WP: RI: Redskins Make Contract Offer to Daniels

[[[ghost]]]

I agree. The only reason we are offering him a contract is because Blanche has a love affair with him as a player. Blanche needs to realize he's career is over with. He'll never be what he was 3 years ago.

He is fantastic in run defense. Awful in pass defense.

At the time, we have nobody who can play that RE spot. At least Daniels knows the system, and we won't get run on.

Mostly, I think that if Orakpo is unavailable, we have to go with a OT, unless they're all gone too.

[redskin faithful]

Who else are we going to sign? Daniels looks to be in great shape. I remember last season everyone was excited since they were hearing about how much he worked in the weight room.

I agree. Lets get him onboard. We don't have many options.

[turtle]

lets get this done

[angel2]

Don't do it. Wait until the June cuts and get someone younger.

[bulldog]

Evans had 3 sacks last season. The club was getting no rush from the DE spots.

To say that Daniels coming back as a platoon player is a disaster for the club in 2009 is a joke.

Remember that last summer before he got injured Daniels was ahead of Evans on the depth chart.

I agree the Redskins need to find a young pass rush end, but Evans was not that.

His great quest for a starting job netted him a 2 year contract for $3.5M, which is very small potatoes. Other clubs outside of SF evidently agreed with the Redskins that he was a niche player, not an anchor on the DL.

Jason Taylor? He just doesn't have the desire to give 100% anymore. He will probably turn up in 2009 on another team as a pass rush specialist that gets on the field for 15 snaps a game at $2M-$3M.

But no way is Taylor worth $8.5M at his age and playing DE at 245. Not in the NFC East.

[TheLongshot]

];6203392']He is fantastic in run defense. Awful in pass defense.

Awful? Daniels is actually pretty good at batting down balls. No, he's not a great pass rusher, but that in itself doesn't make you 'awful' against the pass.

He's also a guy who can go inside and cause havoc in there.

The only question is, how much can he give you at 36? That being said, we do have a couple of young guys the coaches seem to be high on, so you can mix them in with Daniels and give him some breaks.

[bulldog]

again, Evans and Carter had 3 or 4 sacks each last year at DE. Taylor was a joke against the run. I guess the real opposition to Daniels is based on age alone. If he was 29 or 30 instead of 35/36 people would be saying we should keep him as a run stopper and match him with a young rush end.

[paloffs]

The longer we wait, the better? We're not getting any more desperate as the days go by but Daniels surely is seeing that the market's closing up.

[MWCREDSKINS]

We have to keep him there is no better option and I don't think Chris Wilson is a full time player. I also think bring back Wynn is a good idea for depth

[Popeman38]

It's funny. All this negative talk about Daniels and WYnn being too old. When a team like the NYG bring Wynn in for depth, it is seen as a wise move to provide depth. When we propose bringing Wynn in for depth, people fo ballistic saying we need to get younger. What gives? Wynn is a solid depth guy. Daniels is a thick LDE, that forced the RB to go wide freeing up the SAM to make the tackle, bats down passes while collapsing the RT into the pocket. This prevents the QB from ranging to his right, making it easier for AC to get there. How many times did AC beat the LT last year only to have the QB range to his right and throw the ball 1 step before AC got there? Eli killed us doing this.

[Skins n' Bones]

As others have said....signing Daniels does not mean he is automatically the starter at LDE. A rotation of him and a couple younger guys could be ideal.

And signing him for depth also doesn't mean they can't draft a DE....some people seem to think it is either or but it is not. Having an experienced vet like him could be the best thing to help tudor a young guy coming in.

And also isn't the whole point of signing Haynesworth that he will occupy blockers which will allow the DE's more opportunities even if they aren't the the greatest? A rotation at LDE should be fine with Carter on the other side.

And finally, as long as the Skins stick close to the vet minimum and don't guarantee much (if any) of his salary/bonus, signing him does not mean he will make the cut and be on the final roster, if a younger guy steps up in camp and preseason.

[HailGreen28]

It's funny. All this negative talk about Daniels and WYnn being too old. When a team like the NYG bring Wynn in for depth, it is seen as a wise move to provide depth. When we propose bringing Wynn in for depth, people fo ballistic saying we need to get younger. What gives?

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Because the Giants have a proven D-Line where they only need someone like Wynn for depth.

We, on the other hand, need bodies like him for our starting rotation. Thanks to Vinny and Danny's idiocy.

[elkabong82]

Because the Giants have a proven D-Line where they only need someone like Wynn for depth.

We, on the other hand, need bodies like him for our starting rotation. Thanks to Vinny and Danny's idiocy.

Wynn was a rotational guy in NY, and that's what he'd be here. They said he'd rotate at LDE, I didn't see anywhere where it suggested Wynn would start. In fact, Daniels is only bringing Wynn in as a packaged deal. I must have missed the part where they said Cerrato came up with this idea, or said we needed 2 big LDEs. So far only Daniels has received a contract offer.

And even if we bring Wynn in, likely at the vet min. that doesn't guarantee him a roster spot, so why are you and others acting like it does?

[turtle]

whats taking so long for this to get done?

[Popeman38]

Because the Giants have a proven D-Line where they only need someone like Wynn for depth.

