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jkypoo

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That DL group looks terrible without Haynesworth. If Al is traded or returns money and is released, we will need to reload the DL next offseason through the draft and FA. Maybe we can field a blue collar front 3 and get by with excellent LB's this year.

Actually...that is a GREAT set of 3-4 Defensive Linemen

Vonnie Holiday can stop the run and is exceptional at rushing the passer as a 3-4 DE.

Kemo is a BEAST at DT and Howard Green will probably be his backup...Holiday can play DT as well....

Big Phil is an excellent run stopper...In the 43, Big Phill is a slow run stopping DE that cannot rush the passer in certain situations....but in a 34, Phil is a big penetrating force that will allow Chris Wilson to rush around him and blow the QB up.

and ADAM CARRICKER...wow...the guy is 26 and a freakin animal as a 3-4 DE...great at what his position asks him to do and I am happy that he is a Redskin...alot of people seem to forget about him and the little we gave up to get him (practically nothing)...

The health of these 6 individuals is VITAL to the success of our defense this season...because we need these LBs to wreck havoc this year in our 3-4 set

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I agree that Kelly will be there, but I hope you're wrong about Capers. I believe Capers can make the final 53, and send Heyer with his walking papers. We know what we have in Heyer, and that's a guy that can come in for a game, maybe 2, but nowhere near starter or even quality back up material. If Capers goes to the PS, I fear that another team will pick him up quickly.

While I like Heyer alright you're overlooking the fact Hicks can play both tackle spots and Williams could be plugged in there in an emergency creating a line that looks something like this:

LT: T. Williams, Brown, Hicks

LG: Dockery, Rinehart, E. Williams

C: Rabach, Montgomery, E Williams

RG: Hicks, M Williams (or flip it around), Montgomery

RT: Brown, Hicks, M Williams

Teams passed on Capers for quite a while so he obviously isn't everything the pundits thought.

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Wouldn't be that surprised to see Brennan cut, but I don't think Bartel has enough talent to beat him out for the #3 spot. Bartel went to a D-II school and put up around 60%, 2000 yds, 13-7 TD/INT. Brennan put up around 70%, 4700 yds, 44-14 TD/INT per season. Say what you want about the scheme Brennan played in, but you put up that production, you're likely to have a better chance than the other guy. Would like to see someone else besides Rex as the #2 ideally, but if Kyle Shanahan is satisfied with him, so be it.

I don't see them giving up on Kelly. Both Shanahans stated how they're going to create gameplans specifically to cater to the two young WRs. I'm getting tired of waiting for them to produce, but there's no point in abandoning either of them for journeymen vets at this point. Moss, Thomas, Kelly, and Austin (because of special teams) make 4 of the spots. The final spot goes to whichever vet wins out, IMO.

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Is it normal for 3-4 teams to keep 10 LBs? That sounds like a lot.

I doubt Kelly gets cut. I'd take him over Galloway.

I was never that high on Colt, and I think he's seen as a Zorn pick, and Shanahan probably isn't interested unless he really shows something this off-season. You probably don't want a 'gunslinger' type as the 3rd QB anyway.

I'd say eight or nine would happen more often than ten.

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While I like Heyer alright you're overlooking the fact Hicks can play both tackle spots and Williams could be plugged in there in an emergency creating a line that looks something like this:

LT: T. Williams, Brown, Hicks

LG: Dockery, Rinehart, E. Williams

C: Rabach, Montgomery, E Williams

RG: Hicks, M Williams (or flip it around), Montgomery

RT: Brown, Hicks, M Williams

Teams passed on Capers for quite a while so he obviously isn't everything the pundits thought.

I know you mean Heyer can play both tackle spots, and not Hicks. However, just because Heyer can play both tackle spots, doesn't mean he can play them well.

Plus I believe the RT order would be Brown, Hicks, then Capers and BMW as last resorts because Capers is unproven and BMW looked horrid at the spot last season.

In all actually I'll be more surprised if Heyer makes the final 53 instead of being cut. Capers has potential to make a name for himself, while Heyer has had multiple chances and has done basically squat with them.

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I know you mean Heyer can play both tackle spots, and not Hicks. However, just because Heyer can play both tackle spots, doesn't mean he can play them well.

Plus I believe the RT order would be Brown, Hicks, then Capers and BMW as last resorts because Capers is unproven and BMW looked horrid at the spot last season.

In all actually I'll be more surprised if Heyer makes the final 53 instead of being cut. Capers has potential to make a name for himself, while Heyer has had multiple chances and has done basically squat with them.

No, I mean Hicks. He can play all line positions besides center.

I do not expect Capers to be on the final roster under any conditions. This is just one of the possibilities.

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and ADAM CARRICKER...wow...the guy is 26 and a freakin animal as a 3-4 DE...

LOL, I like the trade and think he has potential, but let's pump the breaks a little here. He may project well to a 3-4 but he hasnt even actually PLAYED there as a pro yet. At this point I'm not convinced he'll help us any more than Kenechi Udeze. (Remember him?)

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I think it depends on who plays better. Right now, you can't make a call there.

I would hope QB and every other position is performance based. I want every position one to done to be the best in order. I just didn't even know Bartel was anything more than a warm body, so seeing Colt cut jarred me a little bit. But on this point I agree: too soon

It would depend on if they play ST or not. They may be looking for that 3rd down back at some point in there, tho there aren't a lot of options.[/Quote]

Yeah, I understand the necessity to play ST. My remark was solely based upon my comfort level, which doesn't amount to a hill of beans in this crazy world, no sir. I'm comfortable with the fact that Shanny has demonstrated an aptitude for picking successful running back corps, though. So there is that.

