Predicto Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 Personally, I'd prefer if the NCAA stopped pretending these adults weren't being paid, and instead of screwing the people putting their necks on the line, actually paid them for their work. Instead, now the NCAA pretends that no one "cheats," and then gives the schools billions of dollars earned on the backs of the "worker bee" athletes, who are then villanized for taking 500 bucks.Let's get over it. Make it pro. Oh I agree with that too. I was just saying that no one here thinks Auburn should be off the hook because other schools cheat too. ---------- Post added March-30th-2011 at 03:10 PM ---------- Uh, if what you're saying is that you think that Congress should get involved in something which (AFAIK) is not even suspected of violating any laws (OK, maybe tax evasion), but only of violating the rules of a college sporting event, then I assume you that there's at least one person who disagrees with you. . Nope, not saying that. ---------- Post added March-30th-2011 at 03:11 PM ---------- I say pay the kids, cap what they can make but pay them. Yep. I am saying that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tater Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 I wish people would stop the players aren't paid rant.Most major sport athletes are paid. They get free room. Free school. Free books, free tutoring, and free food (plus a stipend). In exchange - they work for those luxeries via practices and games. Usually, they don't leave school 50k in debt like they rest of us - unless they are spending it on their rides and jewelry. Athletic scholarships do NOT pay a stipend and many do not pay for all the books needed in the class. Further, you are "guided" into certain classes that often leave even the degree next to worthless (though if you know that the counselors you get do not necessarily represent your best interests, you may overcome that). Now, certain academic and "need" scholarships do. This was very recently an issue in my family (chose academic over athletic scholarship due pretty much to the reasons I listed) but I've also dealt with the issue myself and have many friends who also had the same issue arise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 Athletic scholarships do NOT pay a stipend and many do not pay for all the books needed in the class. Further, you are "guided" into certain classes that often leave even the degree next to worthless (though if you know that the counselors you get do not necessarily represent your best interests, you may overcome that). Now, certain academic and "need" scholarships do. This was very recently an issue in my family (chose academic over athletic scholarship due pretty much to the reasons I listed) but I've also dealt with the issue myself and have many friends who also had the same issue arise. Speaking from personal experience, everything I said was correct at my school. Tuition, books, room, food, etc was paid. Stipend was given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tater Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 I don't see how this is something the federal government should be involved in. Even if it really were up to them to step in to sort things out, how do you stop boosters from handing a kid an envelope full of cash? Actually, there is more reason here than in the Bonds case. Many of these colleges are public universities or universities that take federal dollar so based on the reasoning in US v Grove City College and US v. Harvard, this is VERY much a federal issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tater Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 Speaking from personal experience, everything I said was correct at my school.Tuition, books, room, food, etc was paid. Stipend was given. I know that stipend and not ALL books were paid for by Big 10 schools as of 2007 from personal experience and was told that NO D1 school pays for ALL books. I also know from personal experience that such things were not done (at least above board though it was done under the table all the time) in the old SWC and in the Big East back in the 80s and early 90s. I've also been told that D2 schools don't do it (but don't know first hand). At least not on athletic scholarships, you can in some schools get a "need-based" scholarship added or do it under the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beans Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 U mad. The SEC won't get touched by anything that harsh. Not mad at all cupcake. I know the NCAA will do whatever it takes to protect their brand, and their cash cow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 I wish people would stop the players aren't paid rant.Most major sport athletes are paid. They get free room. Free school. Free books, free tutoring, and free food (plus a stipend). In exchange - they work for those luxeries via practices and games. Usually, they don't leave school 50k in debt like they rest of us - unless they are spending it on their rides and jewelry. That's crap, because every other college student who is on a full ride scholarship is still allowed to go out and get a job and earn as much money as they please and no one says a word. So please don't act like college athletes are treated just like every other student because they aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartacus87 Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 I Pray for the death penalty. The SEC has ruined the integrity of NCAA football. Wait, what? You realize that this sort of stuff is a very long going issue in both football and basketball? You should look up what was going on at UCLA under John Wooden. It's not like USC/UNC/Auburn is just starting this revolution in major men's college athletics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 Did you guys see that the Fiesta Bowl is being investigated and the BCS may drop them? Saw it on ESPN this morning. Saw an article (on my phone) that said that there's gonna be a push to kick Fiesta out of the BCS. (They're shocked, shocked I say, to hear that these things are going on.) Said pressure is (supposedly) going to come from the Cotton Bowl, which isn't a part of the BCS because their stadium isn't big enough, and from Jerry Jones, who owns a really big stadium that just hosted a Super Bowl. Edit: Link to article. (There's a lot of information there.