President Barack Obama/Vice-President Joe Biden Re-elected to 2nd Term Thread

[Tulane Skins Fan]

I know it feels good if you want Obama to win to believe that as well.

If Bain and his tax returns mattered, a President with overwhelming likeability advantage would be up 20.

People dont like Romney right now. But the race is still a toss up. Why?

The answer again, is that nobody is paying attention yet.

The race is a toss up because we are in the worst economy since the Great Depression! Unemployment is over 8% and you are satisfied that because the race is a toss up, that means the race is a referendum on Obama?

I'm sorry, that just doesn't make any sense.

[JimboDaMan]

The issue with vacations is not that he takes them, or that they are expensive. The issue is his own staff says his plate is too full to solve certain issues. It's not hard to see why that looks bad.

Soon as you can explain why it looks worse than George W Bush spending half his presidency clearing brush during a murderous war in Iraq I'll be glad to join you in that opinion.

Work 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, you will still be faced with problems you are too busy to fix.

<edit>If there is a necesary function that isn't getting done, I agree that it should get attention. Attending or not attending meetings is a lame complaint. But if something needs doing, get somebody to do it. Vacations have nothing to do with it.

[Kilmer17]

The race is a toss up because we are in the worst economy since the Great Depression! Unemployment is over 8% and you are satisfied that because the race is a toss up, that means the race is a referendum on Obama?

I'm sorry, that just doesn't make any sense.

You're making it more complicated that it needs to be.

It's neither a referendum nor a choice RIGHT NOW. It's just fill for 24/7 news orgs.

It seems like alot of people are paying attention and caring because WE spend so much time on it.

But most people arent

---------- Post added July-19th-2012 at 11:06 AM ----------

Soon as you can explain why it looks worse than George W Bush spending half his presidency clearing brush during a murderous war in Iraq I'll be glad to join you in that opinion.

Work 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, you will still be faced with problems you are too busy to fix.

It doesnt look worse. It looks the same. And the left wing went bat********ing crazy talking about how much time Bush spent in Texas.

[JimboDaMan]

It doesnt look worse. It looks the same. And the left wing went bat********ing crazy talking about how much time Bush spent in Texas.

So I'm confused. Were the left wingers right then? Or are Republicans wrong now?

j/k. I know what point you are making. And it's a pretty decent deflection from my original question, whether Republicans actually believe sacas's asinine insinuation that the Obama's are interested primarily in luxuriating at public expense.

[Kilmer17]

So I'm confused. Were the left wingers right then? Or are Republicans wrong now?

j/k. I know what point you are making. And it's a pretty decent deflection from my original question, whether Republicans actually believe sacas's asinine insinuation that the Obama's are interested primarily in luxuriating at public expense.

Right or wrong? Neither.

Both are acting like political beings. Interested in the reults at the polls, not the issue itself.

The left didnt care that Bush took vacation. The right doesnt care that Obama does. They each care about how they can spin it to the undecideds.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/07/20/al-green-threat-to-the-american-way-of-life/?smid=tw-NytimesKrugman&seid=auto

Al Green, Threat to the American Way of Life

Gary Silverman makes a remarkable catch. He asks why the Romney counter-attack on the “America the Beautiful” ad featured Obama singing Al Green, and pretty well too. Well, it turns out that this is how the other .01% think:

One of the better answers I have found comes from a well-known supporter of Mr Romney – Suzy Welch, former editor in chief of the Harvard Business Review, and wife of Jack Welch, former CEO of General Electric. In an appearance on CNN with her husband, Mrs Welch suggested that Mr Obama’s personal style and choice of musical material define him as a member of a “different America”. I would imagine this is why Mr Romney’s campaign included the snippet of Mr Obama singing “Let’s Stay Together” at the Apollo Theater in Harlem. They hoped it would convey his otherness.

“It’s the difference between the songs that they’re singing,” Mrs Welch said. “Mitt Romney didn’t exactly do a beautiful job on that song, but think about what he’s singing, OK? I mean it’s that patriotic song and he goes all the way through it. Then you’ve got the very cool Barack Obama singing Al Green. That is the two different Americas. Isn’t it?”

