SnyderShrugged Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 I just wish the league would have had some hard rules instead of this wishy washy bull****. The league caused its own grief by going into a bunch of grey instead of black and white. They (and Mara) caused us the most grief though, and another $ 18M bend over coming next season too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jp03 Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 They (and Mara) caused us the most grief though, and another $ 18M bend over coming next season too. Aren't they still fighting the penalty for next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0crates Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Aren't they still fighting the penalty for next year? No real word on this yet, although it might be interesting to see what happens on this front in the off-season. As it stands now, the 'skins and 'boys were unable to have their appeal heard by the arbitrator. The NFLPA is pursuing action against the league in a related matter (which Mara opened the door to by effectively admitting collusion), but it is not clear that this action could benefit the aggrieved teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jp03 Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 No real word on this yet, although it might be interesting to see what happens on this front in the off-season. As it stands now, the 'skins and 'boys were unable to have their appeal heard by the arbitrator. The NFLPA is pursuing action against the league in a related matter (which Mara opened the door to by effectively admitting collusion), but it is not clear that this action could benefit the aggrieved teams. Well, at least now I get what happened.I still say there was some wrongdoing on the teams part, BUT I think one year was a more appropriate penalty not two (no idea on the dollar amount) . The more I read the more baffling it really is. I was better off with my head in the sand Another note: Mara on the board is a conflict of interest.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0crates Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Well, at least now I get what happened.I still say there was some wrongdoing on the teams part, BUT I think one year was a more appropriate penalty not two (no idea on the dollar amount) . The more I read the more baffling it really is. I was better off with my head in the sand Again I appreciate that you, as an opposing fan, took the time to understand what all the fuss is about. Another note: Mara on the board is a conflict of interest.... This is the key issue to me, and this is the main reason 'skins fans have so much animosity towards the man. I'm happy you acknowledge it. The unfortunate thing is that most of us had nothing but respect for Wellington Mara, it is a shame to see John Mara drag his family's good name through the mud like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jp03 Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Again I appreciate that you, as an opposing fan, took the time to understand what all the fuss is about.This is the key issue to me, and this is the main reason 'skins fans have so much animosity towards the man. I'm happy you acknowledge it. The unfortunate thing is that most of us had nothing but respect for Wellington Mara, it is a shame to see John Mara drag his family's good name through the mud like this. I honestly had not come to the forum much over the years, but when I did come the Giants seemed to have most fans respect. A shame something off the field had to turn that. Yea, he should have separated himself from the punishment and let it be handled elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 I honestly had not come to the forum much over the years, but when I did come the Giants seemed to have most fans respect. A shame something off the field had to turn that.Yea, he should have separated himself from the punishment and let it be handled elsewhere. Well I for one still respect the fan base. Although they are pretty easy to parody. Tell me half your fan base isn't Carl from Aqua Teen Hunger Force. It's your team I hate. And I've always hated them. This debacle just took it to a new level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jp03 Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Well I for one still respect the fan base. Although they are pretty easy to parody. Tell me half your fan base isn't Carl from Aqua Teen Hunger Force.It's your team I hate. And I've always hated them. This debacle just took it to a new level. MOST Giant fans I know are quite humble. Don't take this wrong but 2 SB's in 5 years brings a level of confidence in the team that is impossible to describe. Problem is it brings bandwagon jumpers on...those are the *******s mostly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 I still respect the fan base as well. The Old Guard respect I had for the franchise is all gone though. This year they are at least tied with the Cowboys on my hate-o-meter, and that's saying something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinner144 Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 I did not read the entire thread here but I have thought the whole thing was bull**** from the day it started, i personally think Mara did this because his team was so close to cap, ironically they were 700,000 over with our extra 1.6 million and had to restructure contracts, i think was a conspiracy to allow giants to keep them from having to dump players they wanted for another playoff run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squatch66 Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 rather than dwell on it i would rather revel in the fact that we are playing them for first ****ing place this weekend!