Larry Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Jesus. Does Mubarak think hurting - or God forbid, killing - an American journalist is going to help his cause? Actually, I would suspect it's more a case of "It's them reporter's fault! We had it good, and they're ruining it!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Actually, I would suspect it's more a case of "It's them reporter's fault! We had it good, and they're ruining it!" I think the idea might be to scare them off, confuse them, and keep them from being able to report on what is happening. ------ It looks really crowded in Alexandria too on Al Jazeera. I haven't seen much coverage at all on CNN today, except CNN International. I also haven't seen any of the reporters who were holed up around the square all night, on today yet. Maybe they're still resting or had to move to avoid the thugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpyaks3 Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Friend is reporting there is a lot of pressure on foreigners, pro Mubarak people have been intimidating people and calling them spies, but a big march is planned for Friday which will be a huge test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Apparently according to the reporters on Al Jazeera there are more petrol bombs being thrown. Also one of the nearby structures is on fire. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12307698 #1543: The BBC's Khaled Ezzelarab reports: One protestor killed in Abdel Monem Riyad Square in central Cairo, many more injured, among them three in critical condition. #1615: The BBC's Khaled Ezzelarab says the shift in focus from Tahrir Square to Abdel Monem Square appears to indicate a strategic advance for the anti-Mubarak protestors. #1617: New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof tweets: "Govt is trying to round up journalists. I worry about what it is they're planning that they don't want us to see." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpyaks3 Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Awesome picture sent to me by a friend of Christians forming a wall to protect Muslims during prayer at Tahrir Square Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Awesome photos, jypak. Truly inspiring, especially this last one ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Great work Jypak. And if the description of that last picture sent by your friend is accurate, it is a stunningly beautiful image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12307698 #1620: BBC World tweets: "Egyptian security seize BBC equipment at Cairo Hilton in attempt to stop us broadcasting." #1641: Sineh, a 60-year-old doctor, was treating people in Tahrir Square last night, tells the BBC: "I'm staying near Tahrir Square now, but I have not entered today as I have been warned that I could be attacked and my medical equipment confiscated by pro-Mubarak supporters." #1654: Iran's al-Alam TV reports that "a group of thugs" has beaten up one of their crews in Alexandria, and intelligence agents have confiscated their equipment. WTF? #1707: Reuters reports 10 people have died in clashes in Tahrir Square on Thursday, and a doctor at the square told the agency: "An hour an a half ago, two people were rushed to me with gunshot wounds to the head. They were gasping and died." http://www.enduringamerica.com/home/2011/2/3/egypt-and-beyond-liveblog-the-battle-of-tahrir-square.html 1627 GMT: There are unconfirmed reports that at least one more anti-regime protester has been killed around Tahrir. Government supporters and thugs have held high ground and have snipers that are shooting at people, some eye-witnesses claim. Reports confirm that these snipers have killed at least 3 people before this - all from gunshot wounds to the head. Meanwhile Suleiman is lecturing everyone and telling them to give Mubarak time. He seems to be studying from the Iranian government playbook of blaming foreigners for everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandymac27 Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 The coverage on MSNBC/CNN/FOX stinks. Thanks for the updates visionary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 The coverage on MSNBC/CNN/FOX stinks. Thanks for the updates visionary. BBC and CNN International have been covering it today, I haven't seen much of anything on the other channels. Al Jazeera English has been doing really good coverage most of the day. http://www.enduringamerica.com/home/2011/2/3/egypt-latest-live-coverage-from-al-jazeera-english.