SIXPHO Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 I don't know why don't you ask Matt Cassell. You're comparing Apples and Oranges again. Because that's where the "debate" has gotten, it's ridiculous and I am going to point out as irrelevant comparisons that have been made here. People have their opinions, cool... Trying to haggle all day long over the past and all these "what ifs" is for the birds. I'm sure our coaches are completely onboard with the mindset that whatever was last year or the years before matters.... Oh wait, they nor any realistic fan are. It's the here and now, which Jackson played very well- proved he CAN catch and make a play. People want to dig up stats and kick a dead horse, he had 29.5 sacks over the course of 3 years... So I use a stat and show how in one play in a second string, practice squad, hasn't made the team in 5 years, blah blah blah blah blah... Actually CAUGHT a ball and has more INT's than their future HOF"er's career. Continue on with a constant kicking of a dead horse and bleeding your man-crush gets a response with as much care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogofWar1 Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 It's pretty simple. Snorfle guffick blemph, and if you stop and look at the reality of gizloople scrunt taboorri and notice that we have kerpoppled dervistenplud the meepstedat in the past, it's hard to argue. People like to just colergizput. Quoted for truth. That's Jumbo, always right to the heart of the matter. Can we just enjoy the fact that, for at least one more year, we can have our cake (Orakpo) and eat it too (Jackson) for reasonable cost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIXPHO Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 It's pretty simple. Snorfle guffick blemph, and if you stop and look at the reality of gizloople scrunt taboorri and notice that we have kerpoppled dervistenplud the meepstedat in the past, it's hard to argue. People like to just colergizput. How can you say that? In 1979 gas was 2 blue crayons and a twizzler. DUH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustangSteve Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 No, I think we should take who is a defensive end and pass rush specialist and put him back to his original position where he could excel and where he belongs. RAK could have been another Dexter Manley if he would have been put in his original position, instead of made to chase around and try to cover WR's and TE's. More proof Haslett is a complete idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poman Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 Is anybody on our defense "expendable"? With as poor as the defense as a whole has been playing, I would think holding onto whatever actual talent we have for dear life would be the proper course of action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman21ST Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 Just so I understand, That wasn't the Patriots in the Super Bowl last February? FYI...These are two completely different situations. The Patriots were up against it financially (The Skins will have $18Mil of space whe B.O.'s deal expires) and they had other starters' contracts coming due (See: Wilfork, Vince). On top of that, they fleeced an old man in FUBU gear and a wax pencil from the Jack Tatum days. :cool2: I never said anything about the state of the team. Their defense though, has been pretty bad since they got rid of Seymour. ---------- Post added September-26th-2012 at 06:08 PM ---------- No, I think we should take who is a defensive end and pass rush specialist and put him back to his original position where he could excel and where he belongs. RAK could have been another Dexter Manley if he would have been put in his original position, instead of made to chase around and try to cover WR's and TE's.More proof Haslett is a complete idiot. Rak played linebacker in the 4-3 under Blatche. When we drafted him Zorn, Cerrato, and Blatche put him at LB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman21ST Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 No, I think we should take who is a defensive end and pass rush specialist and put him back to his original position where he could excel and where he belongs. RAK could have been another Dexter Manley if he would have been put in his original position, instead of made to chase around and try to cover WR's and TE's.More proof Haslett is a complete idiot. Rak played linebacker in the 4-3 under Blatche. When we drafted him Zorn, Cerrato, and Blatche put him at LB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Higgs44 Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 Id deal him if the price is right, no doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Washington Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 expendable? I wouldn't say that at all. Unless someone is offering a number 1 pick or multiple 2s or 3s, I wouldn't get rid of him. The whole point of the draft is to get talent and Orakpo is talent. If Jackson turns into a Pro Bowler, I'd still keep Orakpo and trade Jackson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCClybun Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 Rak played linebacker in the 4-3 under Blatche. When we drafted him Zorn, Cerrato, and Blatche put him at LB. People tend to forget that he played defensive end AND SAM linebacker his rookie season. Rak was always a hybrid guy, even coming out of UT he was described as a tweener. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabR Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 Does Rob Jackson make Orakpo expendable? I will let you know when the season i over. I do think Orakpo is now going to have a on going problem with his arm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GibbsFactor Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 I think we could and should do better. He's not explosive enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskindan07 Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 Trade him to St Louis for some picks!