BigMike619 Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 is the museum really just packed with jews? I would think it was like every other museum in DC and just packed with kids/every day people. did he ask them for some ID specifying they were Jewish before unloading on them? If you are going to do something this stupid you might as well at least make sure you shoot the right people. If these people were just normal Christian American he pretty much did the exact opposite of what he would want to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 I would guess that there is a high concentration of Jews or people who are sympathetic to the events surrounding the Holocaust. In this man's mind, that probably makes them all his enemy. I do know there are many Jews in there all the time. One of the great services the Museum provides is a geneology department and extensive records to reconnect and find lost family. I spent a day in there trying to find whether any of the branches I believed totally cut off had anything left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMike619 Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 I can see the symbolism but I dont get the logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stophovr6 Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 is the museum really just packed with jews? I would think it was like every other museum in DC and just packed with kids/every day people. did he ask them for some ID specifying they were Jewish before unloading on them? If you are going to do something this stupid you might as well at least make sure you shoot the right people. If these people were just normal Christian American he pretty much did the exact opposite of what he would want to. I don't know what he was thinking but I can take a guess that he saw anyone, jewish or otherwise, who ackowledged the holocaust as the enemy. Nothing he did was the opposite of what he wanted to do, or he wouldn't have done it. He struck fear in the hearts of probably everyone in that museum and all those in proximity to it. He probably accomplished just what he set out to do, even if he didn't kill everyone in the place like he probably hoped to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 I can see the symbolism but I dont get the logic. Honestly, I don't think any of us normal human beings can ever understand the "logic" behind heinous acts like these... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stophovr6 Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 I can see the symbolism but I dont get the logic. You're searching for logic where there is none. There is nothing logical about killing people for the sake of making a point or otherwise. Logic as you or I understand it was most likely not at play here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DjTj Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 is the museum really just packed with jews? I would think it was like every other museum in DC and just packed with kids/every day people. did he ask them for some ID specifying they were Jewish before unloading on them? If you are going to do something this stupid you might as well at least make sure you shoot the right people. If these people were just normal Christian American he pretty much did the exact opposite of what he would want to. He didn't try to shoot any Jews. He shot one black guy - the security guard at the museum: Officer Stephen Tyrone Johns died heroically in the line of duty today. There are no words to express our grief and shock over these events. He served on the Museum's security staff for six years. Our thoughts and prayers go out to Officer Johns' family. We have made the decision to close the Museum tomorrow in honor of Officer Johns, and our flags will be flown at half mast in his memory. http://dcist.com/2009/06/officer_stephen_tyrone_johns_died.php R.I.P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMike619 Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 thats what I mean. but I guess he probably hated black people too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stophovr6 Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 thats what I mean. but I guess he probably hated black people too. That's more than likely a safe bet. http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/06/james_von_brunn_a_profile.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 He didn't try to shoot any Jews. He shot one black guy - the security guard at the museum: The reports say he started to open fire as soon as he got into the building, but it didn't say who, what or whom he was aiming at. This poor soul just happened to be hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GibbsFactor Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 They have 14th street closed down because of it. That's how 25% of people leave DC. What a nightmare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 RIP Mr. Johns. And I am sorry to hear of your tragedy, Keeastman. This is awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baculus Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 . Never forget, but never let hate and despair win. What a sad and terrible event -- museums are places of learning and understanding, not violence. May the shot guard RIP. He died in the line of duty. And that was an amazing, touching story, Burgold. Thank you for relating it. Your grandparents and mother certainly had a journey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 Burgold's remarkable story. Wow. Just wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 And I am sorry to hear of your tragedy, Keeastman. Thanks. Wasn't trying to hijack the thread, but this museum shooting story just added fuel to my discouragement lately and it spilled over into this thread. My heart hurts for the loved ones of all victims, no matter how their lives are taken by senseless acts of violence. I (and I think most all of us) will never understand the type of mindset that leads a human to take another human's life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark The Homer Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 This is kinda close to home. My wife works at a DC Museum, and we know two people who work at the Holocaust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 Thanks. Wasn't trying to hijack the thread, but this museum shooting story just added fuel to my discouragement lately and it spilled over into this thread. It's all tied together. Often I think the greatest tragedy of the Holocaust is that we've had thirty more. And while this event at the Smithsonian has great symbolic in addition to the murder, all life is holy and should be celebrated and if unduly taken away, mourned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallsux Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 News Channel 8 locally and WTTG fox5 are updating the storyhttp://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/news/061009_2_shot_inside_dc_holocaust_museum 2 Shot Inside DC Holocaust Museum Updated: Wednesday, 10 Jun 2009, 1:30 PM EDT Published : Wednesday, 10 Jun 2009, 1:07 PM EDT WASHINGTON - Authorities say at least two people have been shot at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington. D.C. police spokeswoman Traci Hughes says a person walked into the museum with a rifle and shot a guard. Hughes says the shooter was also shot. It's things like the highlighted that make me really nervous. How the hell does he get inside with a rifle? I mean, I could understand a handgun, they are easy to conceal. but a RIFLE? :doh: At what point on the outside does some say, "Hey, that's not a giant pen, is it?" I just don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 Well, from the way I've heard it described, he didn't really get in. He basically took a step or two into the building and that was where the confrontation took place. Really, security needs to be praised here. They did as well as you could ever hope really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallsux Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 On CNN right now, they are talking about how white supremist groups are celebrating right now for his "heroism" today. :doh: Terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Washington Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 can this be considered terrorism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 On CNN right now, they are talking about how white supremist groups are celebrating right now for his "heroism" today. :doh: Terrible. can this be considered terrorism? Interesting question. I'd probably consider him a terrorist. I'm not sure if I'd consider the act one of terrorism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallsux Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 Well, from the way I've heard it described, he didn't really get in. He basically took a step or two into the building and that was where the confrontation took place. Really, security needs to be praised here. They did as well as you could ever hope really. Oh, I hear ya. I'm not criticizing them. They obviously stopped a monster from completing his agenda today. I applaud them & the guard that died today...very sad. What I'm more curious about is the surrounding civilians prior to getting there. I haven't read or seen all the details, but I guess I'm trying to figure out at what point do others intervene? I guess I would like to see more people actually react BEFORE things like this pop off, not just security. What a tragedy. BTW, Burgold, that was an amazing story about your grandparents. Truly inspiring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 Thanks all for the kind comments about my grandparents. I only ever knew my Grandmother, but she was the strongest and toughest person I've ever known. It saddens me that she had no choice but to become that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santana_Fan Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 I don't even know what to say on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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