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandymac27 Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Per MSNBC: New Egyptian VP blaming Muslim Brotherhood for uprising/violence. ---------- Post added February-3rd-2011 at 12:36 PM ---------- BBC and CNN International have been covering it today, I haven't seen much of anything on the other channels.Al Jazeera English has been doing really good coverage most of the day. http://www.enduringamerica.com/home/2011/2/3/egypt-latest-live-coverage-from-al-jazeera-english.html Thanks for the link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Per MSNBC: New Egyptian VP blaming Muslim Brotherhood for uprising/violence. I must have missed that part of his speech. I did turn it off for part of it though, cause he was pissing me off, lol. I know he was blaming foreigners for distorting things and friendly countries with unfriendly media. Of course the anti-media element of the thugs has nothing to do with him or his buddies. ---------- Post added February-3rd-2011 at 12:43 PM ---------- http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/02/03/egypt-crisis-more-injuries-reported-in-cairos-tahrir-square/?hpt=T1 [update 7:29 p.m. in Cairo, 12:29 p.m. ET] The Washington Post's Cairo bureau chief, Leila Fadel, and a Post photographer, Linda Davidson, were among two dozen journalists arrested Thursday by the Egyptian Interior Ministry, the newspaper reported on its website, citing multiple witnesses. Good thing they sacked the Interior Minister. Oh...wait. Maybe he didn't arrest ENOUGH people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandymac27 Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 I must have missed that part of his speech. I did turn it off for part of it though, cause he was pissing me off, lol.I know he was blaming foreigners for distorting things and friendly countries with unfriendly media. Of course the anti-media element of the thugs has nothing to do with him or his buddies. Well, I have to admit, I don't know much about the new VP or the whole situation going on over there. I've been tuning in to get a little bit of history behind why the protesters want Mubarak out. I just find it hard to believe that you can blame all of this on one particular group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Well, I have to admit, I don't know much about the new VP or the whole situation going on over there. I've been tuning in to get a little bit of history behind why the protesters want Mubarak out. I just find it hard to believe that you can blame all of this on one particular group. The VP is one of his closest buddies and has a reputation for maybe being behind a lot of torture and disappearances of people over the years. On the other hand he has a long history of working with western diplomats. I do find it interesting how much xenophobia and anti-Americanism is on display from the pro-Mubarak forces and leaders, considering these guys are supposed to be the pro-western ones that we need in power to help us out. ------------ They just had an interview/mini documentary with a young woman among the protesters on cnn. Maybe they'll do some actual consistently live coverage again soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandymac27 Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 The VP is one of his closest buddies and has a reputation for maybe being behind a lot of torture and disappearances of people over the years.On the other hand he has a long history of working with western diplomats. I do find it interesting how much xenophobia and anti-Americanism is on display from the pro-Mubarak forces and leaders, considering these guys are supposed to be the pro-western ones that we need in power to help us out. Maybe we should stop sending $$$ to them. Has Obama mentioned anything about the situation as far as the U.S. getting involved? ---------- Post added February-3rd-2011 at 01:05 PM ---------- Egyptian Health ministry said 13 killed in overnight clashes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Maybe we should stop sending $$$ to them. Has Obama mentioned anything about the situation as far as the U.S. getting involved? He's been trying to pressure the government and the military to speed up the reform and transition, and reportedly wanted Mubarak to step down soon. Mubarak and the government have been extremely resistant to much of it so far. He's also been saying that it has to be up to the Egyptians and that Mubarak should listen to the people. He hasn't really said anything about us getting involved. ---------------------------- http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12307698 #1806: Alaa, one of the protesters in Tahrir Square, tells the BBC World Service: "In the middle of the square I can see tens of thousands of people in a celebratory mood. Families congregating and lots of young people. There isn't much shouting now; everyone is sitting around having a chat and drinking tea. But further down towards the Egyptian museum, there is still some evidence of a battle." #1804: BBC's Tim Willcox in Cairo tweets: "Walked back to hotel from bureau. No cabs. 40 mins. Dark balmy evening - chatting to Egyptians at roadblocks - tense but friendly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandymac27 Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 I think he should step down, like right now! If he doesn't I think Obama should make it known we won't be sending anymore $$$ over there. But that's just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/03/egypt-army-moves-in-as-pr_n_817935.html#415_shocking-video-protesters-hit-by-car This shocking video reportedly shows pro-Mubarak forces driving through a crowd at high speeds and hitting a protester. PsPBA-bEuEQ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/03/anderson-cooper-car-attacked-egypt_n_818170.html Anderson Cooper has been attacked for the second day in a row in Egypt. On Thursday, Cooper tweeted: "Situation on ground in #egypt very tense. Vehicle I was in attacked. My window smashed. All ok." