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1 hour ago, ixcuincle said:

I cannot "stay silent" on this issue any more I need to vent

 

All I sees is misplace blame on Ted Leonsis

 

Is Ted perfect? No. Has he made mistakes? Yes. He kept Ernie too long.

 

But the Wizards being mid year after year PREDATES TED.

 

IT'S NOT HIS FAULT THAT THE WIZARDS STRUGGLED FOR YEARS WITH ROD STRICKLAND AND JUWAN HOWARD AND CHRIS WEBBER, MAKING THE PLAYOFFS ONLY ONCE BEFORE BEING SWEPT BY THE BULLS.

 

It's not his fault that the Wizards have been mid since 1979.

 

The mediocrity predates him.

 

And this Sheppard guy too. See a lot of criticism about his drafting, yet yinz forget he got rid of the terrible Wall contract and by proxy the terrible Westbrook contract and freed up all that dead cap space. That said, he also did re-sign Beal to a terrible supermax.

 

Maybe you can try to tell me that the Wizards have a roster issue. And I may entertain that. But that's not on Ted. Ted has done his job. He has hired the FO people to build a team. On paper Kuz, Beal and KP were supposed to be elite. Injuries and inconsistency have cost them, and WUJ isn't immune to criticism either especially when we were promised defense. That said, the Wiz have been ass before Ted, during Ted, and after Ted. Why? Because they can't sign FA worth a damn. And if you can't sign FA you can't win in this league. Look at the teams that just assemble superstars and win titles like in GS / Miami with the Heatles / etc. You can't build a championship team from the ground up. Fine, GSW did it. But it's not easy. In fact, the cards are stacked against you in the NBA casino as a small market even if you have superstars. Look at Dallas. Still no titles with arguably best player in league. Or Denver. Got Jokic for years and he ain' done **** in the playoffs.

 

If you want to blame someone for the Wiz being ass, blame the NBA system. They are keeping the Wiz down. Yes, the drafting and scouting ass too, and they never let Rui thrive. But even if it was better, do you really think this team can ever win a title? Do you know how long teams like Detroit, Orlando, Charlotte have been ass? Heck Sacramento is JUST NOW getting out of their playoff drought...and from 2006 to 2016 they had [b]10 top 10 picks[/b]

 

Nah.

 

Ted isn't good at NBA'ing. Because there are other NBA franchises that are poorly run also, doesn't change that. And yeah, the team has been mid for a long long time. 

 

And I'll say this after going to the home game this year for their worst home loss ever..... the product off the court sucks too. They could have held a funeral on the top level and it wouldn't have been interrupted by fans into the fan. 

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33 minutes ago, Fergasun said:

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It is a fair point.  Look at Golden State between 1992 and 2011. 

 

The top of the NBA is dominated by the top players that every team that doesn't have a legit superstar is doomed to that mediocrity.  Especially since there's only 5 people on the court at the same time. 

 

The 20th best player in the NBA isn't good enough to carry their team.

 

Isn't this why the 76ers went hard into "the process"?

And what did they get? Embiid who averages like 40 a night, fine, but how many titles? Even if you tank for players and get lucky you may not be guaranteed a title. The Wiz best years in 25 years of the "Modern era" were the Wall and Beal years. They won the SE division and nearly won 50 games, something they haven't done again since 1979. And then they flamed out in the 2nd round.

 

So the Wiz, even WHEN getting lucky and getting superstars, still fell short. That's the problem with this stupid league.

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Nah.

 

Ted isn't good at NBA'ing. Because there are other NBA franchises that are poorly run also, doesn't change that. And yeah, the team has been mid for a long long time. 

 

And I'll say this after going to the home game this year for their worst home loss ever..... the product off the court sucks too. They could have held a funeral on the top level and it wouldn't have been interrupted by fans into the fan. 

washington has never been a pro basketball city

 

it's title is long forgotten by millenials and most people who weren't alive in 1979 to see it

I went to the Caps game on Friday and the Wiz game on Saturday. The Caps game had a packed bar for the March MAdness, even with the Caps losing 5-2. The same bar, the next day, pretty empty, like 6 people. with 5 minutes to go in the 4th nobody was there and they just closed it down with the Wiz losing by 20 to Sacramento. I had to go to the sportsbook to watch the end of the Penn State game lol

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1 hour ago, ixcuincle said:

And what did they get? Embiid who averages like 40 a night, fine, but how many titles? Even if you tank for players and get lucky you may not be guaranteed a title. The Wiz best years in 25 years of the "Modern era" were the Wall and Beal years. They won the SE division and nearly won 50 games, something they haven't done again since 1979. And then they flamed out in the 2nd round.