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins4Life6388 Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 I feel like I'm one of the few that has been overall disappointed by Rak's production. He seems like a guy with the size and speed to be able to be putting up big numbers but is still struggling to adjust to the 3-4 OLB. Then I see a guy like Aldon Smith just tear it up last year, and to a lesser extent, Rak's teammate #91. Rak seems to only have one rush move and if that doesnt work than he cant get to the QB. With all that said, I still think the guy is a talent and I DO believe he can improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDane Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 Chris Clemons. Just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-bomb Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 if anything I would trade jackson, especially if he has a 10 sack season an plays light's out get a 3rd or 4th rndr would be nice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobGriffin Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 I feel like I'm one of the few that has been overall disappointed by Rak's production. He seems like a guy with the size and speed to be able to be putting up big numbers but is still struggling to adjust to the 3-4 OLB. Then I see a guy like Aldon Smith just tear it up last year, and to a lesser extent, Rak's teammate #91. Rak seems to only have one rush move and if that doesnt work than he cant get to the QB. With all that said, I still think the guy is a talent and I DO believe he can improve. You do know that almost every player in the 49ers front seven is superior to ours ?? Aldon Smith was not getting double teamed last year. Most likely wont this year. Just Smith eats babies ---------- Post added September-26th-2012 at 07:31 PM ---------- if anything I would trade jackson, especially if he has a 10 sack season an plays light's out get a 3rd or 4th rndr would be nice! How about we keep rak and jackson and rush all 3 on passing downs ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins4Life6388 Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 You do know that almost every player in the 49ers front seven is superior to ours ?? Aldon Smith was not getting double teamed last year. Most likely wont this year. Just Smith eats babiesOh I know...no debating they're superior. Just stating that he as a rookie already seemed to make the transition much easier, as did Kerrigan. I have nothing against Rak and think he is a fine player, just not that 12-15 sacks a year guy everyone was hoping/expecting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobGriffin Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 You do know that almost every player in the 49ers front seven is superior to ours ?? Aldon Smith was not getting double teamed last year. Most likely wont this year. Just Smith eats babiesOh I know...no debating they're superior. Just stating that he as a rookie already seemed to make the transition much easier, as did Kerrigan. I have nothing against Rak and think he is a fine player, just not that 12-15 sacks a year guy everyone was hoping/expecting. Can't argue with Aldon's sack numbers but. He was a situational pass rusher however. At this point he is not the complete LB Rak is. Not saying that he can't be but literally all he did last year was pass rush. It's hard to say how good Rak was going to be this year but he was flashing A LOT in the 5-6 quarters he played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laxpunk2006 Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Did you know that Kerrigan, a rookie, drew more Double teams than Rak last year? True story... watch the tape. I take it this means you've charted all of their snaps from 2011? How many double teams did each player draw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 I think we could and should do better. He's not explosive enough. Athleticism certainly isn't his problem. He draws more penalties than anyone because he is so fast and powerful. There is a lot of bad information in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsfan1993 Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 No, I think we should take who is a defensive end and pass rush specialist and put him back to his original position where he could excel and where he belongs. RAK could have been another Dexter Manley if he would have been put in his original position, instead of made to chase around and try to cover WR's and TE's.More proof Haslett is a complete idiot. while i agree with your statement about haslett, rak was already a LB in 2009, a full year before the new coaching staff. blame greg blache for putting him as a OLB in a 4-3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSUSkins24 Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 I have nothing against Rak and think he is a fine player, just not that 12-15 sacks a year guy everyone was hoping/expecting. This response is less a response to you and more to this thread, but why can't we be happy with a fine player? Even if he isn't the dominant pass rusher we were hoping for. Why are we on ES always looking to get rid of somebody? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFTW Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Chris Clemons.Just saying. Yeah it's like we are the new Cardinals in the NFCE, lol. Players repeatedly leave and become Pro Bowlers or at least start for several seasons elsewhere. Orakpo would end up on the Pats, Bears, or Chargers and have 2-3 15-20 sack seasons in a row. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lavarleap56 Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 1.We already dangled Orakpo when trying to trade with St.Louis this offseason. 2.Orakpo will be a FA after 2013 so time is now to figure out what you have in Jackson 3.Teams like the Steelers let LBs walk and have replacements all the time 4.Kerrigan is playing like our best LB right now. How much do you pay Rak when Kerrigan will need a deal shortly after? Bruce has already shown he wont just overpay to keep people. Best LB will be the highest paid LB. 5. Jackson over the years has always came in and produced so sunday was not a surprise. 6. People in the organization have wondered what they really have in Jackson 7. How much if any is Jackson a fall off from Rak has already been discussed at length in Ashburn, 8. Anyone notice how quick the team removed Orakpo from redskins.com backround once he was injured? A day later they had London up there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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