Yoder has been gone a long time. He wasn't returning. It will be interesting to see which of the three options will make the team, since whoever does make it has to be a blocking TE.[/Quote]

And Yoder being gone doesn't seem/feel strange to anyone else? Am I alone here? I know that wasn't technically my original point, but...you know?

I think Furrey is a longshot to make the team. I think Wade or Roydell Williams have bigger shots to make the roster than him. I also wouldn't count out Anthony Armstrong if he continues to have a strong camp. For the last spot, it is going to be between Austin and Banks.

I do remember hearing good things about Armstrong during the camps. I would be delighted if some young talent impressed enough to stick around. And I have seen flashes from Wade in the past, but I wonder why he hasn't been able to sustain it.

I still think that Heyer would have to play his way off the roster for him not to make it. The fact that he can back up both tackle positions puts him at an advantage over Capers.

I keep telling myself that "Heyer is young still. He is young." And I hope last year won't stick with him too much. I may be in the minority, but I'm actually kind of pulling for him, as long as everything is performance based. Good point, too. I hadn't thought about it that way.

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RB: I see CP, Sellers, Johnson and Robert Morris making the squad. The rest is up in the air. O'Hallaran listed Morris as a TE, Coach said Morris will be used as FB.

This proposition scares me more than the OP. You only have two running backs making it. And two fullbacks. I just don't see how this scenario is possible.

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That would be Heyer's 2008-2009 campaigns. let's face it he will have to look like an all pro to beat out Hicks and Capers at this point, he's looked t6errible at the OTA's and Mini Camps.

It is a good thing for him that jobs aren't won or lost in OTAs. In any case, they thought something of him when they gave him a 2nd round tender, so I wouldn't call him dead meat yet.

I keep telling myself that "Heyer is young still. He is young." And I hope last year won't stick with him too much. I may be in the minority, but I'm actually kind of pulling for him, as long as everything is performance based. Good point, too. I hadn't thought about it that way.

Heyer was playing hurt, switching back and forth between the left and right sides, and when playing the right side, had a revolving door at the guard position. The guy isn't the most athletic guy in the world, but he does do a solid job out there and has plenty of experience. He's the kind of young guy you like coming off of the bench to fill in and know what he's doing out there.

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WR's in my mind go in this order- Moss, Thomas, Galloway, Kelly, Wade....so on and so on. Furrey has a chance to jump up here and Armstrong is a long shot.

I think Austin may take Furrey's spot if he's a good enough return man.

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My take on his initial 53 projections

QB:

While I know OTAs and minicamp is way too early to come to any conclusions, haven't the reports been that Sexy Rexy has looked pretty bad? I still think somebody else may be brought in to be the backup if Grossman sucks in the preseason.

RB:

I'll be very disappointed if Mike Sellers is on this team. He's a waste of space as far as I'm concerned and should be gone.

TE:

Fine

WR:

Boy that is one sorry looking bunch of wide receivers. With all the moves being made to add veteran wideouts, I very much believe that either or both Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly are in trouble. Shanahan recently did say that people need to stop referring to them as "young" and that they are now both entering their third seasons thus making them vets and that they need to produce.

OL:

The addition of Brown makes this line look halfway decent. We just need to get a Drive Killer Rabach replacement very soon.

DL:

Not very exciting but if they can stay healthy, not a bad bunch.

LB:

Very very weird seeing Carter, One Man Gang and Jarmon's names listed here. No question here is where the talent on our defense/team is. Fletcher, McIntosh, Rak, Carter, Jarmon, Riley. Some serious talent there.

CB:

Looks okay. Still need upgrade imo. Not a fan of the Rogers/Deionwannabe combo.

S:

Not sure what Moore has done to all of a sudden keep Horton "out of the rotation". He may end up doing that, but I've seen nothing to suggest it right now. I'm not looking forward to yet another year of Laron Landry making few positive plays and the ones he does make he decides to pose and stare.:doh:

Specialists:

Safe bet right now since none of those guys has any competition scheduled for training camp.

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Not sure what Moore has done to all of a sudden keep Horton "out of the rotation". He may end up doing that, but I've seen nothing to suggest it right now.

I'm not so sure what Horton has done to earn a spot in the rotation. He was pretty bad early last season, benched for Doughty, and then IRed.

He regressed, badly, starting at the midway point his rookie year.

On the other hand, Kareem Moore has showed steadily that he has superior coverage skills to our other three safeties. It is no stretch to me that Horton is on the outside looking in at a three man race. I hope he can recapture his early rookie magic, but until I see otherwise, I almost have to believe that Horton was in the right place at the right time for a couple turnovers, and the rest has been an image of a player created on message boards.

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Oh man. If that were to come to fruition, and CB be off the team, the Cult would bring the board to it's knees. :doh:.

Hail.

No, I think there would just be a sudden mass exodus of posters with a Hawaii zip code.

I would be more surpised if Malcolm Kelly gets cut than Colt - with the change at QB and additions on the O'Line receiver is now that spot on offense which worries me the most.

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Malcomb Kelly getting cut would be a shocker for sure. I think O'Hallaran is too wrapped up in the fact that Kelly doesn't play special teams. I don't see Galloway, Furrey, or Wade supplanting him unless he REALLY sucks in the pre-season.

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