SnyderShrugged Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 http://www.infowars.com/occupy-wall-street-protesters-call-totalitarian-government-re-election-of-obama/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oisn1 Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 http://www.infowars.com/occupy-wall-street-protesters-call-totalitarian-government-re-election-of-obama/ Hahahaha, InfoWars. Next you're going to link us an article by David Icke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderShrugged Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 Hahahaha, InfoWars. Next you're going to link us an article by David Icke. Does the site that had the video automatically discount the validity of the questions and responses? That is about the weakest discussion point you could come up with. How about speaking to what he asked, and what the responses were instead of going after where it was located on the web? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 Hahahaha, InfoWars. Next you're going to link us an article by David Icke. I thought it was a joke too, being that Alex Jones is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out there. But the article is shockingly good, pointing out the irony of the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RVAbrendan Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 My question is, how many of them would have a job if they cleaned up a little and focused on themselves vs constantly wanting to fight the power? Probably many more. Although, I know many folks who dress along the lines of what was described above that are just as qualified, if not more so, than other folks, but get discriminated due to their appearance. Very intelligent, open-minded, etc. I also don't think 'wanting to fight the power' is a bad thing. I equate it more to asking questions and searching for solutions. Striving for progress (whether one agrees with the POV or not) is never a bad thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderShrugged Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 I thought it was a joke too, being that Alex Jones is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out there. But the article is shockingly good, pointing out the irony of the situation. Thats my take too. Personally, not a fan of infowars, but there are occasional nuggets that are good. I've followed Kokesh for a while too, he really seems to get it when it comes to common sense discussions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexey Posted October 4, 2011 Author Share Posted October 4, 2011 http://www.infowars.com/occupy-wall-street-protesters-call-totalitarian-government-re-election-of-obama/ Luckily people who participate in these things do not have to be well informed in order to cause change. Those interviews were not impressive... I did not like how Kokesh was driving at shallow soundbites. Government involvement is driving up college costs weeee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RansomthePasserby Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 You sound like you feel it's your right for having done this.Hope it never happens, but if you don't have a job for a while in the future, who's fault will it be? You did all those things.. just like a whole hell of a lot of people out there with no work. ~Bang No, I don't think it's my right. I actually don't have a job, but I'm currently looking for one while I take classes. I do all the previously stated things to make myself more competitive so I have a chance at a job, but that doesn't mean I'll be a fit for one. If a company wants me, they'll hire, if they don't they won't. If I don't get a job, it's actually partially my fault, because I can ALWAYS do something better. Face it, we all could if we applied ourselves. Just because the Redskins practice all week and play the game of football doesn't mean they have a right to win. What's next, we all have a right to make out with Mila Kunis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMP Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 My question is, how many of them would have a job if they cleaned up a little and focused on themselves vs constantly wanting to fight the power? That's right, we have nearly double digit unemployment in this country because people don't wear the proper clothes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulane Skins Fan Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 That's right, we have nearly double digit unemployment in this country because people don't wear the proper clothes. Its true. And the Tea Party refuses to pass Obama's Suits for America Bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 Its true. And the Tea Party refuses to pass Obama's Suits for America Bill. I knew it!!! That ****in elitist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSkins561 Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 That's right, we have nearly double digit unemployment in this country because people don't wear the proper clothes. I wasn't saying that, I was saying maybe some of these career protesters that are complaining might actually have better luck finding a real job if they took a bath and cleaned up a little. I'm not saying they're bad people because they're hippies or the job market is teh way it is because of them. I love me some hippes, drum circles at RFK use to kick ass, two of my favorite bands are The Dead and Phish, but seriously, how many of these people have made a legitimate attempt at finding a "real job"? I have met some very intelligent hippies in my time, but many of them lack the actual drive and sacrifice it takes to find a real job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebluefood Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 You know, while I agree that Wall Street and Capitol Hill are in need of a serious overhaul, I really can't feel one way or another about this Occupy Movement. I used be really into activism (though I leaned more to the right), but I've come to the realization that no matter how much protesting and hollering a person does, it really won't make a bit of difference in the end. All nations are doomed to fall eventually and all governments will eventually lead to corruption