How “other” is Al Green? So other, so alien, that, well, he’s included on the Muzak they play in Red Lobster restaurants.

Somebody is alien and out of touch with America here, that’s for sure. But I don’t think it’s the president.

[Jumbo]

That's a good one, BRAVE.

I was the only white kid growing up in AK during the 60's I knew that was a Motown freak. I'm a "different America." :cool:

I'd blame it on being a drummer but there was a lot more to it.

Also was the only male named "Dana", which was one reason I really got into fighting at a young age. :pfft:

[Larry]

I'd blame it on being a drummer but there was a lot more to it.

It was the drugs, wasn't it?

(Yes, that's a joke.)

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

:ols:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/20/top-tea-partier-demands-obama-prove-he-doesnt-smoke-crack-and-have-gay-sex/

Top tea partier demands Obama prove he doesn’t smoke crack and have gay sex

The president of Tea Party Nation declared on Thursday that if Mitt Romney is to release his tax returns, President Barack Obama should release medical records to prove he’s not a drug addict who smoked crack and had gay sex with a lifelong con-man.

Judson Phillips, whose for-profit group is better known to Tennessee as the “Tea Party Nation Corporation,” explained in an essay that also went out in a mass email to his followers that the American people must know whether the president had secret financial support in college due to his status as a “foreign student” — and dredged up a long-disproved story of Obama’s alleged encounter smoking crack and having sex with a gay prostitute.

“A man named Larry Sinclair claims that in 1999 he and Barack Obama had sex and then smoked crack cocaine,” Phillips wrote. “This is 1999, nine years before Obama would run for President. Crack cocaine is very addictive. It is very destructive. Addiction specialist will tell you that a crack addiction is very tough to break.”

He added: “Is Obama an addict? Was he an addict in the past? These are all legitimate questions to ask about a man who has his hands on the nuclear trigger. Why is Obama hiding these records and why isn’t the drive by media asking these questions. Why aren’t Republicans demanding the answers to these questions, instead of telling Mitt Romney he needs to play into Obama’s hands by releasing more tax returns?”

[Jumbo]

It was the drugs, wasn't it?

(Yes, that's a joke.)

Guess I did leave that part out.

---------- Post added July-20th-2012 at 04:10 PM ----------

FWIW:

Merriam-Webster:

Definition of ASSAULT RIFLE

: any of various automatic or semiautomatic rifles with large capacity magazines designed for military use

Dictionary.com

assault rifle 

noun

1.a military rifle capable of both automatic and semiautomatic fire, utilizing an intermediate-power cartridge.

2.a nonmilitary weapon modeled on the military assault rifle, usually modified to allow only semiautomatic fire.

thefreedictionary

assault rifle

n. Any of various automatic or semiautomatic rifles designed for individual use in combat.

From wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle

On those two pages you will find (with usual cautions of wiki as a source subject to participant-editing) useful information on matters of distinction between the terms "Assault rifles" and "Assault weapons"

From 1st link:

The Federal Assault Weapons Ban (AWB) (or Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act) was a subtitle of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, a federal law in the United States that included a prohibition on the manufacture for civilian use of certain semi-automatic firearms, so called "assault weapons". There was no legal definition of "assault weapons" in the U.S. prior to the law's enactment.

Definition of assault weapon

Note: there are differing definitions of 'assault weapon' that are listed at Assault weapon. This page refers to the usage in the United States under the previous and proposed assault weapon bans.

Assault weapon (semi-automatic) refers primarily (but not exclusively) to firearms that possess the cosmetics of an assault rifle (which are fully-automatic). Semi-automatic firearms, when fired, automatically extract the spent cartridge casing and load the next cartridge into the chamber, ready to fire again; they do not fire automatically like a machine gun, rather, only 1 round is fired with each trigger pull.