 

So the Wiz, even WHEN getting lucky and getting superstars, still fell short. That's the problem with this stupid league.

washington has never been a pro basketball city

 

it's title is long forgotten by millenials and most people who weren't alive in 1979 to see it

I went to the Caps game on Friday and the Wiz game on Saturday. The Caps game had a packed bar for the March MAdness, even with the Caps losing 5-2. The same bar, the next day, pretty empty, like 6 people. with 5 minutes to go in the 4th nobody was there and they just closed it down with the Wiz losing by 20 to Sacramento. I had to go to the sportsbook to watch the end of the Penn State game lol

 

It's almost impossible impossible to win a title in the modern NBA without a singular superstar.  It is almost impossible to recruit one without being a destination city.  So when those factors are combined, the natural conclusion for DC is to tank when you don't have a franchise player.  No one in their right mind would confuse Beal/KP/Kuzma for a championship core.  The fact that they came away with Wall/Beal/Porter as their core in the previous tankathon is not a reason to avoid tanking again, it just means you try again. 

 

Tanking does not guarantee you a title.  But for a city like DC where we can't lure the next superstar meet up, not tanking makes titles so much less likely.  

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On 3/21/2023 at 11:13 AM, ixcuincle said:

I cannot "stay silent" on this issue any more I need to vent

 

All I sees is misplace blame on Ted Leonsis

 

Is Ted perfect? No. Has he made mistakes? Yes. He kept Ernie too long.

 

But the Wizards being mid year after year PREDATES TED.

 

IT'S NOT HIS FAULT THAT THE WIZARDS STRUGGLED FOR YEARS WITH ROD STRICKLAND AND JUWAN HOWARD AND CHRIS WEBBER, MAKING THE PLAYOFFS ONLY ONCE BEFORE BEING SWEPT BY THE BULLS.

 

It's not his fault that the Wizards have been mid since 1979.

 

The mediocrity predates him.

 

And this Sheppard guy too. See a lot of criticism about his drafting, yet yinz forget he got rid of the terrible Wall contract and by proxy the terrible Westbrook contract and freed up all that dead cap space. That said, he also did re-sign Beal to a terrible supermax.

 

Maybe you can try to tell me that the Wizards have a roster issue. And I may entertain that. But that's not on Ted. Ted has done his job. He has hired the FO people to build a team. On paper Kuz, Beal and KP were supposed to be elite. Injuries and inconsistency have cost them, and WUJ isn't immune to criticism either especially when we were promised defense. That said, the Wiz have been ass before Ted, during Ted, and after Ted. Why? Because they can't sign FA worth a damn. And if you can't sign FA you can't win in this league. Look at the teams that just assemble superstars and win titles like in GS / Miami with the Heatles / etc. You can't build a championship team from the ground up. Fine, GSW did it. But it's not easy. In fact, the cards are stacked against you in the NBA casino as a small market even if you have superstars. Look at Dallas. Still no titles with arguably best player in league. Or Denver. Got Jokic for years and he ain' done **** in the playoffs.

 

If you want to blame someone for the Wiz being ass, blame the NBA system. They are keeping the Wiz down. Yes, the drafting and scouting ass too, and they never let Rui thrive. But even if it was better, do you really think this team can ever win a title? Do you know how long teams like Detroit, Orlando, Charlotte have been ass? Heck Sacramento is JUST NOW getting out of their playoff drought...and from 2006 to 2016 they had [b]10 top 10 picks[/b]

 

You forgot to use the sarcasm front, right? There is no way you can really be absolving ted and the worst ****ing GM in the league for the Wiz problems. And you certainly must be using sarcasm when you say that Kuz, Beal and KP were supposed to be elite. Cause that's some funny **** and loud wrong. 

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On 3/21/2023 at 1:37 PM, ixcuincle said:

And what did they get? Embiid who averages like 40 a night, fine, but how many titles? Even if you tank for players and get lucky you may not be guaranteed a title. The Wiz best years in 25 years of the "Modern era" were the Wall and Beal years. They won the SE division and nearly won 50 games, something they haven't done again since 1979. And then they flamed out in the 2nd round.

 

So the Wiz, even WHEN getting lucky and getting superstars, still fell short. That's the problem with this stupid league.

washington has never been a pro basketball city

 

it's title is long forgotten by millenials and most people who weren't alive in 1979 to see it

I went to the Caps game on Friday and the Wiz game on Saturday. The Caps game had a packed bar for the March MAdness, even with the Caps losing 5-2. The same bar, the next day, pretty empty, like 6 people. with 5 minutes to go in the 4th nobody was there and they just closed it down with the Wiz losing by 20 to Sacramento. I had to go to the sportsbook to watch the end of the Penn State game lol

 

You definitely don't understand the NBA. Embiid makes the 76ers championship contenders every year. Maybe they never win a title, a lot of greats don't, but that's so much more than the Wiz have been in my lifetime, and I'm clearly older than you. Every Wizard's fan would take what the 76ers have right now and love it, title or not. Just the same way that Caps fans have loved being contenders for years, even if there was a lot of heartache. 

