DjTj Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Not at all. I just think that Mitt has been successful in getting things done in his life. I don't view him as set in his ways as I think Obama is.Well, of course your opinion of Romney is different from your opinion of Obama. I'm pretty sure that most Obama supporters don't look at Romney the way that you do either. I'm just saying that the optimistic view you have of a possible Romney Presidency is very similar to the optimistic view of Obama supporters in 2008 (or of many other campaigns in the past). But the reality of Washington tends to make it much harder to get things done, despite any past successes of the candidate. Every President has an accomplished past, and every President meets challenges in the White House that are more difficult than their supporters expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCClybun Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 But then, that's just an opinion. (Based on seeing this dance, before.) I think that's my biggest issue; the completely and utter unwillingness to change based on any sort of historical presidence. And it's a part of the party's intellectual dishonesty; how many people in Washington actually believe that doing the same thing that keeps proving itself to be unsuccessful will suddenly work? Mitt Romney's whole pitch for this scheme basically amounts to "Hey, I know it didn't work before, but trust me, even though every feasible measure of my plan says that it doesn't work, it'll still work!". And Republicans buy it, because their either 1.) woefully ignorant or 2.) willingly ignorant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stadium-Armory Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 lulz http://www.romneytaxplan.com/ Curious what he has to say about his plan tonight when pressed by O. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 What is Obama going to do differently than he has? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stadium-Armory Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Reports are that he will be more aggressive. We shall see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulane Skins Fan Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Reports are that he will be more aggressive. We shall see. Can't be less aggressive, can he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deejaydana Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Can't be less aggressive, can he? Is he just out of his league? I mean, we all know he does very well when he's working from a script (not just a teleprompter) but within a setting when he's not forced to go off his message. I'm not just trying to pan him, I'd like to see a good debate from both of them. Don't know exactly how well the whole town hall set up really works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCClybun Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Is he just out of his league? I mean, we all know he does very well when he's working from a script (not just a teleprompter) but within a setting when he's not forced to go off his message. I'm not just trying to pan him, I'd like to see a good debate from both of them. Don't know exactly how well the whole town hall set up really works. No, we don't all know that. You and other conservatives assume that because it better serves the "Obama is an empty suit and kind of aloof" narrative. Also, show me a politician that ISN'T better working off a script. I can think of one; Clinton. Everyone else? Not so much... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulane Skins Fan Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Is he just out of his league? I mean, we all know he does very well when he's working from a script (not just a teleprompter) but within a setting when he's not forced to go off his message. I'm not just trying to pan him, I'd like to see a good debate from both of them. Don't know exactly how well the whole town hall set up really works. C'mon... Obama is "out of his league" with Romney? I just said he can't be less aggressive than he was in the first debate. Can he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deejaydana Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 C'mon... Obama is "out of his league" with Romney? I just said he can't be less aggressive than he was in the first debate. Can he? Well, if you watched that first debate it's not unreasonable to think he might be out of his league. He got his *** handed to him all night long. I'm just interested to see what he does differently. Like I said, if Obama works from a script he can do ok, if not, well we'll have to see. ---------- Post added October-16th-2012 at 02:05 PM ---------- No, we don't all know that. You and other conservatives assume that because it better serves the "Obama is an empty suit and kind of aloof" narrative.Also, show me a politician that ISN'T better working off a script. I can think of one; Clinton. Everyone else? Not so much... Ah yes, only Clinton can work off the top of his head. ---------- Post added October-16th-2012 at 02:03 PM ---------- No, we don't all know that. You and other conservatives assume that because it better serves the "Obama is an empty suit and kind of aloof" narrative.Also, show me a politician that ISN'T better working off a script. I can think of one; Clinton. Everyone else? Not so much... Ah yes, only Clinton can work off the top of his head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 you should avoid using head in the same sentence as Clinton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 My theme song for tonight's debate. Seems appropriate for our approach to elections. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjdWc6yTZRs&feature=youtube_gdata_player "Burn me, beat me, abuse me, lie to me and I'll love you all the more!!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrong Direction Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 C'mon... Obama is "out of his league" with Romney? I just said he can't be less aggressive than he was in the first debate. Can he? Romney made a ton of money because he was very competent. He saved the olympics because he was very competent. He made deals with D's in Mass because he was competent. It's very possible that he's totally out of Obama's league. It's also possible that Obama finds his mojo tonight and changes the course of the election again. I wouldn't discard either possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiebear Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 My theme song for tonight's debate. Seems appropriate for our approach to elections.