We, on the other hand, need bodies like him for our starting rotation. Thanks to Vinny and Danny's idiocy.

Yeah, because our D-Line was garbage last year. We were the 4th ranked defense in the league. We didn't generate sacks, but we played well. Now that we will have a 2 way LDE instead of JT, who got to the QB via the Orange Line allowing RB to gash the D, the D should only improve. Even if Daniels is the starter, he gets 3.5 sacks while stuffing the run. And he will increase AC's sack total by not allowing the QB to roll to the right. With AH and CG/AM collapsing the pocket inside this D has real potential. Need a SAM, and a young LDE to develop no doubt.

[rictus58]

Daniels playing around 50% of the Defensive snaps at DE would be ok for a year or two. We need to get younger on the ends. No doubt.

[Stew]

Any update on this yet? Did he sign? Wynn?

[HailGreen28]

Wynn was a rotational guy in NY, and that's what he'd be here. They said he'd rotate at LDE, I didn't see anywhere where it suggested Wynn would start. In fact, Daniels is only bringing Wynn in as a packaged deal. I must have missed the part where they said Cerrato came up with this idea, or said we needed 2 big LDEs. So far only Daniels has received a contract offer.

And even if we bring Wynn in, likely at the vet min. that doesn't guarantee him a roster spot, so why are you and others acting like it does?

Because we don't have near as good D-line as the Giants do, and with the injuries our older players can expect to have, someone like Wynn would have to play a bigger role on this team.

[HailGreen28]

Yeah, because our D-Line was garbage last year. We were the 4th ranked defense in the league. We didn't generate sacks, but we played well. Now that we will have a 2 way LDE instead of JT, who got to the QB via the Orange Line allowing RB to gash the D, the D should only improve. Even if Daniels is the starter, he gets 3.5 sacks while stuffing the run. And he will increase AC's sack total by not allowing the QB to roll to the right. With AH and CG/AM collapsing the pocket inside this D has real potential. Need a SAM, and a young LDE to develop no doubt.

Our dline is OK against the run, but look who makes the tackles even then, our LBs.

We need more of an upgrade there than just one player (Haynesworth). Seriously.

[Skinsfor4]

whats taking so long for this to get done?

Hopefully just dotting I`s and crossing T`s?

[Darc Requiem]

I like how Phillip says that other teams are calling him . But they need him back and I hope its cheap.

Hey, I'm sure the four UFL teams are burning up his phone line

[Hooper]

Because the Giants have a proven D-Line where they only need someone like Wynn for depth.

We, on the other hand, need bodies like him for our starting rotation. Thanks to Vinny and Danny's idiocy.

Exactly. The Skins should sign both playeres only because they have to.

And they only have to because they have never a plan or any accountability.

[AKM311]

Is Rob Jackson strictly a RDE or can he play LDE? I remember him being bigger than most of the quick DEs and having a decent showing in preseason last year.

I hope he continued to get better and invest time into succeeding.

[Thinking Skins]

This is going to be a very underrated move. I believe we won't fully comprehend that until we see Vinny and the bunch not draft a single DE in this coming draft. I have a really good feeling about this.

The way I see it, we've lost 3 DEs so far this offseason (Evans, Daniels, Taylor). We've added a DT. So as of right now we've got at least two positions on the DL that are still looking for a player to fill in. We could just sign Daniels and Wynn and call it a day.

But I think this signifies that we're leaning more towards some of the DEs in the draft than anything else.

I mean think of it, what else are we going to draft? Our OL is Samuels, Dockery, Rabach, Thomas, Jansen, Heyer, and Reinhart. I'm not saying that these guys are good, just tht I can't see us cutting them. There's also the possibility of us bringing back Kendall. So thats 7 or 8 people out of list of 9 or 10 spots. And we haven't mentioned guys like Geisinger, Fabini, and Clark who were on the roster last year and may be brought back. And we'd also like space to keep a young UDFA who shows potental. I'm not saying that a move for a OT is out of the question, but I could see us drafting a tackle later in the draft more than early just based on the roster arguments alone.

Another position that we may address is the OLB because we have Blades Fletcher and McIntosh, and really nobody on the roster behind them. But in them, it seems like we at least have 3 capable starters. Blades may not be an explosive force at SLB, but he's servicable. So I can see this as a position we address with a second rounder or maybe with multiple picks in the draft to build some depth, but I think we're going to try to give Blades a chance to win that starting job.

[Thinking Skins]

again, Evans and Carter had 3 or 4 sacks each last year at DE. Taylor was a joke against the run. I guess the real opposition to Daniels is based on age alone. If he was 29 or 30 instead of 35/36 people would be saying we should keep him as a run stopper and match him with a young rush end.

But the age argument is a strong argument against Daniels, plus the fact that he's coming off a major injury at his age. He could probably be a good mentor to any young guy we bring in, which would be a nice thing to have. But do we really want to waste a roster spot on a mentor?

I think a question in this is really how much do the coachces expect from Jackson, Buzbee and Wilson? If they are high on any of them, then they may think we're set at DE and add some other young guys for depth only. I haven't seen enough of any of them to say much other than that I hope that they turn out to be good starters.