Redskins:Victory_or_Death Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 He's often seen hanging out with this guy, which I find verrrry interesting. Father Mulcahy Nooooooooooooooooooo!^^^ Me showing my age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 ooops Remember, no quoting pics I miss Rowan & Martin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighOnHendrix Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 Oh, now see, to me that's just asking to be sent away. And, looking at your user notes, you have a previous outburst that doesn't help your case, slack-wise. See you when you have your new e-mail address. However, while we don't own the net, some of us have access to these nifty little "user panels" Look, Jumbo even propped it open so it wouldn't hit you in the ass. Awwww, you shouldn't have. :violin: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 Well Jumbo, I must say that was the send-off of the YEAR. Bravo. :applause: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reaganaut Posted February 17, 2009 Author Share Posted February 17, 2009 I am really sorry to have created such a controversy. I am actually one of the chief detractors that went after Coach Zorn from the beginning on these necklaces. I am now becoming a convert. I swear again that my wife's symptoms again last night were gone with the restless leg syndrome. I woke up early morning and she was out like a log and didn't shift at all when I moved around in bed. This is completely new and I am pretty sure that a placebo effect wouldn't be as strong when someone is asleep. The necklace only cost twenty bucks. I'd seriously recommend trying it for chronic pain if you've tried everything else with no effect. My wife may just be the right type to experience benefit. She is a slender red headed woman with freckled fair skin and is allergic to a number of things. She is borderline anemic and has many of the traits one associates with red headed people. She has trouble wearing gold jewelry which makes her break out so she has a sensitivity with metals. When I put my titanium bracelet on her ankle, she says she experiences a metallic taste in her mouth. So, I'm not sure what is going on, but she may be the type of person who either experiences a strong placebo effect more than most people do (including in her sleep.) OR there is something to these necklaces. Just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reaganaut Posted February 17, 2009 Author Share Posted February 17, 2009 Yes. And they didn't ought to cost money or be marketed at weak minded fools should they. Because if they're PLACEBOS it's in your mind. Make up some story about some old rubbish and save yourself cash. Idsdbomber, I get where you're coming from because you are just being rational. They tried to prove that power lines cause tumors and that was proven wrong. I can tell you that I am witnessing this have an effect on my wife. So, to me that is empirical. How you explain this is entirely up to you. The only way to test this is double blind and I have a feeling that my wife would have a significant statistical result on a double blind test. I know the company who produced them hasn't done clinical trials with them with double blinds or they'd be featuring it in their marketing. There is something to these necklaces though in my opinion. Whether it can be proved or not is another thing. I suspect that it can. I will be honest. If the placebo effect wears off then I will report that back too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wbar3383 Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 If you cannot get along with the people on this board you need to move on. As you can see by the responses, most of the community did not like your statement. I think you are a little child, with no respect for the people around you. I dont care about your qualifications or your epeen. This is a community. Maybe you should take a couple more classes on how not to be a whiny little child. There is only 1 thing you need to know about me. I am a man. Internet tough guys bore me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 I'm glad your wife has less discomfort, but as to any real physiological effects of these bracelets, call me skeptical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reaganaut Posted February 17, 2009 Author Share Posted February 17, 2009 I'm glad your wife has less discomfort, but as to any real physiological effects of these bracelets, call me skeptical. I am skeptical as well, but there it is. We have tried a number of different treatments including acupuncture and chiropractic with limited and even negative results. I was skeptical of both of these too. Acupuncture worked because she has active "trigger points" or little knots the size of pencil erasers that release when needles are inserted in a certain manner. The effect wears off after a few hours and the pain returns by the next day in her back. She stopped the chiropractic because she was getting worse not better. The restless leg syndrome is helped temporarily when she loads up on iron supplements, but the effect is minimal compared to the Phiten necklace. I am happy to inform if the Phiten is a placebo, but for now I am inclined to believe it isn't. I can't say why it works, it just does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IbleedBnG83 Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 Well, I have a Phd in Physics. Quantum Dot Lasers. I have several papers published between 1996-1999 at Sheffield University in leading Physics journals. Feel free to email me if you want to compare qualifications, I'm assuming since you're making this post you're not a Physicist. Though you don't need to be one to smell the bull**** of the claim that when tired and stresssed "the positive and negative ions get out of balance". Maybe we should start using tired and stress people to generate useful power and electricity for us while we're at it. Someone has a small... