jflow78 Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Question is there anything concerning the surgery that could have a big impact on his play in the future that might lead Landry to be hesitant to have it? I'm not defending but if there's a major risk where it might seriously hurt his play I might understand his current stance. Otherwise he really should have the surgery for him performance as well as his health. Anytime you injure a joint or tissue, you can pretty much guarantee that you will never return to your previous full capacity. Surgery is another guarantee on top of that, but like I posted earlier, some alternative therapies or treatments also can have negative risks too, so instead of looking at it like, "if he has surgery he'll never be as good as he was", you can kind of say, "he injured his achilles, so his best now will be 99% of what it was previously". Now, 99% for Landry is like 200% for the rest of us, but it's still not his 100%, but that's more due to the injury than to the operation, though there are risks with any kind of surgery, and with the alternative treatments he's opted for so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsNoles21 Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 The Washington Post confirms that foot specialists have informed free agent SS LaRon Landry he "needs" Achilles' tendon surgery. The Washington Times had a report on this a few weeks ago. Landry doesn't want to have surgery, and he appears to be taking a sizable risk that rest and rehab will fix the heel problems. It's clearly against doctors' orders. The Redskins seem likely to part ways with Landry this offseason, particularly if he's not amenable to accepting a low-risk, short-term contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slateman Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Just a thought or conspiracy theory if you will: Could part of his reluctance to get surgery be because he's been using PEDs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFTW Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 His biceps are huge though....,who needs surgery Landry had David Boston syndrome and probably will never be healthy even if he does get this fixed. ---------- Post added January-27th-2012 at 01:39 PM ---------- so instead of looking at it like, "if he has surgery he'll never be as good as he was", you can kind of say, "he injured his achilles, so his best now will be 99% of what it was previously". Or more accurate would be that he's 99% for 10-50% of the time and on the bench otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattFancy Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 I don't understand why he won't get the surgery. Sure he may not be as explosive as he once was, but he's not explosive at all chilling on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cen Tex Skins Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Not a whole lot of decent options in FA for a safety.Tyvon Branch and Michael Griffin are about it.We may have to draft one in 3rd or 4th if we can't land one of those two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Win4us Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Does the surgery guarantee he will be slower? If so i'd throw him in a hybrid LB role. He may be a tad small for ILB but just imagine Rak, Kerrigan and Landry coming at ya from different angles, on top of the front 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jflow78 Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 Or more accurate would be that he's 99% for 10-50% of the time and on the bench otherwise. I didn't mean he has ever reached 99% since the injury. I think he's been far less than that. I'm just saying that, if he gets surgery and it works out, he could be back up there but rarely will any injury heal back to it's pre-injury strength, surgery or not. ---------- Post added January-27th-2012 at 11:34 PM ---------- Does the surgery guarantee he will be slower? If so i'd throw him in a hybrid LB role. He may be a tad small for ILB but just imagine Rak, Kerrigan and Landry coming at ya from different angles, on top of the front 3. The short answer is, the injury, not necessarily the surgery, guarantees he won't be as explosive, but it may not affect his top speed. What I mean is, he might be able to run pretty close to his top speed, but getting there might take a little longer, or changing direction might slow him down more than it used to. If you want the long answer, I've typed it below: The achilles tendon is attached to the calf muscles which are what give guys such a great first step, or help change direction while maintaining speed. A guy that cuts and maintains speed does that largely because of the calf muscles powerful motion, and their tendency to have more white fibers (the type of muscle fibers that help you jump high, sprint fast, and be very quick on your feet). The real problem is, after injury, the scar tissue that develops (and which it is believed PRP injections promote) doesn't allow the tendon, or muscle since the tendon has mechanisms in it to protect the muscle, to move, flex, or stretch the way it used to. It might be a little less responsive, and a little tighter because the scar tissue doesn't move the way normal healthy tissue does, it's doesn't really give at all. So when the muscle is flexed, it attempts to stretch the tendon, and the whole mechanism is thrown off just a little. For a guy as athletic and muscular as Landry, the pushing off movement that is produced by the calf muscles is incredibly powerful and puts a lot of strain on the tendon, which is exactly the type of movement and power that injured the tendon in the first place. Kind of like jumping on a diving board, the less flexibility in the board, the less height you're going to get jumping on it, and the more likely it is to break under pressure. That's why, if you've ever seen an athlete (or you yourself) taped for an achilles injury, the trainer will tape the foot in a way that helps lessen the amount of stretch the achilles and calf muscles produces. That way the achilles becomes less of a factor in the athlete's movement. That change in the tissue, along with the protective measures that are necessary (taping) help the previously injured tissue remain safe, but they don't allow the tissue to stretch to their optimum range for producing the greatest power they can. So, it's protected, but it's also limited. The most recent medical study I've found, done by Lower Extremity Review (a collection of medical professionals who specialize in leg and foot issues) said that of all achilles injuries, only about 2/3's of the players ever return to play in the NFL. Of those, all lose some measure of performance, though the study hadn't been carried out long enough to consider the status permanent, but due to the way the tissues heal, I'd say it's likely never to return to the same level. That's why I said, even if Landry is able to come back at 90%, he's still a hell of a FS. Hopefully everything will work out for him and he's able to come back healthy for 16 games. We're talking about a guy that had more athletic ability and strength even than the average NFL starter, so if he comes back and he's only able to play like a solid NFL starter, well he's still a solid NFL starter. So, it's not actually the surgery or any therapy that will limit his ability to come back to 100%, the injury did that by itself. Anyway, that's the long of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Win4us Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 ...tons of fantastic medical information.... Wow, I appreciate that very informitive post jflow. I agree, unless he's just butting heads with management over this we should offer him a reasonable contract that both makes Laron happy AND protects the club if any time is missed. He's def needed more in