MONTEY Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Well. Up until the Cowturd game it sure was fun while it lasted. Down to earth now which is typical for this organization and the fan base. What the hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss_Hogg Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 The crisp offense will come, just give it time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONAWARPATH Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Why are we seemingly the only franchise that doesn't have at least SPEED at those positions? Season after season....no speed. Yep. Speed needs to be a priority after this season. The model is the Eagles offense as well as the Raiders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mocountyskins Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Tank banks is the best QB the redskins have had in the last 20 years ---------- Post added October-17th-2011 at 11:14 PM ---------- Lol just kidding trolol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theTruthTeller Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Yep. Speed needs to be a priority after this season. Most puzzling. Speed is speed - you can get it cheap if you look around (Wes Welker, Miles Austin). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuicyJ Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Are the Bills that much more talented on offense than the Skins? Yes. Yes they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM72 Posted October 18, 2011 Author Share Posted October 18, 2011 Yes. Yes they are. No they're not. Other than Fred Jackson (possibly the most underrated player in the NFL) there's no one on their offense that jumps off the page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Most puzzling. Speed is speed - you can get it cheap if you look around (Wes Welker, Miles Austin). I believe the Pats did trade a second for Welker. I daresay this board would go berserk if we did that for a guy who hadn't shown much as of the time of the trade. Bellicheck saw something in him when they played Miami, and ponied up for him. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrifNick21 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 No they're not. Other than Fred Jackson (possibly the most underrated player in the NFL) there's no one on their offense that jumps off the page. Right. Their QB is better, and we see the difference that can make. What I'd give to have a franchise QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM72 Posted October 18, 2011 Author Share Posted October 18, 2011 Right. Their QB is better, and we see the difference that can make.What I'd give to have a franchise QB. He's better, but not by a huge margin. He's just an above average QB at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrifNick21 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 He's better, but not by a huge margin. He's just an above average QB at best. I think he's better than just above average. Even if he is above average, he's better than what the Redskins have now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laurent Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Bottom line is you can't win in this league unless you find yourself a QB. What's really frustrating to me right now is that with Vick on the market, the Skins didn't make the one move everybody would have expected them to make... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskins4ever Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 The one thing I've noticed is that the Redskins haven't had two WRs gain over 1,000 yards receiving since Albert Connell and Michael Westbrook did it in 1999. The Redskins also had Steven Davis bulldoze for over 1,000 yards rushing and 17 TDs on the ground. Until the Redskins can get receiving threats the offense will be average. While I like John Beck and what he brings to the table, I also can see Bruce Allen and company drafting a QB in the first round. The offensive line is fine the way it is. The scouting department needs to look at a QB and WRs before they draft next April. The Redskins have been lacking offensive explosion for far too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skin'emAlive Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Hard to get 1000 yards when your qb throws it into triple coverage, checks down every play, or has no touch to connect with the receivers time and time again. Really, i think you can put every single quarterback we have had in past decade into one of those categories. Triple Coverage: Grossman Captain Checkdown: Campbell Brunell No Touch: Ramsey Mcnabb Banks George Beck Suck: Hasselbeck Collins Weufell Rosenfells Mathews Frerotte It doesnt take a genius to understand that the last time our offense didnt suck and had production from not only our rb, but our wrs is when we had a qb who didnt fit into one of those aforementioned categories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Master III Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 We probably won't be in position to draft Luck or Landry Jones unless we trade a bunch of picks. I think we need to draft Kellen Moore from Boise State. A lot of people say he is too small.... I don't see it. Drew Brees is elite and is 6'0". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWO-tarious Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Add Heath Shuler to the suck list. Hard to get 1000 yards when your qb throws it into triple coverage' date=' checks down every play, or has no touch to connect with the receivers time and time again. Really, i think you can put every single quarterback we have had in past decade into one of those categories. Triple Coverage: Grossman Captain Checkdown: Campbell Brunell No Touch: Ramsey Mcnabb Banks George Beck Suck: Hasselbeck Collins Weufell Rosenfells Mathews Frerotte It doesnt take a genius to understand that the last time our offense didnt suck and had production from not only our rb, but our wrs is when we had a qb who didnt fit into one of those aforementioned categories.