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enter Apotheosis Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 Do I get bonus points for stating the obvious at the beginning of this thread? This thread will get interesting if it doesn't fall off the front page before tomorrow morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reaganaut Posted February 17, 2009 Author Share Posted February 17, 2009 Do I get bonus points for stating the obvious at the beginning of this thread? You are the man :applause: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moondog Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 Yes. I agree. But I wouldn't pay many dollars for something that by definition is not physically doing anything. I'd get my partner to "go to the specialist" and bring back something like, some random bit of metal out of the back of an old TV, make up some **** about "ionising radiation" that bears no relation to Physics, and save myself money.What part of that is it you're not getting? Just a simple question that's not necessarily related to the validity of the effectiveness of the necklace, but wouldn't it cost a lot more to "go to the specialist" then drop $20 on the necklace...they've got to be similar right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyBoy Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 I am really sorry to have created such a controversy. Reaganaut, whatever you do, please don't apologize. YOU did not cause a controversy. That was taken care of by Dr. ******-bag.........and was kindly shown the door as a result of his totally unwarranted responses. I think the fact that you went ahead and purchased the very item you mocked Zorn for, shows the lengths you were willing to go to find some form of relief for your wife. The situation sounded pretty desperate, so why not give it a shot for 20 bones? Though there will always be skeptics, it seems hard to argue with the results you've experienced. For that I'm really happy for both you and your wife. I hope the necklace continues to provide the relief your wife is experiencing for both your sakes, even if it DOES put a little damper on that "home remedy" of yours! As an aside.......I own a home in St. Leonard, too, and currently reside in Dunkirk. Nice to meet you, neighbor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskins:Victory_or_Death Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 Reaganaut, whatever you do, please don't apologize. YOU did not cause a controversy. That was taken care of by Dr. ******-bag.........and was kindly shown the door as a result of his totally unwarranted responses.I think the fact that you went ahead and purchased the very item you mocked Zorn for, shows the lengths you were willing to go to find some form of relief for your wife. The situation sounded pretty desperate, so why not give it a shot for 20 bones? Though there will always be skeptics, it seems hard to argue with the results you've experienced. For that I'm really happy for both you and your wife. I hope the necklace continues to provide the relief your wife is experiencing for both your sakes, even if it DOES put a little damper on that "home remedy" of yours! Motto. :applause::applause::applause: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarrellsMyHero28 Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 What LDSDouchebag doesn't get is that: A) Placebo has nothing to do with being weak minded in any way. Plenty of "strong minded" individuals have been fooled by placebo effects, anyone who claims to be above such an effect is full of it. Its a matter of convincing yourself consciously or subconsciously that what you're taking will help you. Hell I could probably get our resident prick of a doctor to feel better after taking some sugar pills, its all about the mental processes and the body's natural ability to heal. We're not talking about overly expensive products here. I would say its sad if these people were lying to customers and stealing massive amounts of money for some necklace that did nothing, but this isn't the case. C) If it works, it works. It doesn't have to be an FDA approved, scientifically validated product subjected to peer reviews and rigorous testing. If it makes his wife feel better, that's what matters. D) I don't have a PhD in Physics, nor have I published anything worth mentioning. And LDSDouchebag can kiss it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinz4Life12 Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 did ldsdbomber get perma banned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MassSkinsFan Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 What LDSDouchebag doesn't get is that:A) Placebo has nothing to do with being weak minded in any way. Plenty of "strong minded" individuals have been fooled by placebo effects, anyone who claims to be above such an effect is full of it. Its a matter of convincing yourself consciously or subconsciously that what you're taking will help you. Hell I could probably get our