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Who said that Obama was goingto be soft on terror. God bless him. He has all the mess Bush left behind to deal with.

Obama administration to ratchet up hunt for bin Laden

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President-elect Barack Obama to renew efforts to hunt down Osama bin Laden

"We will kill bin Laden," he said in a debate last month

Intelligence officials say it won't be easy; one says spies on the ground is key

"I don't think the American people will accept him surviving and us leaving"

By Kelli Arena

CNN Justice Department Correspondent

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President-elect Barack Obama wants to renew the U.S. commitment to finding al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden, according to his national security advisers.

The Obama team believes the Bush administration has downplayed the importance of catching the FBI's most-wanted terrorist because it has not been able to find him.

"We will kill bin Laden. We will crush al Qaeda. That has to be our biggest national security priority," Obama said during the presidential debate on October 7.

But tracking down bin Laden won't be easy.

In May, al Qaeda released an audiotape featuring bin Laden. But U.S. intelligence officials say they haven't had a solid lead on the terrorist mastermind's whereabouts since late 2001, when he was nearly captured in a battle with U.S. forces near Tora Bora, Afghanistan.

Robert Baer, a former CIA field officer, told CNN he's talked to "a dozen CIA guys who've been on the hunt for him, and half of them told me they assumed he was dead, the other half said they assumed he was alive, but the key word here is assume. They don't know." Watch the hunt for bin Laden »

Intelligence officials believe bin Laden is hiding in the tribal areas of northwest Pakistan, a remote and primitive region with mountain peaks as tall as 14,000 feet (4,270 meters) that make the terrain difficult to navigate.

"If you think of this as sort of a combination of [the hunt for] Eric Rudolph, who was the Olympic bomber, and the movie 'Deliverance,' multiplied by a factor of 10, that's really what you're focusing on in trying to find bin Laden," said Robert Grenier, the former CIA station chief in Pakistan.

The region is divided up by tribes, some of them warring. Developing human sources in the area has been extremely difficult. See a timeline of bin Laden's terror messages »

"What you literally need to have is an army of individual informants, hopefully focused on the areas that you think bin Laden is most likely to be hiding in," said Grenier, now a security consultant with Kroll.

"But again, you need to have a whole lot of them because one individual who may have access to the families and the clans in a particular valley, if he goes to the valley next door and starts asking questions, he's probably gonna end up dead pretty quickly."

The U.S. government is offering a $25 million reward for information leading to bin Laden's capture, but officials who have worked in the region say the people living there would consider it dishonorable to take the money.

The United States has had some success killing al Qaeda leaders in Pakistan using unmanned drones equipped with Hellfire missiles, but those attacks have killed innocent civilians as well, complicating the political situation between the two countries.

Obama plans to send more troops into Afghanistan to push back the growing Taliban insurgency, but experts warn there could be severe consequences.

"The president is going to inherit the problem the Soviets had roughly 15 years ago during the Soviet jihad. You cannot tame the people in the North-West Frontier Province and on the border in Pakistan and Afghanistan," said Dalton Fury, the commander of special operations at Tora Bora.

"The only army that has been successful has been Genghis Khan and his Mongol horde. They cut off heads and killed everyone in the villages, and since we have self-imposed rules of warfare, we are not going to do what they did."

Cooperation from Pakistan's military has been touchy, and most experts agree finding bin Laden is just not a priority for Pakistan's troops.

Fury says the best route for the president-elect to take would be to change the dialogue about bin Laden. Intelligence officials do not believe he is playing an operational role and so has no reason to move around or communicate.

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On the off chance that Bin Laden is actually alive. Obama has no better chance of getting into Pakistan than Bush. Unless Obama is going to use BL as an excuse to attack Pakistan.

Does anyone else see that Obama is and has been clearly laying the groundwork for leaving the troops in place for the undetermined future?

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This article is BS, and the thread is BS. Obama IS SOFT ON TERROR. Wake up....it's already been reported that he and his pals are planning non-military trials for the TERRORISTS that are being held in Cuba. Millions of dollars will be wasted getting lawyers for these fine, upstanding MUSLIM TERRORISTS who were captured on the battlefield trying to kill Americans. Gee....one can only wonder how many the LIBERAL court system will set free. Yippee! (How bout we set em all free and put them in housing NEXT DOOR to you? They're good people, huh?) Real Americans wants all of the TERRORISTS killed by a firing squad. It's already known that at least 50 TERRORISTS that were previously released down there are right back at it overseas trying to kill AMERICANS again.