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjdWc6yTZRs&feature=youtube_gdata_player "Burn me, beat me, abuse me, lie to me and I'll love you all the more!!" and whomever lies and abuses the most will win this debate, based on previous debates.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrong Direction Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Essentially.... this is not sound economics. I disagree with this as a blanket statement. There's a ton of economic literature out there, much of which isn't as simplistic as we're talking about here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 and whomever lies and abuses the most will win this debate, based on previous debates.... Yep, the spoils go to the best liar! We know it, and yet we still play the game! IMO this video/song is a perfect reflection of the electorate who keep returning to those who they know are lying to them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCClybun Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Yes, I'll agree---Mitt Romney was very successful was great at dismantling companies, putting Americans our of work, outsourcing jobs over seas and making a huge profit. He also dealt out 800 vetoes in his time as governor that his Democratic legislature had to then override. Yay for working with Democrats. And he's awesome at dodging paying taxes on his obscene amount of wealth. Yup. Mitt's successful all right. Much more than Obama. What did that guy ever do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deejaydana Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Yes, I'll agree---Mitt Romney was very successful was great at dismantling companies, putting Americans our of work, outsourcing jobs over seas and making a huge profit. I think this is what I find lacking in posts like this one. You sketch his entire tenure in business as being a simple 'zero sum' equation. He outsourced you cry! But you neglect to mention the companies which he built (or turned around) in the U.S. which employed Americans. The fat cat businessman is such an easy picture to paint for some people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCClybun Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 I think this is what I find lacking in posts like this one. You sketch his entire tenure in business as being a simple 'zero sum' equation. He outsourced you cry! But you neglect to mention the companies which he built (or turned around) in the U.S. which employed Americans. The fat cat businessman is such an easy picture to paint for some people. Oh I'll admit he turned some companies around, and he's to be somewhat commended by him. I'm sure he's a job creator on some level. That doesn't change that I think he's a scummy guy, and that while he's been successful in business, he's largely done so on the backs of others, and done so in less-than-Presidential ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebluefood Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 I really don't want to watch this, but since I host a political talk show on the campus radio station, I need to talk about something. Meanwhile, I found this debate much more enjoyable. (NSFW, language) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebluefood Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/16/hofstra-debate-jill-stein-arrested-green-party_n_1971960.html?utm_hp_ref=elections-2012 Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein was arrested outside of Hofstra University on Tuesday after attempted to enter debate grounds.According to Stein's campaign press statement, Stein and running mate Cheri Honkala joined supporters outside the Hofstra campus at 2pm, where Stein declared, "We are here to bring the courage of those excluded from our politics to this mock debate, this mockery of democracy." When they started to walk onto the debate grounds, they were stopped by police officers, and then the two women sat down on the ground. Student-run news organization Long Island Report posted a video of Stein and Honkala sitting, with an officer arguing, "You're blocking traffic." After Honkala stated, "We want to practice our first amendment rights," the police can been seen removing the women from the ground and leading them away. According to the campaign, Stein and Honkala were then arrested. Press contact Glenn Turner confirmed to HuffPost that Stein was arrested and as of early Tuesday evening was still in jail, charged with disorderly conduct. Good on Jill Stein for taking a stand against this farce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiebear Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 So the War on women was against the Green Party? Running for the President means being arrested for showing up at a 2 party debate, how dare you girls, how dare you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/16/hofstra-debate-jill-stein-arrested-green-party_n_1971960.html?utm_hp_ref=elections-2012Good on Jill Stein for taking a stand against this farce. Be grateful to live in a country where there's still an illusion of having a choice of farce. Some places don't enjoy that illusion and don't even have a flavor variety for their farce. :pfft: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebluefood Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Be grateful to live in a country where there's still an illusion of having a choice of farce. Some places don't enjoy that illusion and don't even have a flavor variety for their farce. :pfft: Wise words, Jumbo; but as an American, I've been spoiled and I want the real thing. I know, I'm a real glutton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCClybun Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Stupid question from the young guy; why was it that Ross Perot was allowed at those debates in the early 90s. There hasn't been an independent candidate in a debate sense then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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