Champskins Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/redskins-fans-may-want-to-keep-an-eye-on-north-dakota-tonight/2012/06/12/gJQAKL21XV_blog.html <----- for entire article Redskins fans may want to keep an eye on North Dakota tonight Posted by Aaron Blake at 03:20 PM ET, 06/12/2012 Washington Redskins fans who treasure their team’s nickname may want to cast their eyes westward tonight as North Dakotans vote on whether to preserve their team’s own divisive mascot. The North Dakota Fighting Sioux hockey team. (AP Photo/Jim Mone, File) Measure 4 in North Dakota is one of the most significant developments in the decades-long controversy over American Indian mascots used by colleges and pro sports teams. The University of North Dakota’s “Fighting Sioux” nickname — which has long been controversial but now risks financial and competitive sanctions from the NCAA — will face a rare public referendum in what has been a lengthy and ongoing process. The Sioux nickname, much like the Redskins, is viewed as an especially derogatory reference to American Indians (“Sioux” translates to “snake”). But also like the Redskins, the school’s mascot has a loyal fanbase who can’t imagine their team called anything else. The vote today will be on whether to repeal a bill that struck down the law mandating the nickname. The bill passed in the state legislature after the NCAA threatened to keep the school from hosting lucrative playoff games — most notably in college hockey, where the team is a national contender ) — and even forcing it to forfeit games if it promotes the mascot in the postseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSanz Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Our team's name will never change. I have zero concern over this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazel-Ra Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 I never say never but ND is a public university...the Franchise in Washington is a privately owned sports team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-Dog Night Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 For the love of all that is good and sacred in this world, please let this thread die early. Because I think we've been over this issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reic Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 How exactly is the term Sioux derogatory when there were actually Sioux Indians? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GibbsFactor Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Isn't the term "Indians" not PC since they are from America. Thought it was Native Americans now? at this article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeluCopter29 Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 For something to be racist it has to offend the group it targets. Native Americans don't care about the term Redskins. They find no offense in it. Therefore our teams name isn't racist. Prententious *******s can shut up now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tater Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Wonder if they could change the mascot name to the Lakota or the Black Foots? Sioux means enemy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Blaster Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Ask someone who lives in Grand Forks and is a alumni of the Fighting Sioux anything... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirt Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Weshengten Redskens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFKFedEx Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 The movement to defend the use of Native nick names and mascots is a southward drifting iceburg. The heat only intensifies with time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonnyandSam Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Our team's name will never change. I have zero concern over this. I agree 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac9 Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Our team's name will never change. I have zero concern over this. Is there really something to be concerned about either way? I'm a DC sports fan, I grew up in NoVA and if the skins had to change their name cause a group of Native Americans legitimately won a lawsuit against the team there's zero chance it affects my opinion of the team. If I've cheered for them through the past 20 years of mediocrity and less than mediocre performance, a cosmetic change to the team isn't going to change anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch it in Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Our team's name will never change. I have zero concern over this. ^that ---------- Post added June-12th-2012 at 06:57 PM ---------- Is there really something to be concerned about either way? I'm a DC sports fan, I grew up in NoVA and if the skins had to change their name cause a group of Native Americans legitimately won a lawsuit against the team there's zero chance it affects my opinion of the team. If I've cheered for them through the past 20 years of mediocrity and less than mediocre performance, a cosmetic change to the team isn't going to change anything. I wouldnt want to have to change my dogs name, or one of my childrens name either. It isnt going to mean I dont love them, but a name change is alittle more than cosmetic. Dont you think Mike, or should I call you Mitch, or Malcolm? Doesnt really matter rite???? ---------- Post added June-12th-2012 at 06:59 PM ---------- Weshengten Redskens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grego Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 http://www.rmusd.net/education/components/sectionlist/default.php?sectiondetailid=86& any goofball that has anything to say about the name 'redskins' being a derogatory term needs to talk to these people and tell them the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC9 Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Has Aaron Blake met the US Supreme Court ruling on this yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy Smith Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Out of curiosity and not to start a flame war, do any of the Native American tribes that originally populated the DMV have cool names? The Washington Powhatans? We could even keep the uniforms, colors, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2cents Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/6093796/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljs Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 http://www.rmusd.net/education/components/sectionlist/default.php?sectiondetailid=86&any goofball that has anything to say about the name 'redskins' being a derogatory term needs to talk to these people and tell them the same thing. Same as a town not far from me. Its on an Indian Reservation Wellpinit High School Football Mascot:Redskins 6270 Ford-Wellpinit Rd., Wellpinit, WA 99040 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwpanic Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 Ask someone who lives in Grand Forks and is a alumni of the Fighting Sioux anything... have you seen my keys? i can't find them anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubbs Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 How exactly is the term Sioux derogatory when there were actually Sioux Indians? http://lmgtfy.com/?q=sioux+wiki :pfft: The movement to defend the use of Native nick names and mascots is a southward drifting iceburg. The heat only intensifies with time. Please. Florida State's going to lose the Seminoles? Atlanta's going to lose the Braves? The ultra-PC groups might complain, but that's about all that's going to happen. The movement is idiotic when not focused on team names that have at least sometimes been considered to be racial slurs. Look at other mascots. Warriors, Patriots, Bears, Falcons, Thunder. Most mascots are things we respect and honor for their power and ability to fight and intimidate, and most of the ones that don't fit that description are old-timey things that were picked either because they were local or because they were part of the uniform and have survived for decades. Saying that Native Americans are being insulted by the use of a team name like Seminoles is like saying that George Washington and Thomas Jefferson are being insulted by the use of of a team name like Patriots. It doesn't make any sense. While those who think that Redskins is an offensive name have a slightly better case, seeing as there seems to be at least some historical evidence that it was occasionally used as an obscure derogatory slur, the fact that Native Americans themselves overwhelmingly support it and even use it for some of their own high school teams pretty much ends the debate and guarantees that the name will never change, IMO. Out of curiosity and not to start a flame war, do any of the Native American tribes that originally populated the DMV have cool names? The Washington Powhatans? We could even keep the uniforms, colors, etc. Apparently the Potomacs were a local tribe. That wouldn't be so bad. But, um... you do realize that we could keep the colors even if we became the Washington Garden Gnomes, right? :pfft: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reic Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 http://lmgtfy.com/?q=sioux+wiki:pfft: I don't get it Hubbs. I googled it before I asked, and still had to ask Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoudMouth12thMan Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 Washington (D.C.) is a lot different than North Dakota. Good luck with that and good luck getting anyone in D.C. to listen to changing our name. Not gonna happen anytime soon if ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubbs Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 Damnit, dp. ---------- Post added June-12th-2012 at 10:34 PM ---------- I don't get it Hubbs. I googled it before I asked, and still had to ask Really? So you didn't, oh I don't know, click on the very first search result for "Sioux", which is the Wikipedia entry, and go to the very first section in the entry, which is about the origin of the name? :pfft: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFKFedEx Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 Looks like the defenders continue to lose this long term battle. http://www.grandforksherald.com/event/article/id/238595/group/homepage/ Last time this franchise fought a PC battle over race, we lost big time. Why can't we be ahead of the curve this time? . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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