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This article is BS, and the thread is BS. Obama IS SOFT ON TERROR. Wake up....it's already been reported that he and his pals are planning non-military trials for the TERRORISTS that are being held in Cuba. Millions of dollars will be wasted getting lawyers for these fine, upstanding MUSLIM TERRORISTS who were captured on the battlefield trying to kill Americans. Gee....one can only wonder how many the LIBERAL court system will set free. Yippee! (How bout we set em all free and put them in housing NEXT DOOR to you? They're good people, huh?) Real Americans wants all of the TERRORISTS killed by a firing squad. It's already known that at least 50 TERRORISTS that were previously released down there are right back at it overseas trying to kill AMERICANS again.

Yes, they will stand trial. You know why? Because this is America, and that it what we do. And if they are guilty, then they will be convicted and executed, because that is how the system works. You don't like fair trials for everyone, move to China.

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This article is BS, and the thread is BS. Obama IS SOFT ON TERROR. Wake up....it's already been reported that he and his pals are planning non-military trials for the TERRORISTS that are being held in Cuba. Millions of dollars will be wasted getting lawyers for these fine, upstanding MUSLIM TERRORISTS who were captured on the battlefield trying to kill Americans. Gee....one can only wonder how many the LIBERAL court system will set free. Yippee! (How bout we set em all free and put them in housing NEXT DOOR to you? They're good people, huh?) Real Americans wants all of the TERRORISTS killed by a firing squad. It's already known that at least 50 TERRORISTS that were previously released down there are right back at it overseas trying to kill AMERICANS again.

So you really think he'll release em out without standing trial? So guess who started GITMO and they yet sit there without a trial. Please tell us :)

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This article is BS, and the thread is BS. Obama IS SOFT ON TERROR. Wake up....it's already been reported that he and his pals are planning non-military trials for the TERRORISTS that are being held in Cuba. Millions of dollars will be wasted getting lawyers for these fine, upstanding MUSLIM TERRORISTS who were captured on the battlefield trying to kill Americans. Gee....one can only wonder how many the LIBERAL court system will set free. Yippee! (How bout we set em all free and put them in housing NEXT DOOR to you? They're good people, huh?) Real Americans wants all of the TERRORISTS killed by a firing squad. It's already known that at least 50 TERRORISTS that were previously released down there are right back at it overseas trying to kill AMERICANS again.

He'll probably apologize for America having made them angry in the first place and offer to give them US citizenship and welfare for life. Right after he takes away all the guns from real americans and forces all of us to submit to gay sensitivity training and teach about the virtues of abortion to kindergardners. Don't forget about civilian national security that he is going to use to use to scare americans into supporting his radical agenda!

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This article is BS, and the thread is BS. Obama IS SOFT ON TERROR. Wake up....it's already been reported that he and his pals are planning non-military trials for the TERRORISTS that are being held in Cuba. Millions of dollars will be wasted getting lawyers for these fine, upstanding MUSLIM TERRORISTS who were captured on the battlefield trying to kill Americans. Gee....one can only wonder how many the LIBERAL court system will set free. Yippee! (How bout we set em all free and put them in housing NEXT DOOR to you? They're good people, huh?) Real Americans wants all of the TERRORISTS killed by a firing squad. It's already known that at least 50 TERRORISTS that were previously released down there are right back at it overseas trying to kill AMERICANS again.

Do you have any facts, sources, or logic behind why Obama will be soft on terror. So basically if you dont believe something, no matter how well researched or sourced it is BS. However, you don't need to source anything or do any research you can just spout off opinions and you want people to take you seriously. Also why did you say Muslim terrorists, does it really matter what religion they are IF and thats a big if they were trying to harm the United States?

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On the off chance that Bin Laden is actually alive. Obama has no better chance of getting into Pakistan than Bush. Unless Obama is going to use BL as an excuse to attack Pakistan.

Does anyone else see that Obama is and has been clearly laying the groundwork for leaving the troops in place for the undetermined future?

Obama has actually called for more troops in Afghanistan than Bush deployed.....

