Koolblue13 Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 I am a life long tobacco user and quitting is hard as hell. Even the folks who have quit will say they still get the urge. The is zero rewarding qualities to it, other thank enjoying a smoke. Smokers are a burden to the health care industry as well. Personally, I would like to see the "manufacturing of prerolled tobacco" made illegal. I know the industry employees thousands of illegals as well as actual citizens, but wouldn't we be better off without. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rincewind Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 Yes, you just shouldn't be allowed to smoke anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 Actually, I've read that smoking actually saves the taxpayers a lot of money. Smokers have much higher health care costs on Medicare and Medicaid. But they also die a lot younger, saving Social Security Billions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinz4Life12 Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 make that **** illegal! and then legalize weed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted November 20, 2008 Author Share Posted November 20, 2008 make that **** illegal! and then legalize weed!I was going to add that in the poll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulRebel Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 When they come pre-rolled, they usually include filters which makes them slightly safer. It was your decision to start smoking, keep smoking, and the attempt to eventually quit. So if it was illegal no one would use tobacco? Lets look at other illegal substances, people still use heroin, opium, crack, cocaine, cannabis, speed, meth, alcohol during prohibition, and so on. And usually making the substances illegal only drives up costs, makes them less pure and more harmful, and invites criminal elements into the black market. Sorry you're having such a tough time quitting but making tobacco illegal will create many more problems than any it may solve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 No, smoking should not be made illegal. I would, however, like to not pay for smoker's health care. So, if they want to take the full responsibilty for their health care, let them smoke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted November 20, 2008 Author Share Posted November 20, 2008 When they come pre-rolled, they usually include filters which makes them slightly safer. It was your decision to start smoking, keep smoking, and the attempt to eventually quit. So if it was illegal no one would use tobacco? Lets look at other illegal substances, people still use heroin, opium, crack, cocaine, cannabis, speed, meth, alcohol during prohibition, and so on. And usually making the substances illegal only drives up costs, makes them less pure and more harmful, and invites criminal elements into the black market. Sorry you're having such a tough time quitting but making tobacco illegal will create many more problems than any it may solve.I have a hard time believing there would be a black market for smokes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianm23 Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 I dont' smoke and never will, but I don't think it should be illegal. I do like the fact that most things are becoming smoke free. I shouldn't have to endure their habits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsBry Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 I only smoke when I drink but I couldn't imagine not having smokes with drinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighOnHendrix Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 When they come pre-rolled, they usually include filters which makes them slightly safer. It was your decision to start smoking, keep smoking, and the attempt to eventually quit. So if it was illegal no one would use tobacco? Lets look at other illegal substances, people still use heroin, opium, crack, cocaine, cannabis, speed, meth, alcohol during prohibition, and so on. And usually making the substances illegal only drives up costs, makes them less pure and more harmful, and invites criminal elements into the black market. Sorry you're having such a tough time quitting but making tobacco illegal will create many more problems than any it may solve. :applause: I don't smoke but I'm appalled at the way they are treated by an increasing number of people today. This used to be a free country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighOnHendrix Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 I have a hard time believing there would be a black market for smokes. There are some jails and prisons that do not allow smoking or the possession of cigarettes. Guess what they have? A black market for smokes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted November 20, 2008 Author Share Posted November 20, 2008 There are some jails and prisons that do not allow smoking or the possession of cigarettes. Guess what they have? A black market for smokes. That's in prison. It's not even the same conversation. They are also not smoking 20 smokes a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurrayH81 Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 Yes, but I believe that the people who make the choice to use this product in this day and age (with all the warnings, negative publicity and public discourse) should be denied care for and diseases or injuries which scientifically are the result of smoking (or using other taboco products). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulRebel Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 I have a hard time believing there would be a black market for smokes. Maybe there wouldn't be, but already there are many who try to get around cigarette taxes with underground tobacco and to think that a substance so widely used would suddenly disappear seems naive to me, perhaps optimistic to you. Just look at those under 18, they only reason they smoke is because it's illegality makes it cool, IMHO. I would say that trend would continue if it was illegal for everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raub Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 Certainly shouldn't be illegal. What you want to put into your body is your business. I do like the gradual shift to more non-smoking places though. Others shouldn't be exposed to your choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulRebel Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 :applause: I don't smoke but I'm appalled at the way they are treated by an increasing number of people today. This used to be a free country. Right on! And big up to Hamilton for winning it this year!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 Keep em legal. Tax them more and continue to ostracize those that smoke. We all win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 Sure, I say smoke all you want. Just please don't do it where I have to breathe it. That should be illegal. And if any smokers want to quote this post and argue with me, fine. Next time I see you out at dinner huffing on a cigarette where I have to breathe it, I'm going to walk over to your table and take a dump on your lasagna. I guess that would be my choice. Nevermind the health risk posed to you. Actually, I've read that smoking actually saves the taxpayers a lot of money. Smokers have much higher health care costs on Medicare and Medicaid. But they also die a lot younger, saving Social Security Billions. Keep smokin people, keep smokin! :applause: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 Very surprised to see this thread coming from you KB. I thought you were all about the government staying out of everyone's personal choices? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laurent Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 Definition for schedule 1 drugs: (A) The drug or other substance has high potential for abuse. ( The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States. © There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision. When it comes to a drug that is currently listed in schedule I, if it is undisputed that such drug has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States and a lack of accepted safety for use under medical supervision, and it is further undisputed that the drug has at least some potential for abuse sufficient to warrant control under the CSA, the drug must remain in schedule I. In such circumstances, placement of the drug in schedules II through V would conflict with the CSA since such drug would not meet the criterion of "a currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States." 21 USC 812(. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted November 20, 2008 Author Share Posted November 20, 2008 Very surprised to see this thread coming from you KB.I thought you were all about the government staying out of everyone's personal choices? I am. It just seems like one of those things that shouldn't be. It's actually a cry for help and everybody is ****ting on it.:cry: I would like to see the manufacturing of it illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titaw Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 I think they should be made illegal. I am a smoker and I hate them, but as many times as I try to quit, I have a harder and harder time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 I am. It just seems like one of those things that shouldn't be.It's actually a cry for help and everybody is ****ting on it.:cry: I would like to see the manufacturing of it illegal. You want to know how to quit smoking KB? Get mad. That's what I did. I mean, face it. You're the tobacco company's *****. They laugh at you. Hell, they love you. They roll their cigarettes, put their warning on them, and laugh their way to the bank because people like you keep lining up. HAHAHAHAHA Picture some big, fat, executive prick sucking on a big cigar sitting behind his enormous wooden desk, thankful for all of his ****es out there. He's got a beautiful estate and he drives a mercedes to work. He's laughing at you. He knows you won't quit. You're a smoker for life. You're his *****. Do you like being this guys' *****? Do you like paying for his wife's masseuse? No? Then do something about it. Quit. **** them. **** that pretentious suit sitting behind his desk laughing at you. He's not getting your money anymore. Nobody owns you. Show them that is the case. Show yourself. ........................ Best of luck quitting KB. It will be the best thing you've ever done. You will NEVER regret doing it. You will feel 1000x's better, almost immediately. I found that there is a lot of support out there on the web. Every time I really wanted a cig, I closed myself in my office and read testimonials from others that quit. Oh yah, and I reminded myself that I was a tobacco executive's prison *****. I didn't like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IONTOP Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 I'm going to walk over to your table and take a dump on your lasagna. Hell yeah!!!! I usually have to pay extra for that!!! (P.S. Can you eat corn first?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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