and suppression, in some way, shape or form, of the people's natural rights. Communism, democracies, fascism, theocracies, republics, socialism, monarchies...they will all end the same way. Look at Russia: hundreds of years under oppressive czars, then replaced by 70+ years of oppressive premiers under the Soviet banner, and now they're ruled under a shady, single party that will surely do more of the same. I'm sure there are countless other examples, but they don't come to mind right now. Human nature will always get in the way of freedom and prosperity. All I can see now from these popular movements, whether it's these Occupy Movement folks or the "Revolution" Ron Paul supports, is naive simplistic thinking. They're all perusing the same, unreachable, impossible goal. So, let them occupy Wall Street or the Capitol or their local for IHOP for all I care. Even if they get what they want, what then? Eventually we will face the same problems and we'll be right where we started. It is all futility. In the end, the only thing a person can improve is him or herself. After that, he or she can only hope others will learn from their example and mistakes and create some sort of chain reaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulane Skins Fan Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 I wasn't saying that, I was saying maybe some of these career protesters that are complaining might actually have better luck finding a real job if they took a bath and cleaned up a little. I'm not saying they're bad people because they're hippies or the job market is teh way it is because of them. I love me some hippes, drum circles at RFK use to kick ass, two of my favorite bands are The Dead and Phish, but seriously, how many of these people have made a legitimate attempt at finding a "real job"? I have met some very intelligent hippies in my time, but many of them lack the actual drive and sacrifice it takes to find a real job. You don't really think we have 10% unemployment because people aren't trying to get jobs, do you? Honestly, its not laziness, its a lack of credit, and a bad economy that have caused to dry up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RVAbrendan Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 I wasn't saying that, I was saying maybe some of these career protesters that are complaining might actually have better luck finding a real job if they took a bath and cleaned up a little. I'm not saying they're bad people because they're hippies or the job market is teh way it is because of them. I love me some hippes, drum circles at RFK use to kick ass, two of my favorite bands are The Dead and Phish, but seriously, how many of these people have made a legitimate attempt at finding a "real job"? I have met some very intelligent hippies in my time, but many of them lack the actual drive and sacrifice it takes to find a real job. Just curious, what do you define as a 'real job'? Many folks would rather work carpentry than sit in an office pushing papers for 8 hours a day. To clarify, I work in an office myself, but am actively searching for something different. I know a lot of people feel like this, not just me, but I feel passion, energy, and attitude all going south. Not to mention this damn chair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderShrugged Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 Luckily people who participate in these things do not have to be well informed in order to cause change.Those interviews were not impressive... I did not like how Kokesh was driving at shallow soundbites. Government involvement is driving up college costs weeee Yet what he says is absolutely true. Why would they participate if they are ill informed to begin with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 I just got back from it. It was cool. A lot of prounion stuff today at the Verizon center there. Unity in protest. It basically comes down to being one of the 99% without the majority of the money. I met some cool folks, yelled at a hippy who was trying to talk to the councilmen without shoes on. Some really upstanding people supporting this and some real crusty losers doing the same. I'll say this, it's well organized inside. They have their own security, their own media center all sorts of stuff. When we marched, everybody who was inconvenienced by it, was cheering us on. Even the ground zero construction workers. When truthers started yelling about 9/11, everybody told them to shut up about it, so this would be taken more seriously. It was safe and organized though. A lot of different people had different motives, but it all came down to being to big to fail, shouldn't be allowed. We are reaping what we sow and people are unhappy about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 12th Commandment Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 Real simple in my simple mind. Our corporations, bound by fiduciary responsibility, had to ship our manufacturing to places where labor is cheaper. How could they do anything else? It's a weakness of capitalism. We need those Chinese demanding wages and lives just like ours ASAP. When prices all stabilize in a global setting, our productiveness can be recognized again. I remember reading that we are the most (or among the most) productive workers in the world. Can't blame folks for being angry they just want a job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teller Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 Where are all the black people in those pictures? This is clearly a racist movement, disguising themselves under the auspices of wanting jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 Where are all the black people in those pictures? This is clearly a racist movement, disguising themselves under the auspices of wanting jobs. I'd say half the crowd was black or Asian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teller Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 I'd say half the crowd was black or Asian. We must be looking at different pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexey Posted October 4, 2011 Author Share Posted October 4, 2011 Real simple in my simple mind. Our corporations, bound by fiduciary responsibility, had to ship