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Again I appreciate that you, as an opposing fan, took the time to understand what all the fuss is about.This is the key issue to me, and this is the main reason 'skins fans have so much animosity towards the man. I'm happy you acknowledge it. The unfortunate thing is that most of us had nothing but respect for Wellington Mara, it is a shame to see John Mara drag his family's good name through the mud like this. Echoing both points there. Thanks jp03 for coming at this in a civilised, purely inquisitive manner. And for not getting all defensive therein. It's appreciated that a fellow football fan would take the time to find out the ins and outs on this sham and give an honest opinion in a respectful manner. And mores the pity John isn't like his father, who was a great man. Both in and out of football. I still respect the fan base as well. The Old Guard respect I had for the franchise is all gone though. This year they are at least tied with the Cowboys on my hate-o-meter, and that's saying something. That alone makes me hate (a strong word, but man does it apply when it comes to my feelings on him) Mara even more. Aside from anything else, anyone that can get me (and I'll go further than Henry has) to favour the Cowboys over them deserves my utter disdain. :mad: Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted October 20, 2012 Author Share Posted October 20, 2012 Bump for the weekend crowd that'll flood in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildbill1952 Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 Ahh, but one prison detainee who is found not to have committed the original crime is expected go without compensation? If no law is broken, then no punishment should be meted out. Yet the Skins were. It's one way or the other. Either there was collusion among NFL owners/teams on the salaries paid or the Skins were innocent. If there was no collusion, then the Skins could not be at fault for obeying a rule that they never talked about. If they did talk about tit then the NFL is guilty of collusion. In unfair labor practices, that would make the teams liable for triple the actual damages. Go Mara. I hope you get it the way you gave it to the Skins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rey Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 **** Mara. This guy is a cancer to the NFL, and should be eradicated along with Roger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kostaskins Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 Ok question here. If the nflpa wins the lawsuit is there any way we could argue on our behalf as well? I mean if they win does that not leave a hole to this whole situation..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOF44 Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 Ok question here. If the nflpa wins the lawsuit is there any way we could argue on our behalf as well?I mean if they win does that not leave a hole to this whole situation..... I doubt it. However the damages that would come down if the union won would so piss off the owners that I doubt you would see Mara in charge of anything again. Might even sink Goodell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrFan Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 Some reading material from Mike Florio (who is a Steelers fan, grew up in WVA, and is NOT a Redskins fan like you numskulls thought last spring), who did a fantastic job covering the story. Probably because a few years ago he was the only one to pick the Redskins to win the Super Bowl ? Florio is a lifelong fan of the Minnesota Vikings. Some Steelers fans even think he hates the Steelers: "When Mike Florio over at ProFootballTalk posted the Ta’amu story, he threw in a shot about how Steelers in Pittsburgh can get away with anything. Some Steeler fans on twitter didn’t like that and saw it as more evidence of Mike’s anti-Steeler bias. He's doing a good job of keeping us updated about it, I wish someone will sue Mara/Goodell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kostaskins Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 At least florio has the guts not to let this die! Love it! Keep the topic alive mike! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoBob Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 ...bump, just so any Midget fans see this at the top of the board if they visit over then next 11 days.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeluCopter29 Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 ...bump, just so any Midget fans see this at the top of the board if they visit over then next 11 days.... **** John Mara. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 This thread really should be the first permy stickied thread to remind anyone and everyone who ever say's 'let it go' again just why this needs to brought up each and every time we play New Jersey's team. Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kostaskins Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 The real reason y the jersey midgets <edit rule violation---one week ban> owner cheater is simple. He could get away with it!! Mara and Godell agreed the punishment over bumping uglies not over a respectable hand shake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FanboyOf91 Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Remember, friends, due to the perfidy of Wellington's slithery afterbirth, we will not see the full potential of RGIII and the Washingon Redskins until 2014. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amm0409 Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Have I said that I hate John Mara yet? He didn't want us to surpass all the other teams in the NFC east. To think, "what if" we had that extra money? Hmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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