HailToTheRedskins14 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/sns-rt-fbn-newssxc1be6a1-20121129,0,2109784.story Former LSU cornerback Tyrann Mathieu plans to declare himself eligible for the next NFL draft, a source close to the player told ESPN.com.The Heisman Trophy finalist was suspended and fast-rising NFL prospect was suspended for this season after failing an August drug test, and entered a treatment program. He was arrested last month with three former teammates on a possession of marijuana charge. Mathieu and Jordan Jefferson were later released. Last I heard, he was gonna sit out a year and then go back to LSU next year. But I think that was before he got arrested AGAIN. I was hoping he got his head on straight. That said, I would be a hypocrit if I tried to point my finger at a dude for smoking weed. It's not a violent crime, so I don't think it makes him a bad person. But really...the point of this thread is....SHOULD WE? I guess he'll have to enter the NFL on that probation thing where he's already getting drug tested and going to checkups or whatever. But we need secondary help badly, and he'll obviously slide out of the 1st round. I'm thinking he'll be 3rd rounder at the highest. We might luck out on this one. Of course, I know plenty here will say to stay away, he's not worth the risk, he's a troublemaker, he's a thug, etc. Maybe so, who knows. But dude can play football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 With his issues he might get drafted but he'll need a great combine to go 4th round or better IMO. Risk is way too high. If the skins drafted him in the 5th or later I wouldn't mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacon Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 He's undersized and lacks discipline. If we spend a 5th, 6th or 7th pick on him, that would be OK. Any higher wouldn't be worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Anyone who tries to pick him in the first 4 rounds is retarded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 All BS aside, I'm just not convinced he's all that good. Lots and lots of hype, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinklein Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 All BS aside, I'm just not convinced he's all that good. Lots and lots of hype, yes. He sure as **** was good at the college level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeluCopter29 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 I'll take a late round flier on him. Anything to help the secondary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarrellsMyHero28 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Honestly, from what I've read/seen/heard from LSU fans his coverage skills just aren't very impressive. He's a DHall with poorer cover skills but better return skills. No interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 He sure as **** was good at the college level. I saw him get beat like a drum against some mediocre talent. Like I said, it was more hype than anything. Is he good? Yes, he is good. Is he as good as the hype machine warranted? Not close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HailToTheRedskins14 Posted November 30, 2012 Author Share Posted November 30, 2012 Okay, maybe he's not a first or second round guy, but yall are underrating him to say he's not that good. Sure there was some hype to add to it, but he was a playmaker as a sophomore. Actually, he was a beast. He has return skills like Patrick Peterson. He singlehandedly won multiple games on defense and special teams. He's a special talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bricucci Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 We will see how he grades out. Hard to stamp someone with a character issue at 19. Trent Williams had alot of tags coming out and stumbled last year also, but has turned it around. The kid didn't get drummed, may have been beat a few times, but is a playmaker. Definately worth a 4th round possibly 3rd round pick on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#98QBKiller Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Okay, maybe he's not a first or second round guy, but yall are underrating him to say he's not that good. Sure there was some hype to add to it, but he was a playmaker as a sophomore. Actually, he was a beast. He has return skills like Patrick Peterson. He singlehandedly won multiple games on defense and special teams. He's a special talent. Exactly. The guy is a playmaker plain and simple. But he does come with some baggage. If our staff went in and talked to him and decided that his baggage is a thing of the past and wanted to draft him at some point, I wouldn't be upset at all. I'm just hoping we take the best safety available when we pick in the 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unforgiven Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Pass. He's got character issues and is undersized for the NFL with teams shifting away to larger corners. His skills in the secondary weren't all that impressive anyway, inconsistent is a good way to describe it. He's good in the return game but I would have no interest in spending a draft pick on a 5' 9" cornerback with character issues and questionable cover skills just because he ran return some punts/kicks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Gadsden Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Not to hijack, but aren't we getting Minnifield back next year? Or did he sign somewhere else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Exactly. The guy is a playmaker plain and simple. But he does come with some baggage. If our staff went in and talked to him and decided that his baggage is a thing of the past and wanted to draft him at some point, I wouldn't be upset at all. I'm just hoping we take the best safety available when we pick in the 