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beans Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 Wait, what?You realize that this sort of stuff is a very long going issue in both football and basketball? You should look up what was going on at UCLA under John Wooden. It's not like USC/UNC/Auburn is just starting this revolution in major men's college athletics. You are right; however, going all the way back to Bear Bryant's Alabama teams it seems that the culture of corruption had its genesis in the SEC. Hell, SEC fans most definitely suscribe to the "if ya ain't cheatin, you ain't tryin" mantra. It's sickening. The funniest thing about the NCAA is that every big game telecast honors some sort of scholar athlete, who typically is barely treading above a 3.0 in some major like "local government". Give me a ****ing break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACW Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 And then you have ones like Emeka Okafor: His major at UConn was finance, and he graduated with honors after three years in May 2004 with a 3.8 GPA. One of his last courses at UConn was an honors-level finance course where students were allowed to make investment decisions for a small portion of UConn's endowment. Okafor was named the Academic All-American of the Year in 2004 for his work on and off the court.Star player, star student, lottery pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan2k Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 you know what. the federal govt needs to take the tax exemption from college sports. tax the **** out of these universities Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elessar78 Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Did anyone else watch Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel last night? As the article stated it covered this and much more. It also covered other subjects as Ed O'Bannon (UCLA basketball) filing a class action lawsuit against the NCAA for using his likeness in video games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 It also covered other subjects as Ed O'Bannon (UCLA basketball) filing a class action lawsuit against the NCAA for using his likeness in video games. Yeah, this is a really interesting part of this whole situation that the NCAA is making even more money off of these players while they do all the work in the hope of a sports future. What's even more interesting and I'm actually thinking this for the first time as I'm writing is that the NCAA is so proud of their commercials that show student athletes and how 95% of them will "go pro in something other than sports", sometimes this whole debate gets focused on the minority of athletes that will go pro while it ignores the myriad of athletes who will in the end never make a time off their athletic talents, meanwhile the schools and the NCAA reap huge profits from their labors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeachSkin Posted March 31, 2011 Author Share Posted March 31, 2011 It's about time: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/2011/03/ncaa-president-says-hes-ready-to-explore-paying-athletes.html# I'm with Jay Bilas on this...follow the Olympic model when it comes to college athletes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 It's about time:http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/2011/03/ncaa-president-says-hes-ready-to-explore-paying-athletes.html# I'm with Jay Bilas on this...follow the Olympic model when it comes to college athletes. Time will tell if they are serious, but something has to change that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elessar78 Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Maybe if coaches just stuck to the principles that are there then there's no need to pay them. The education (make it a true priority), then room and board, maybe a little spending money and cover travel costs back home. It's not like they aren't getting nothing. They SHOULD be getting an education at a top institution with free room and board. That's not for nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Maybe if coaches just stuck to the principles that are there then there's no need to pay them. The education (make it a true priority), then room and board, maybe a little spending money and cover travel costs back home. It's not like they aren't getting nothing. They SHOULD be getting an education at a top institution with free room and board. That's not for nothing. The thinking is that the athletic programs are more like technology schools as opposed to traditional education, as such the priority is not so much the degree but getting the athlete ready to be a professional. Once upon a time back when TV was in black and white and basketball shorts were Daisey Dukes the priority was on attaining a degree, but times have changed, and with as much money as is being thrown at these kids both during college and the potential money after college we're not going to change that any time soon. What's more is that the student athletes are responsible for the colleges earning more money than the benefits that the colleges ever give the students through tuition, room and board etc. If anything the students are doing a favor for the colleges, and the athletes and the boosters, and the administrations all know it. BTW what other student programs do the colleges and NCAA make millions off their hard work as undergraduates? I honestly can't recall the last time I tuned in to watch a geometry test. Put simply, this.....was not paid for by the Social Science Department. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 I Pray for the death penalty. The SEC has ruined the integrity of NCAA football. :ols: And out come the bitter losers. .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beans Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 :ols:And out come the bitter losers. .... If you ain't cheatin, you ain't tryin, am I right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 :ols:And out come the bitter losers. .... No joke right, as if cheating has only ever happened in the SEC and every other program and Conference has been free from it and the SEC is the lone black mark on the entire NCAA...what a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homercles82 Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 That's crap, because every other college student who is on a full ride scholarship is still allowed to go out and get a job and earn as much money as they please and no one says a word. So please don't act like college athletes are treated just like every other student because they aren't. So are NCAA athletes not allowed to get jobs while participating in sports? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 So are NCAA athletes not allowed to get jobs while participating in sports? No, because the NCAA is afraid that they will get "jobs" from sports boosters as a way to throw more money at the athletes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homercles82 Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 No, because the NCAA is afraid that they will get "jobs" from sports boosters as a way to throw more money at the athletes. NCAA is worried about that but drags their feet on violations of the supposed "code". Money corrupts easily I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 NCAA is worried about that but drags their feet on violations of the supposed "code". Money corrupts easily I suppose. I agree completely, like I said earlier in the thread, the whole system is messed up and it's time for a change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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