I also think since Bush has been paying Pakistan billions and Billions of aid dollars for little or nothing in the way of cooperation; and that Bush has even said flat out in the press that Osama Bin Laudin was not a target of our war on Terror and that he didn't care if he was ever captured, It's a stretch to claim Bush has even been consistant in his search for this 911 mastermind.

I think at the very least Obama will be looking, constistantly; and that will be an improvement.

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This article is BS, and the thread is BS. Obama IS SOFT ON TERROR. Wake up....it's already been reported that he and his pals are planning non-military trials for the TERRORISTS that are being held in Cuba. Millions of dollars will be wasted getting lawyers for these fine, upstanding MUSLIM TERRORISTS who were captured on the battlefield trying to kill Americans. Gee....one can only wonder how many the LIBERAL court system will set free. Yippee! (How bout we set em all free and put them in housing NEXT DOOR to you? They're good people, huh?) Real Americans wants all of the TERRORISTS killed by a firing squad. It's already known that at least 50 TERRORISTS that were previously released down there are right back at it overseas trying to kill AMERICANS again.

Like Truman was soft on Nazi's after WWII? All the Nazi's got Trials, and some of them were responsible for the death of millions.

Like McAurthor was soft on the Japanese after WWII? McAurthor as military governor of Japan put the Japanese war criminals on trial too, some of them were responsible for Pearl Harbor which marked our entrance into WWII as well as the Bataan Death March which killed tens of thousands of US and Allied Servicemen..

Fact is we've always put war criminals on trial, just as we've always put criminals on trial. We've never used a definition like "enemy combatant" to get around our laws before Bush.

You know the #1 concern of the Bush administration voiced when Obama said he wanted to close Guantonamo and use trials to separate the guilty? (A policy shared by Bush's own Secretary of Defense).... The Bush administration had not collected any evidence against the detainee's!!!

Doesn't that give you pause?

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Obama has actually called for more troops in Afghanistan than Bush deployed.....

I also think since Bush has been paying Pakistan billions and Billions of aid dollars for little or nothing in the way of cooperation; and that Bush has even said flat out in the press that Osama Bin Laudin was not a target of our war on Terror and that he didn't care if he was ever captured, It's a stretch to claim Bush has even been consistant in his search for this 911 mastermind.

I think at the very least Obama will be looking, constistantly; and that will be an improvement.

The problem isn't the fact that we don't have enough troops, its the fact that the Pakistan/ISI and India intelligence services are using Afghanistan as a proxy. Pakistan is undermining what they believe to be a pro Indian government in Afghanistan and India is screwing with Pakistan by trying to make close relations with Afghanistan. Until we get ISI to back off and stop helping the Taliban and other opposition groups we are not going to be able to make a significant difference in Afghanistan. We need to sit down with Pakistan and threaten to withdraw aid with them unless they reel in the ISI and assure them that we are not a threat to them and that India isn't a threat in Afghanistan.

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We need to sit down with Pakistan and threaten to withdraw aid with them unless they reel in the ISI and assure them that we are not a threat to them and that India isn't a threat in Afghanistan.

Pakistani's never do well with threats. Ever

We need to sit down and resolve Kashmir in a way that satisfies both parties and thusly pulls any support for the ISI

The ISI has one mission, that is to bug India. Once the Kashmir issue is off the table, the ISI ceases to have any role in Pakistan

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Pakistani's never do well with threats. Ever

We need to sit down and resolve Kashmir in a way that satisfies both parties and thusly pulls any support for the ISI

The ISI has one mission, that is to bug India. Once the Kashmir issue is off the table, the ISI ceases to have any role in Pakistan

I think there are deeper problems between India and Pakistan then simply Kashmir, both sides are trying to jockey to become a regional hegemon and Kashmir is just one part of that.

Ideally we would be able to resolve Kashmir, but I don't know how realistic a goal this is, both sides have deep ties to the area and its a real hot button issue.

I think we need to find a way to keep Pakistan and India from using Afghanistan as another battleground, We can do that through incentive programs or threats, I am not sure which way would be more effective, but we need to find a way to deter both sides from screwing with Afghanistan.

I am not sure if a civilian government can fully control ISI even if the Kashmir issue is resolved I think at this point the ISI is a permanent fixture in Pakistani politics and the regions politics.

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