resident prick of a doctor to feel better after taking some sugar pills, its all about the mental processes and the body's natural ability to heal. We're not talking about overly expensive products here. I would say its sad if these people were lying to customers and stealing massive amounts of money for some necklace that did nothing, but this isn't the case. C) If it works, it works. It doesn't have to be an FDA approved, scientifically validated product subjected to peer reviews and rigorous testing. If it makes his wife feel better, that's what matters. D) I don't have a PhD in Physics, nor have I published anything worth mentioning. And LDSDouchebag can kiss it. A) - Sort of; placebo effect does not correlate to weak-mindedness, but I don't agree that mind over matter is always the answer. - Agreed, though if they sell a high volume then they're ultimately making a killing. I don't like this because without data, it's snake-oil. C) - If a specific case is addressed by use of Phiten, that's great. However, the law says you do need data and FDA approval if you're selling this as a therapeutic treatment in the US - I think this is marketed in such a way that it only IMPLIES health benefits rather than claiming them. If it claimed them the FDA would ultimately enforce. If you look at the history of US Food and Drug Law you'll see that these regulations were put in place to protect people from unsafe or ineffective products (i.e. "snake oil"). Without data, there is no scientific proof that this is effective. Unfortunately, the story in question in this thread constitutes hearsay. That said, I don't see any evidence that the use of Phiten is harmful, so it's really no big deal as long as they're clear that it may or may not work. D) - Agreed - that little troll had an axe to grind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarrellsMyHero28 Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 A) - Sort of; placebo effect does not correlate to weak-mindedness, but I don't agree that mind over matter is always the answer. If I give you a pill and tell you its a painkiller, there is a great chance that you're going to feel better, no matter what the pill has in it. At the end of the day, this thread probably belongs in the tailgate because we're not really talking Redskins football. And lsdhwhatever is a lonely *******, who probably never cracked a physics textbook in his life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HapHaszard Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 Recently I was suffering from a severe pain in my stomach, I went to Publix Super Market and purchased a 1 inch thick New York Strip steak and a large baking potato which I put on the grill and in no time at all they were cooked and I ate them. The stomach pain went away. Placebo? I think not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MassSkinsFan Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 If I give you a pill and tell you its a painkiller, there is a great chance that you're going to feel better, no matter what the pill has in it.At the end of the day, this thread probably belongs in the tailgate because we're not really talking Redskins football. And lsdhwhatever is a lonely *******, who probably never cracked a physics textbook in his life. I'm saying that the placebo effect phenomenon does not mean that those effected have weak minds; also I'm saying that mind over matter does not always guarantee a cure - look at alternative cancer treatments, or standard ones for that matter. Yes, he's a real winner Mr. LSDbomb... As for the Stadium, the main concern I'd have is if our team members start openly promoting this as a cure. If they promote it only by wearing it, that's OK but I'd rather not see our guys giving testimonials for it. :2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HapHaszard Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 Father Mulcahy Nooooooooooooooooooo!^^^ Me showing my age. I thought that was Artie Johnson from Rohan and Martins "Laughin"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskins:Victory_or_Death Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 I thought that was Artie Johnson from Rohan and Martins "Laughin"? I think you're right... I do know that "Father Mulcahy" played a nazi on Hogan's Heroes one or two times... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSilverMaC Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Lol @ the PhD that couldn't figure out how to work the interwebz properly and wound up not only on the NNT list but managed to get banned too. I look forward to reading the thread where his new account (you know, the one with the new email address) gets discovered and he gets banned again, failing for the third time. Congrats to the OP though, placebo or not, I hope the effect continues for her and anyone else it has worked for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyBoy Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Recently I was suffering from a severe pain in my stomach, I went to Publix Super Market and purchased a 1 inch thick New York Strip steak and a large baking potato which I put on the grill and in no time at all they were cooked and I ate them. The stomach pain went away. Placebo? I think not. I have to admit, now I have a pain in my stomach as well.........from laughing my butt off at this post! Great post and truly funny! :rotflmao: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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