2nd. But can he cover an NFL wide receiver consistently? I've heard all about him being a playmaker, particularly in forcing fumbles, but I don't hear people describe him as a consistent cover corner and that's the most important part of a defensive backs game. That's not even taking into account the risk of giving a kid unable to stop involving himself with illegal drugs a large paycheck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeMarco Murray 29 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 But can he cover an NFL wide receiver consistently? I've heard all about him being a playmaker, particularly in forcing fumbles, but I don't hear people describe him as a consistent cover corner and that's the most important part of a defensive backs game. That's not even taking into account the risk of giving a kid unable to stop involving himself with illegal drugs a large paycheck. I don't see him as a top flight cover corner. Last year, Mo Claiborne usually locked down the teams #1. Honey Badger played a ton of slot, blitzing etc. "He's a great ball hawk, but he won't even be the best cover corner LSU has this year," says KC Joyner, football analyst for ESPN. "If you put Mathieu on a Big Ten defense, no one is talking about him for Heisman. He wouldn't even be one of the top four corners in the Big 12." If what Joyner is peddling seems like heresy -- he is, after all, slagging the winner of the 2011 Chuck Bednarik Award for outstanding defensive player of the year -- consider that Joyner studied film of LSU this offseason, focusing on the seven best offensive teams the Tigers faced in 2011. In those games, Joyner found that Mathieu was targeted 25 times and allowed 14 completions for 221 yards, an average of 8.8 yards per attempt. By comparison, Mathieu's teammate, Tharold Simon, was targeted 30 times and surrendered just 12 completions for 108 yards, an average of 3.6 yards per attempt. Joyner's skepticism is shared by many NFL scouts. Says one: "He's made his name off instincts and amazing return skills. He's excellent at diagnosing plays and at covering stuff thrown in front of him. But the jury's out on him being able to run with and cover high-level receivers. He has a long, leggy body and a short torso, which makes him a wait-and-see prospect. And NFL teams don't spend first-round picks on corners who might not be able to cover." http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8240140/lsu-db-tyrann-mathieu-well-known-phenom-limits-media-espn-magazine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsiaticSkinsFan Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 undersized cornerback? nah, I'll pass but I wouldnt mind dude as a later round pick for his return skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#98QBKiller Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 But can he cover an NFL wide receiver consistently? I've heard all about him being a playmaker, particularly in forcing fumbles, but I don't hear people describe him as a consistent cover corner and that's the most important part of a defensive backs game. That's not even taking into account the risk of giving a kid unable to stop involving himself with illegal drugs a large paycheck. He's not a great cover corner. But he's fast, hits hard, forces fumbles and gets interceptions. If his baggage is no longer an issue, he's a great 3rd-4th round pick, especially with our secondary needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.C.O.L.B. Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/sns-rt-fbn-newssxc1be6a1-20121129,0,2109784.story....... That said, I would be a hypocrit if I tried to point my finger at a dude for smoking weed. It's not a violent crime, so I don't think it makes him a bad person. See the issue isn't smoking weed and getting high. In and of itself. It's the fact that he has SO MUCH on the line and he can't stop himself. That is scary. That's the definition of a "red flag". That said, one name: Brandon Banks. **** yeah ill take a 5th round flyer on dude. And if he can actually be a decent DB, even as just a nickle, all bonus then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
757SeanTaylor21 Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 Why not have him as a ss/fs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoney26 Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 Janoris Jenkins seems to be woking out pretty well in STL. Are their games comparable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 I would take him over Brandon Banks right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsfan07 Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 Why not have him as a ss/fs? He's way too ****ing small. He's like 5'8. And he CAN'T COVER. Got exposed against Bama. He's a kr/pr/gadget guy at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeMarco Murray 29 Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 Janoris Jenkins seems to be woking out pretty well in STL.Are their games comparable? No. Jenkins was a shut down corner at Florida. He shut down Julio Jones, A.J. Green and the rest of the SEC. Honey Badger was the 3rd best corner on his team! Patrick Peterson > Mo Claiborne > Tharold Simon > ...... Honey Badger way over here lol. He's going to be a luxury pick to a team in the 3rd/4th round. Throw him on a team like Baltimore, Pittsburgh, San Fran, he will be a stud. Throw him somewhere like Jacksonville, Kansas City, Philly, he will stink it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
757SeanTaylor21 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 I mean bob sanders was around 5'8" all he would have to do is bulk up a little bit and have him in the box. He likes to hit has a nose for the ball and can play some db for the dime or quarter def. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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