praise_gibbs Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 Really I guess he most be the water boy!! Personal Punt Protector. Speaking of which. Arch had a nice pick off against Toni Homo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CakeMan 89 Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 My guess is we finish 4-12 and Gibb steps down to the front office at the end of the season. Unless Saunders is fired by Monday and then we could go 8-8. With Saunders running the offense 90% of the time and Gibbs 10% we have a major problem.Tom No, we still play Arizonia, Detroit, @minnesota. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sayer15 Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 Here's the big problem with Gibbs II, in my opinion: With Saunders in charge of the offense (assuming he is) and GW in charge of the D, Gibbs' primarily role in these games is game management. And I can't think of a coach this side of Herm Edwards who's worse at this role at his point. We've seen evidence of it in each of the first three weeks: Week 1 -- The ridiculous decision to kick a FG on first down Week 2 -- The crazy ending to the first half [Now, some would argue that the outcome justifies the process in each of these cases, but I would wholeheartedly disagree.] Week 3 -- The panic at the end of the game: the decision to spike it on first down, as well as running the same play on 3rd and 4th, despite having more than enough time on the clock. Now it's unfair to compare any team to the Patriots, but I consider their calm, reasoned game management -- going for it on 4th downs, calmly calling plays when the clock is running down, etc -- to be a big contributor to their success. Gibbs' conservative, panic-ridden decision making (combined with Campbell's inexperience) is a significant problem for the Redskins... one that can be overcome in some games if the team executes well enough, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceekay84 Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 lol i cannot believe how many bandwagoners are on ES :/ one loss.. That's it. Just take it as a damn loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinpride1 Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 Personal Punt Protector.Speaking of which. Arch had a nice pick off against Toni Homo. :laugh: :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
50yrSKINSfan Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 Nope, I never heard that. I've heard of QBs changing bad playcalls though. Yes a vet QB can change a bad play but we do not have a vet QB. Remember we have a virtual rookie as a QB. We lost a game because of a weak right side of our Off line and we did not execute well on defense in the second half. It was not poor play calling. It may have been poor formations on the goal line in the last minute but the game was lost before that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushkar Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 I agree w/ the playcalling crap! This is the NFL---when you get a 14 point lead, it means GO FOR THE JUGULAR!!! We sat on it in the second half like we were comfy, and the defense got schooled on 3rd down conversions. And somebody said something about Collins starting??!!?? Are you serious????? I agree that Campbell is what kept us in it, and they need to call the plays to utilize his talents (and his receivers!!). Playing conservative cost us this one, so I hope the coaches learned something!!! :dallasuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgitta Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 It's time to clean house, Saunders is a JOKE. Williams = JOKE. This was absolutely inept. Today is the first day I am actually ashamed to call myself a redskins fan. I completely agree. I'm ashamed to call you a Redskins fan too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dance04 Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 his game management hasnt been good ever since he came back. My god was it this terrible back in the 80's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskins0756 Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 his game management hasnt been good ever since he came back. My god was it this terrible back in the 80's? he has 3 rings so you wouldnt think so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Touchdown Redskins Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 I am having some problems with play-calling more than game management. Clock-wise, we haven't had many problems, but our play calling is sometimes ridiculous. If you're going to run it, why not up the gut with Portis or Sellers? Why not put the game in Campbell's hands on a rollout or bootleg? He made all the passes leading up to it, and the only chance you can give your supposed QB-of-the-future is a pass to your fullback and not your sure-handed TE? This hasn't been a problem just today, it's been a problem everytime we sniff the goal line, and it's costing us opportunities. As a prime example (other than today), look at the second Philly game of last year. If we're going to have Campbell lead this offense, then HAVE HIM LEAD THE OFFENSE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins81a Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 His game management has been horrible but for god sake folks some of the late clock and play issues is do to a young QB! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskin Rush Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 I completely agree. I'm ashamed to call you a Redskins fan too. :applause: I that agree Saunders/Gibbs deserves repercussions for this HORRID 2nd half game calling but Williams should take no part in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins81a Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 I am having some problems with play-calling more than game management. Clock-wise, we haven't had many problems, but our play calling is sometimes ridiculous. If you're going to run it, why not up the gut with Portis or Sellers? Why not put the game in Campbell's hands on a rollout or bootleg? He made all the passes leading up to it, and the only chance you can give your supposed QB-of-the-future is a pass to your fullback and not your sure-handed TE?This hasn't been a problem just today, it's been a problem everytime we sniff the goal line, and it's costing us opportunities. As a prime example (other than today), look at the second Philly game of last year. If we're going to have Campbell lead this offense, then HAVE HIM LEAD THE OFFENSE. What you dont like a short side sweep for the third time, or a deep of guard run on 3 and 1, or a WR sweep, or WR reverse....the play calling was horrible! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