In the former U.S. law, the legal term assault weapon included certain specific semi-automatic firearm models by name (e.g., Colt AR-15, TEC-9, non select-fire AK-47s produced by three manufacturers, and Uzis) and other semi-automatic firearms because they possess a minimum set of cosmetic features from the following list of features:

Semi-automatic rifles able to accept detachable magazines and two or more of the following:

Folding or telescoping stock

Pistol grip

Bayonet mount

Flash suppressor, or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one

Grenade launcher (more precisely, a muzzle device which enables the launching or firing of rifle grenades, though strangely, this applies only to muzzle mounted grenade launchers and not those which are mounted externally)

Semi-automatic pistols with detachable magazines and two or more of the following:

Magazine that attaches outside the pistol grip

Threaded barrel to attach barrel extender, flash suppressor, handgrip, or suppressor

Barrel shroud that can be used as a hand-hold

Unloaded weight of 50 oz (1.4 kg) or more

A semi-automatic version of a fully automatic firearm

Semi-automatic shotguns with two or more of the following:

Folding or telescoping stock

Pistol grip

Fixed capacity of more than 5 rounds

Detachable magazine

The earlier term assault rifle refers to rifles that are capable of fully automatic fire. By that definition the ban did not cover "assault rifles" at all. Instead, it created a new definition of "assault weapon," a term that was broad enough to encompass all three categories of firearm (rifle, pistol and shotgun) capable of semi-automatic fire and having a combination of features as listed above, but did not include fully automatic firearms of any type.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/20/oreilly-obama-wants-to-restrain-capitalism-because-of-slavery-grievances/

O’Reilly: Obama wants to ‘restrain capitalism’ because of slavery ‘grievances’

Fox News opinion host Bill O’Reilly says that President Barack Obama’s misguided disdain for capitalism is a reaction to “historical grievances” about slavery.

During his Thursday “Talking Points” segment, O’Reilly said that footage of president’s comments about business, which critics say were deceptively edited by both Fox News and Mitt Romney’s campaign, proved that “the real Barack Obama has finally stood up.”

“What the president wants to do is restrain capitalism through taxation,” the Fox News host explained. “If you score big, he wants a big piece of the action so he can give what you get to other people.”

“Now I could be wrong about this, but I think Mr. Obama allows historical grievances — things like slavery, bad treatment for Native Americans and U.S. exploitation of Third World countries — to shape his economic thinking,” O’Reilly continued. “Rather than seeing the U.S.A. as basically noble, he gives the bad things about America far too much weight, leading to his desire to redistribute wealth, thereby correcting historical grievance.”

“Mr. Obama is not a communist, he’s not a socialist,” he conclued. “He’s a social justice anti-capitalist. That’s what he is.”

[Larry]

I thought he'd faded into obscurity.

[Jumbo]

Obama widens his lead in polls. So why does it feel like he's in trouble?

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-widens-lead-polls-why-does-feel-hes-134200899.html

According to the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll, President Obama has widened his lead over rival Mitt Romney. He’s now six points ahead (49 to 43 percent nationwide), up from a three-point lead (47 to 44 percent) last month. In the key swing states, Mr. Obama’s doing even better. NBC/WSJ has him leading by eight points in the top 12 battlegrounds. This is good news for the president. So why does it feel as if he’s in a tougher spot than he’s been in for much of the campaign?

more at link

[War Paint]

Obama widens his lead in polls. So why does it feel like he's in trouble?

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-widens-lead-polls-why-does-feel-hes-134200899.html

more at link

Hmmmm.....out of those polled, 46% are or lean democrat. 35% are or lean republican. I would imagine that poll would have Obama with a strong lead.

Strong Democrat ............................................... 24

Not very strong Democrat ................................. 11

Independent/lean Democrat .............................. 11

Strictly Independent .......................................... 16

Independent/lean Republican ............................ 12

Not very strong Republican ............................... 7

Strong Republican ............................................. 16

Other (VOL) .................................................. ..... 2

Not sure .................................................. ......... 1

Gallop has Romney 46% and Obama 45%

http://www.gallup.com/poll/election.aspx

[twa]

Obama widens his lead in polls. So why does it feel like he's in trouble?

because the sampling and weighing in the poll is bad

not even a pet media can save him

[Kilmer17]

SHUT UIP!!!

Only Rasmussen has an agenda in polling.

[Jumbo]

I have long (5-6 years) posted a lot of "news--new article" links in appropriate threads when I see them on legit sites without doing more than scanning them. No position on my end is implied when I do that--when I have a position I add my comments to a post. I thought this was a matter well understood by now, but it may not be. This type of linking just one of many things I do here as a moderator to facilitate forum conversations. Just so you know.