our manufacturing to places where labor is cheaper. How could they do anything else? It's a weakness of capitalism. We need those Chinese demanding wages and lives just like ours ASAP. When prices all stabilize in a global setting, our productiveness can be recognized again. I remember reading that we are the most (or among the most) productive workers in the world. It's not that simple. These jobs are moving to places that have no 40 hour work week, no child labour laws, no environmental protections, etc. Our policies are essntially promoting things like worker abuses and environmental degradation in order for us to get cheaper goods and for corporations to make more profits. This is not just plain old capitalism. This is crony capitalism where our government has created (or in some cases failed to prevent) an environment where these things are encouraged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 12th Commandment Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 It's not that simple. These jobs are moving to places that have no 40 hour work week, no child labour laws, no environmental protections, etc. Our policies are essntially promoting things like worker abuses and environmental degradation in order for us to get cheaper goods and for corporations to make more profits. This is not just plain old capitalism. This is crony capitalism where our government has created (or in some cases failed to prevent) an environment where these things are encouraged. Types of capitalism or corruptions of it aside, you're making my point. We're ****ed until the playing field is level and then we should do pretty well. At least my take contains a little bit of optimism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexey Posted October 4, 2011 Author Share Posted October 4, 2011 You know, while I agree that Wall Street and Capitol Hill are in need of a serious overhaul, I really can't feel one way or another about this Occupy Movement. I used be really into activism (though I leaned more to the right), but I've come to the realization that no matter how much protesting and hollering a person does, it really won't make a bit of difference in the end. All nations are doomed to fall eventually and all governments will eventually lead to corruption and suppression, in some way, shape or form, of the people's natural rights. Communism, democracies, fascism, theocracies, republics, socialism, monarchies...they will all end the same way. Look at Russia: hundreds of years under oppressive czars, then replaced by 70+ years of oppressive premiers under the Soviet banner, and now they're ruled under a shady, single party that will surely do more of the same. I'm sure there are countless other examples, but they don't come to mind right now. Human nature will always get in the way of freedom and prosperity. All I can see now from these popular movements, whether it's these Occupy Movement folks or the "Revolution" Ron Paul supports, is naive simplistic thinking. They're all perusing the same, unreachable, impossible goal. So, let them occupy Wall Street or the Capitol or their local for IHOP for all I care. Even if they get what they want, what then? Eventually we will face the same problems and we'll be right where we started. It is all futility. In the end, the only thing a person can improve is him or herself. After that, he or she can only hope others will learn from their example and mistakes and create some sort of chain reaction. It's a good thing that we do not live in Russia, eh? Things swing back and forth. I understand that things looked pretty grim between the industrial revolution and the the labour movement. Fortunately our United States are in a very unique position to reinvent ourselves: "Happily for us, that when we find our constitutions defective and insufficient to secure the happiness of our people, we can assemble with all the coolness of philosophers, and set them to rights, while every other nation on earth must have recourse to arms to amend or to restore their constitutions." --Thomas Jefferson to C. W. F. Dumas, 1787. ---------- Post added October-4th-2011 at 07:54 PM ---------- Types of capitalism or corruptions of it aside, you're making my point. We're ****ed until the playing field is level and then we should do pretty well. At least my take contains a little bit of optimism. There are things we could do to level the playing field... I don't know, how about we require that all goods that are sold in the USA are produced according to the same labour and environmental standards that we have? I know that's not realistic, but you get the idea... Or maybe pollution-related laws could help us get there. Global cap and trade w/ associated tarrifs, etc. I'm not holding my breath for any of this stuff, but I do think that there are ways to change the underlying dynamic. It seems that we've been implementing pro-big business economic policies for 30+ years now. We got into a habbit of talking about what's possible based on what has been possible before. Maybe this is the beginning of something new. EDIT How about a "systemic risk tax"? Have an additional tax for companies, failure of which would create significant disruptions. How about a "single service provider tax"? If your chain store pushes all local mom-and-pop shops out of business, you have to pay higher taxes because you just destroyed a local economic eco-system. It would be also great to have policies that discourage mega-farming. In my view big companies and globalization have a lot of benefits. Globalization spreads opportunity for economic development and gives us cheaper goods. Big companies can do things that litte companies cannot like dricve down costs and make huge R&D investments. There are downsides, however, and our government's role is to enact policies that minimize those downsides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Youth of yesterday and yesteryear would channel their discontent into art and literature among other vehicles to effect real change The youth of today sit there clouded in ignorance with pink hair. Now what that says about our nation is indeed worthy of protest. Ironic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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