method man Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 Entering the fourth quarter, I knew we were going to lose for one reason: we stopped running the ball. Whenever, we stop running the ball...we lose PERIOD. I thought the playcalling was dumb in the sense that we kept going PA in the 2nd half despite barely having run the ball in the 2nd half. I hope next time Gibbs is in this type of situation, he sticks with Portis, Betts, AND Sellers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD Riggo Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 The problem was lack of execution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedskinzOwnU Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 Uhh. We lost because we tried to run the ball too much. If we opened up the offense to 3 and 4 WR sets and aired it out we would have won this game. You can thank Gibbs for doing exactly what you suggest and losing the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
50yrSKINSfan Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 Really?The D stayed on the field the majority of the second half and you can't expect them to do it all!!! The giants had scored two td's before Saunders started calling anything that made any sense at all or the Portis fumble. The reverses and the end rounds getting called right into the blitzes, no play action and calling runs that don't lead into play action. The giants secondary sucks and Saunders did a piss poor job of trying to exploit it. I said that I was probably over reacting but man that was some shady play calling!!!It is easy to sit here and blame the coaches but both the OFF and DEFF PLAYED TERRABLE IN THE SECOND HALF. There were missed tackles, dropped passes, penalties and a KEY FUMBLE and you want to blame the coach? I never said I expect the D to do it all but that did not stop the Giants at all in the second half and the OFF could not make one first down. The Giants must have had 300 yards passing in the second half. You were not blaming the coaches when we won on the road in Philly. The Giants have a real good passing game and a good blocking Off line. They MADE THE PLAYS and we did not get ANY SACKS OR PRESSURE. YEA, the coaches fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodriggo Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 Coaching Scared 101. First Half: Saunders Second Half: Gibbs If we had played one style consistently we would have won today. Pick one because schizo-football killed us today. It absolutely killed us. One touchdown in the second half and we win but we played so tight that we couldn't make a first down much less six. Our coaching staff is so scared to lose that they're incapable of excelling. Let Campbell loose, he can ball. Who cares if he throws three picks the guy can make plays, and who cares if Portis fumbled, he has to be out there at crunch time. Stop being scared of what could go wrong and let good things happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeB Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 Uhh. We lost because we tried to run the ball too much. If we opened up the offense to 3 and 4 WR sets and aired it out we would have won this game. You can thank Gibbs for doing exactly what you suggest and losing the game. I tend to agree. The last drive was a perfect example. The Giants sold out on the run. I think they know Gibbs won't put the ball in the hands of Campbell and that was advantageous to them. We moved the ball through the air on the last drive, and then went to the run on the final two play. The Giants pass d stinks. THROW THE BALL. A nice bootleg option there probably does the trick. :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinpride1 Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 There are times in life that people and coaches over the age of 50 need to put there glasses on and see the obvious. The first two possessions in the second half killed the momentum for the skins and gave it to the giants. The reverses and end arounds were the coaches fault .You can't execute a play that is doomed from the start. The coaches failed to call plays that exploited the giants defense-end of story!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SantanaClaus89 Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 The play calling was horrendus. Very, very, bad. I hope they learned thier lesson and try to be less predictable from here on out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinpride1 Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 What you dont like a short side sweep for the third time, or a deep of guard run on 3 and 1, or a WR sweep, or WR reverse....the play calling was horrible! Thank you!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portis4Lfe Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 How come last season everyone wanted Gibbs to throw saunders' playbook out and go back to "redskins football" (gotcha to playoffs etc..) but then now its like the "redskins football" is too dated and conservative and "open up saunders' playbook! Where is the identity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryGreenMonk Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 EXACTLY... who's offense is this!? Does anyone know? who runs our offense? seriously... if it's Gibbs..why are we paying Saunders... if it's Saunders... what's with the open up... and then conservative when we are winning... SOMEONE TAKE OVER... seriously.. this is BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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