As long as I'm here explaining, I might as well add some personal views: as for "pet media", I know NBC are a bunch of socialist commies but WSJ is pet media for Obama? (I do scan the sources when I do this). And are conservatives the only ones allowed a "pet media" (because they have a huge and blatant one).

Someday this terminal case of pot/kettle many stalwart forum politicos thrive on should at least lessen in frequency and gratuitousness, just out of compassion to all the unbent who still read these threads.

[Thiebear]

He has help in Virginia:

State Sen. L. Louise Lucas (D-Portsmouth), a campaign surrogate for President Obama in Virginia, said Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney is appealing to racists who do not want a black man in the White House.

[Jumbo]

I don't know what the actual number of the racist demographic who don't want a black man in the WH is, but I can understand why they'd prefer Romney.

[Tulane Skins Fan]

Hmmmm.....out of those polled, 46% are or lean democrat. 35% are or lean republican. I would imagine that poll would have Obama with a strong lead.

Gallop has Romney 46% and Obama 45%

http://www.gallup.com/poll/election.aspx

I'm not sure those democrat v. republican numbers are actually skewed though. There are certainly more registered dems than republicans, and I believe the research shows more independents are liberal leaning than conservative leaning.

[Kilmer17]

I'm not sure those democrat v. republican numbers are actually skewed though. There are certainly more registered dems than republicans, and I believe the research shows more independents are liberal leaning than conservative leaning.

It is also true that a higher percentage of Registered Democrats dont vote than the percentage of Registered GOPers that dont vote.

It's one of the reasons Rasmussen uses likely voters instead.

Using a poll that oversamples Dems because they register more is not an accurate portrayal of the state of the race.

[Predicto]

It is also true that a higher percentage of Registered Democrats dont vote than the percentage of Registered GOPers that dont vote.

It's one of the reasons Rasmussen uses likely voters instead.

Using a poll that oversamples Dems because they register more is not an accurate portrayal of the state of the race.

Agreed. Whether Rasmussen compensates correctly is a different question of course.

I also think that - right now - there are more GOP voters that self-identify as "independents" than there have been in the past, but 99.9 percent of them will pull the GOP lever when the time comes. All those Tea Partiers in particular call themselves independent, but they are anything but.

So if a poll heavily samples self described independents, it may compensate for oversampling self described Democrats. Or not - I'm no pollster. They all have their own methods.

[deejaydana]

I think reading those polls which come out seemingly on a daily basis would drive any sane person skats. Some oversample a favorable demographic and (it's my opinion) many of them from the outset are seeking to arrive at a pre-established end or result. The election is sooooo far off also. Wouldn't a pollster daily job drive almost anyone mad?

[twa]

Wouldn't a pollster daily job drive almost anyone mad?

some people love it, playing with numbers and formulas can be great fun

actually conducting a poll would drive me bonkers

[skinsmarydu]

some people love it, playing with numbers and formulas can be great fun

actually conducting a poll would drive me bonkers

It's no secret that I think the POTUS would do a better job in the next 4 years than his opponent. However, I heard he's paying for daily polling. That (to me) says that he wants to stay POTUS, and will face a camera(his new ad, can't find link just right now), and say it TO YOUR FACE. Mittens will hide behind what he said, or didn't say, or meant to say, or was positioned/pressured/not quite sure what to say. Good grief.

I know everyone gets labeled for their loyalty. I'm a registered independent, have been for years. My congresswoman for my district when I owned a home was Cynthia McKinney.(Anyone remember her? I realize it may not be for anything good, but nonetheless.) I never voted for her, always against her, because mainly of her trips to Africa on my district's tax dollars, when I couldn't rationalize what that meant for her constituents.(me). She ran on the Green Party ticket in '08, and I almost did what I never did before, give her my vote. It took a lot to talk me down, because I don't like the system of only 2 people running. You never hear of the other hundred folks, like Buddy Roemer, who tried to do it without SuperPacs, or undisclosed donations.

I know a great number of ES don't believe in the POTUS. But can you really say you believe in Mitt Romney?