage a college career is probably best for him.

[RemoveSnyder]

Look, we all are susceptible to this phenomenon, which is, we look for the latest thing, the player we've yet to unearth, the need to cross reference everybody within a positional group and ultimately we have to become familiar with somewhere between 400 to 500 different players who are all draft eligible.

 

I get it. The process of honing in on one specific player is really fluid. Sometimes I naturally gravitate away from a player who I may have been very high on, in September or October, because of continued analysis, breakdown and further yielding of assessment of skills or whatever.

 

A recent example for me was with Phillip Thomas. By the time we got past the Senior Bowl, but because of the Senior Bowl week, I was basically luke warm on the guy, when conversely I was pretty well targeted on him in October. So, there is always fluctuation.

 

But sometimes, the opposite exists. Like when you continually get buoyed by a players skill and just know and never waiver. There was something just so, redeeming in TY Hilton's speed and intensity that was so consistent and unyielding, it really never changed. He was considered a 3rd rounder in September and remained that way all the way to April, when he actually was a 3rd round selection.

 

So sometimes things go right down the line. Every year I go through a natural process like that.

 

That said, there are always guys who we have followed since day 1, knew about them, knew we wanted them under certain circumstances, but we always seem to quibble about whether they would be available, whether we would be in range, or simply if we could afford this certain player while trying to crack the investment vs. yield matrix.

 

Often times we simply get focused on needs and end up selecting a lineman based upon these various assumptions, only to which later we wished, we had selected the wide receiver we had been following for the last two to three years.

Rutgers WR Brandon Coleman on decision to declare for the NFL Draft: I'm ready

http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/index.ssf/2013/12/rutgers_wr_brandon_coleman_on_decision_to_declare_for_the_nfl_draft_im_ready.html

Coleman announced following practice today that he will forgo his final year of eligibility by entering his name into the NFL Draft this spring

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People seem to forget just how BIG Coleman really is. I mean just recalculate to yourself how many times you've seen NFL front offices just get slap happy over measurables. Now ... think about this, Coleman is actually bigger than Alshon Jeffery.

 

We've got some serious range detecting to go through here.

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6-6, 225-pounder from Accokeek, Md.

Rated as a potential second-round pick a year ago when he caught 43 passes for 718 yards and tied the school single-season record with 10 TD receptions, Coleman has seen his draft status take a hit this year, with career lows in yardage, yards per catch and TDs.

 

The same player who once tantalized by totaling 186 yards and two TDs in one quarter (vs. Connecticut in 2011) didn’t have a 100-yard game this season. He heads into the bowl with 32 catches for 473 yards and three TDs (just one since the opener).

 

^ This is where stats lie. There was no mention a the crappy (inconsistent) play of Nova (QB) and the rotation of QBs inserted from time to time, from game to game. The raw material is still there for Coleman. You know darn well that execs are loving the idea of getting Coleman later in the draft, than what was thought of his range a year ago, at this time.

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Coleman – who is one TD catch shy of tying Tim Brown’s career mark of 20 – “still has second-round ability, but he has to prove it.”

 

“He has to ace his workouts and the physical because his season didn’t back up being drafted that high,” said Frank Coyle of DraftInsiders.com

 

If it comes to measurables, I'm sure Coleman will impress. And the NFL is all about measurables.

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I'm glad this video has no sound because you simply have to focus on the man himself without any nonsense invading your perception of the game. Just look at the size and the apparent attempt of Coleman, himself, to look like a refined, traditional, outside receiver.

 

He at least displays hands away from the body, a decent release, some gliding out of the breaks, some rounded off edges but overall a massive target with diverse enough skill to be a traditional X, boundary guy on the outside, as well as a Colston-esque Slot, who happens to have decent hands.

 

Brandon Coleman vs Fresno State (2013)