[/quote'] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeoPro Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Continue being patient. The culture is changing thanks to, well, getting rid of Cerato and getting Bruce Allen and then Shanahan. They are doing the right things to win. Building through the draft. We had a good draft and after a decade of tearing the team down will take another year or two possibly three until we have the right guys in position to bring the Lomardi back to Washington. But it's happening. Adults are in charge and we are heading the right direction...DISCIPLINED, PHYSICAL FOOTBALL with reduced mistakes. HTTR! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 I think you need either an A quarterback with a B o-line or an A+ line with a B quarterback. A great qb will compensate for a lot of holes in talent. A great line will make also make everyone better. The problem is that we have a C line and a C/D quarterback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenhoustonfan Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 The last time we had an offense that could score at will was in 1999 under Norv (although the defense sucked) and since then Snyder has destroyed this team, Shottenheimer was pointing this team in the right direction and was fired! and all he did was go to san diego and build a contender while we had to deal with the "ball coach" Gibbs II wasn't that great look at the trades/free agents under his watch, he traded Bailey & 2nd rd. pk for Portis, 3rd rd. pk. for Brunell, 4th rd. pk. for Lloyd, signing Archuleta not drafting OL or DL need i go on? This franchise has given away far too many draft pks. and threw away way too much money on free agents that were no good over the last 12 yrs. and now everyone wants Shananhan to fix it overnight Wont Happen!! the only problem is that Shanny is the only coach in the league who thinks Grossman can actually play but i believe we are headed in the right direction as long as they stay focused on building through the draft and only go after mid level free agents that can actually play and get a QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madison Redskin Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 You forgot Todd Collins and Danny Wuerffel And Tim Hasselbeck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD0506 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 We are still paying the price for years of neglect and Vincompetence. If you use all the wasted picks even just for solid depth across the board, you have the luxury of focusing on a top tier QB this year, a killer WR next year, etc., like other teams can, but everything needed fixing when Shanahallen came it. It's like you buy a house on short sale- location, location, location (TheDan's wallet basically)- and you can see what it can be, but it takes a lot of work, a lot of drywall might make it look better but you can't do that until you redo the wiring/plumbing inside the walls, and don't even think about paint yet, and the leaky roof demands attention before the wiring, yadda yadda yadda... Yes, we have to get a QB (new furnace) before we freeze to death, but heat isn't our only issue. We started w/ the exterminator (roster cuts), fixed the doors to secure the place (Allen's cap/contract management), replaced windows to keep the wind out (select FA additions), did some foundation repairs (good drafting) and put in an alarm to keep vandals out (booted Vinny and tied TheDan to a chair). It ain't pretty yet but it is far better than it was when you went to settlement. The neighbors gripe about the yard and want you to replace the siding (yakkery from the fanbase) but you know that these are not a priority yet, just can't be a priority yet. Yeah, you know that Brady kid mowing the lawn at the Belichick place up the street is smirking at you, but you have to stay focused on your job and ignore all of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinzfever2010 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Vin-competence is the reason this team is even competitive at the moment. Fred Davis, Chris Cooley, Santana Moss, LaRon Landry, Brian Orakpo, London Fletcher, DeAngelo Hall.. So yeah for every dumb ass decision he made he hit big on some players. RIP Sean Taylor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theTruthTeller Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 I believe the Pats did trade a second for Welker.I daresay this board would go berserk if we did that for a guy who hadn't shown much as of the time of the trade. Bellicheck saw something in him when they played Miami, and ponied up for him. ~Bang You are correct that there was a significant transaction cost - a #2 and a #7 (because they didn't want Miami to match their offer). But with NE's draft position, that's effectively a #3 and a UDFA. And they were in negotiations to get Randy Moss at the time. Welker signed a 5 year contract for $18M. So they got a speed receiver to draw coverage off Moss, one of the best young punt & kick returners, and a starting receiver for less than $4M/year. That's a pretty good deal even if he hadn't turned out to be the best receiver in the game. He did gain 600+ yards in his last year in Miami, so there was a pretty good chance he'd be a 1000 yd receiver with Moss and Brady on his team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins Wingman Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 i think its a combination of qb and ol. the line doesnt give the qb enough time to make his reads, and when he does have time, cant deliver the goods. we could probably succeed with a qb like vick, who can make up for a bad line. or we could succeed with grossman (cough) and a good line that gives him time. our problem is, we've neglected the line and never had a franchise qb. we get one or the other, and we start scoring points. we get both, we start putting up 30/game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbyst21 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Did we draft a complete moron in Hankerson? Is he the second coming of Devin Thomas? I know it takes time for a rookie receiver to develop but are there no routes he can run? Is the playbook still hieroglyphs to him? We need young, tall, speedy talent at the WR position. Thus the reason we drafted him and Niles. Put the kids out there and let em learn. What the heck do we have to lose? I can deal with rookie mistakes while they are rookies rather than 2nd/3rd year players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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