 

Per the Wiz,: One reason the Wiz fell short and didn't maintain is cause EG absolutely sucked at drafting. Which is the same exact problem as Tommy dumb**** Sheppard. Absolutely wrecking any chance of the Wiz being good. The issues with Ted and the Wiz are that they have no plan to actually attempt to be contenders and Ted doesn't give a ****. His GM said this was a win now roster and they about to miss the play-in. That is terrible, again. And now the guy wants to double down and pay big money to players that are 9 games under .500 with 9 games left to play. 

 

 

 

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It's a really hard team to root for. Nothing about the franchise feels genuine. From the owner to the GM and down to the draft picks coming off the bench. It all feels forced and contrived. As with all sports winning is all that matters, and this team can't win games consistently or with any predictability. I don't know how you blow it all up with Beal's contract but you gotta figure out a way. Something about that dude is off. I haven't trusted him as a person since Wall was traded. 

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It's such a shame that any attempt to keep the big 3 i.e. extending Kuzma is going to lead to anger and angst from Wiz fans. They want Kuz, one of the most dynamic players this team has seen since Gilbert, to walk because they "cannot afford" to keep him.

 

If anything the main thing I'll critique is the Beal supermax. That was stupid like the Wall supermax.

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49 minutes ago, ixcuincle said:

It's such a shame that any attempt to keep the big 3 i.e. extending Kuzma is going to lead to anger and angst from Wiz fans. They want Kuz, one of the most dynamic players this team has seen since Gilbert, to walk because they "cannot afford" to keep him.

 

If anything the main thing I'll critique is the Beal supermax. That was stupid like the Wall supermax.


the wiz don’t have a big-3. I like Kuz and would much rather have him running with a bunch of young guys than Beal. but he’s not THAT good on the court. 

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55 minutes ago, ixcuincle said:

It's such a shame that any attempt to keep the big 3 i.e. extending Kuzma is going to lead to anger and angst from Wiz fans. They want Kuz, one of the most dynamic players this team has seen since Gilbert, to walk because they "cannot afford" to keep him.

 

If anything the main thing I'll critique is the Beal supermax. That was stupid like the Wall supermax.

 

Nobody would shed a tear for Leonsis going into lux cap to keep Kuzma.  People advocated for trading him because 1) many doubt he'll stay, 2) many doubt Leonsis will lock himself into years of lux tax for a core of Beal/Kuzma/KP (not that he should).

 

But this "capped as a low seed to play in" roster became baked in once Beal got his supermax.  Our only hope is to hit the jackpot at the draft lottery. 

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On 3/23/2023 at 2:51 AM, Destino said:

This is one of the most embarrassing season for the wizards I can remember.  They have stars on the court and can’t win.  Never seen a wizards team under perform this badly.  I’d fire absolutely everyone.  

 

I'm not even sure what excuse they'll roll out.

 

None of the "big three" missed so many games that health can be pointed.

 

Hell, think of how many games at least two went off and they still lost.

 

I sense a "we're close" blog with Davis needing an off-season to adjust to NBA and more depth to improve the bench.

 

As hard as it is to get stars here or even three players that good at the same time, I doubt they blow it up.

 

Expect a double down with full on "Wes as scapegoat" next season.

 

DC is a nice area, but players are terrified of our front office and pathetic player development.  Even just stopping through could dent their game and career, from their own words.

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Tommy and Wes are both massive disappointments.  I just don’t see how any owner can look at what they’ve done and think more is a good idea.  Tommy has been a massive failure, and Wes has been a terrible coach.  Tommy has assembled a first round treadmill team with no future, and Wes has somehow failed to win enough games to even be that.
 

they both need to be fired yesterday.  

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16 minutes ago, Hersh said:

Tommy will definitely blame the injuries and Ted will bring everyone back including WUJ. 
 

I’d love to be wrong.

 

Then he really does think we're stupid, because soreness isn't hurt or injured.

 

Kashmir pink (word that rhymes with wussy) ass quarter billion dollar shooting gaurd with back to back 23ppg seasons...

4 minutes ago, Destino said:

 

they both need to be fired yesterday.  

 

He brings them back, I change my mind on being okay Ted buying the Nationals. 

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