the secondary but was thinking if he's at LB he may have alot less ground to travel, maybe lessoning his chance of reinjury. Just having him on the field helps our D out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kubstix Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 His biceps are huge though....,who needs surgery LOL, yeah guys but he has huge muscles so he is a stud on defense. We need to sign Landry for 5 years 50 million so he can become Bob Sanders 2.0 and probably play 10 games in the next 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjinhan Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 just a question... anyone think rights to Landry's via tagging him have any value on the market? I think getting a 2nd or a 3rd for him would be a win for us at this point. I think we will just end up cutting ties with him and letting him walk... I wonder if Bruce can squeeze any value out of the current situation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogofWar1 Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 just a question... anyone think rights to Landry's via tagging him have any value on the market? I think getting a 2nd or a 3rd for him would be a win for us at this point. I think we will just end up cutting ties with him and letting him walk... I wonder if Bruce can squeeze any value out of the current situation... If he's not going to do surgery, then getting a 2nd rounder out of him would be amazing. Either we add another draft prospect, or have more ammo for draft moves. That being said, I doubt that would work, and franchising carries risks, since we could end up paying Landry a lot of money to be injured if no one takes the bait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Janky Spanky Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Alright....so what's up with all the Laron Landry re-tweets from Philly fans talking about him playing for the Eagles?!? Hate how he seems to have this attitude like he's been the victim here or something. He's the one who declined surgery. @Luke_Vadas: rumors of @MrLandry30 maybe going to the Eagles? that would be so sick @RobbyNapp15: @MrLandry30 no doubt you play like a thug, any chance the badest DB in the league comes to philly? #freeagent #Wewant/needyou @GMoney119: Hey @dcsportsbog have u noticed that @MrLandry30 has been RTing alot of Philly fans asking him to come play in Philly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Champskins Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Alright....so what's up with all the Laron Landry re-tweets from Philly fans talking about him playing for the Eagles?!? Hate how he seems to have this attitude like he's been the victim here or something. He's the one who declined surgery. @Luke_Vadas: rumors of @MrLandry30 maybe going to the Eagles? that would be so sick @RobbyNapp15: @MrLandry30 no doubt you play like a thug, any chance the badest DB in the league comes to philly? #freeagent #Wewant/needyou @GMoney119: Hey @dcsportsbog have u noticed that @MrLandry30 has been RTing alot of Philly fans asking him to come play in Philly He's probably still wondering how he got burned so many times after talking smack to DJax, and want's to ask him how in person... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Walton Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Alright....so what's up with all the Laron Landry re-tweets from Philly fans talking about him playing for the Eagles?!? Hate how he seems to have this attitude like he's been the victim here or something. He's the one who declined surgery. He is trying to create a market for himself. He knows his days in DC are numbered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskins4ever Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 The Redskins should have never drafted Landry. When was he ever worthy of his 6th overall billing during a full season during his Redskins tenure? Gibbs should have drafted Darelle Revis in 2007 with that 6th overall pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiro Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 The Redskins should have never drafted Landry. When was he ever worthy of his 6th overall billing during a full season during his Redskins tenure? Gibbs should have drafted Darelle Revis in 2007 with that 6th overall pick. We had just drafted Carlos in 2005. 2 players who would have made sense for us, in hindsight, would have been either Patrick Willis or Adrian Peterson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrecker Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 The Redskins should have never drafted Landry. When was he ever worthy of his 6th overall billing during a full season during his Redskins tenure? Gibbs should have drafted Darelle Revis in 2007 with that 6th overall pick. If not for 21 murder, Laron would have stayed at SS and the duo would have been the best in the NFL for many years......alas... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinzfever2010 Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Meh, I'm at peace with this. Sean has been dead for years now. LaRon will never return to 2010 form due to injuries. I would hate playing against him twice a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoCommiesGo Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Meh, I'm at peace with this. Sean has been dead for years now. LaRon will never return to 2010 form due to injuries. I would hate playing against him twice a year. If he sings in the division we can pick up Brandon Jacobs just for those two games. It is a shame his foot has never fully healed, still a ton of unfilled potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madison Redskin Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Laron is young enough to overcome his injury problems, which are serious but not career threatening. I have never been a big Landry fan (he talks too much **** on the field and flexes too often), but he's a very good player. I am pretty certain that he will leave for another team and, like fellow top-10 pick Carlos Rogers, will turn into a Pro Bowler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan2k Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Even if Sean Taylor was alive, Laron is gone anyways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeluCopter29 Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 Dude is not a safety. He get's burned easily and doesn't have a nose for the ball at all. Hall should play safety and make Landry almost like a 5th LB on certain packages would be the best option IMO. He's too small to play LB full time and he's not good enough to play DB. He'll strike it rich somewhere but he won't do enough to earn it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirt Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 He's probably still wondering how he got burned so many times after talking smack to DJax, and want's to ask him how in person... ha-ha, but we don't have to hate on every player that leaves. Laron's had some particularly costly injuries, and had a reasonable fear of going under the knife. He's not the only one that would, I mean it's not like the guy is a total idiot. I'm not exactly crying for him, but hey, he got dealt a ****ty hand. Some think he had other issues, didn't play/practice his hardest or whatever, but I don't really know where that comes from. At SS and healthy, he was a freakin beast. Ask coaches around the league, guys love Laron...when healthy. So..the Skins letting him go means their keeping their salary right, and not paying the guy crossing their fingers that he'll be able to play. If Philly were to sign him, they're messing with their salary situation and crossing their fingers. So fine. but if he DPOY any time soon, I'll be pissed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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