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12307698 #1806: Alaa, one of the protesters in Tahrir Square, tells the BBC World Service: "In the middle of the square I can see tens of thousands of people in a celebratory mood. Families congregating and lots of young people. There isn't much shouting now; everyone is sitting around having a chat and drinking tea. But further down towards the Egyptian museum, there is still some evidence of a battle." On CNN they are saying that the Pro Mubarak supporters recently tried to rush the lines of the protesters and place themselves within attacking distance again (and give themselves a place to steal supplies from) and they were pushed back by the sheer volume of people and voices of the protesters. -------------------- http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12307698 #1823: Bel, a British freelance journalist in Cairo, says foreigners have had to go into hiding: "Anyone who is a journalist has been attacked, and if you're a foreigner the same problem is happening. I have now had to move into hiding, keeping away from windows, keeping away from any of the action and reducing my visibility online." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandymac27 Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 I wonder what they're shouting in that video of the guy getting run over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Generic question, here: I'm seeing a lot of "pro-Mubaric protesters did this" and "anti-Mubaric protesters did this" and "Thugs working for so-and-so did this". How anybody is able to determine which "side" is doing what is . . . ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpyaks3 Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Generic question, here: I'm seeing a lot of "pro-Mubaric protesters did this" and "anti-Mubaric protesters did this" and "Thugs working for so-and-so did this". How anybody is able to determine which "side" is doing what is . . . ? Its pretty clear on the ground who is doing what. Pro Mubarak protesters/secret police/ hired thugs tend to have certain characteristics and ways of doing things, add in the fact that anti-government protesters have been by and large peaceful and its pretty easy to determine who is doing what. EDIT: Pro Mubarak protesters/paid thugs all tend to be men and carry themselves a certain way, while the real protesters or the anti-government protesters are a far more diverse crowd. Also there is documented proof of government thugs operating in Tahrir square with their ID's confiscated. Article with confiscated id's http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2011/feb/03/egypt-protests-live-updates?INTCMP=SRCH#block-62 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSkins561 Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Anderson Cooper is pushing the limits of journalism to stupidity, I wouldnt be surprised if he gets stabbed or shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 I haven't been paying too much attention to this situation thus far, but that video of the guy getting run over and the reports of snipers picking people off are absolutely horrific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Remember when people on here used to post that Al-Jazeera was an anti-US propaganda outfit? Events certainly have not borne that theory out. They appear to be the only objective news reporters in the entire region. Which explains why they are getting their azzes kicked by the Mubarak thugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Generic question, here: I'm seeing a lot of "pro-Mubaric protesters did this" and "anti-Mubaric protesters did this" and "Thugs working for so-and-so did this". How anybody is able to determine which "side" is doing what is . . . ? I usually just go by what the people doing the reporting say. Although I don't think anyone can be certain of a difference between thugs and supporters of Mubarak right now. http://www.politico.com/blogs/laurarozen/0211/Egypt_working_group_Freeze_US_military_aid_to_Egypt.html "Until unrestrained thug violence began on February 1, the Working Group was hopeful that the Egyptian military would play a positive role in safeguarding a peaceful transition," said a statement Thursday from the group, some of whose members, including the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace's Michele Dunne and the Center for American Progress's Brian Katulis, were among Egypt watchers who consulted with officials at the White House this week. "If the government continues to employ such violence, the United States should immediately freeze all military assistance to Egypt," the statement continued. "We endorse President Obama's call for an immediate start to the process of democratic transition and hope that all forces in Egypt committed to that goal meet their responsibilities by joining in this vital effort now." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12307698 #1925: Time magazine reports that CBS chief foreign correspondent Lara Logan has been arrested.The Washington post is reporting that their bureau chief has also been arrested and some of their reporters. ON CNN they say the US State Department is stating that the Egyptian Interior Ministry is involved in rounding up and systematically detaining and attacking journalists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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