Dan T. Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 AP just announced a verdict has been reached. Jury to announce at noon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomerics Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 AP just announced a verdict has been reached. Jury to announce at noon. Funny hoe the "liberal media" has been entirely silent on this trial huh? if the media WAS truly liberal, wouldn't this have been front page news as Monica was for 2 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight Judges Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Funny hoe the "liberal media" has been entirely silent on this trial huh? if the media WAS truly liberal, wouldn't this have been front page news as Monica was for 2 years? Nope. This entire trial is utter garbage manufactured by the prosecutor. Plame was not covert in the previous five years = originally there was no crime committed = total waste of time. Sure, the Bush administration was using the media to exact revenge on someone who tried to expose their fraudulent intelligence in the build up to the Iraq war, but that does not mean they committed a crime. They might be scum but for this they are not crooks IMO. That doesn't mean Libby didn't lie, he might have, but the entire case is nothing more than political axe grinding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Nope. This entire trial is utter garbage manufactured by the prosecutor. Plame was not covert in the previous five years = no crime committed = total waste of time. Sure, the Bush administration was using the media to exact revenge on someone who tried to expose their fraudulent intelligence in the build up to the Iraq war, but that does not mean they committed a crime. They might be scum but for this they are not crooks IMO. That doesn't mean Libby didn't lie, he might have, but the entire case is nothing more than political axe grinding. Midnight, I gotta say you are someone else I was wrong about (unless your post is sarcastic, but seeing your posts of late, I don't think it is) You are not a hack at all like I am, and have no problem actually thinking about issues Kudos :applause: Although I will add that this should not have happened and there has to be accountability Bush Sr put it best when talking about exposing secrets and our intelligence, it is a grave act against our national security Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air Force Cane Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 it took 11 days of deliberations to decide whether Libby or Matt Cooper was right in recollecting whether Libby knew at the time that Plame worked for the CIA. Those are 2 of the 5 counts. This is a huge waste of money and time over nothing- when it was Richard Armitage who was the source of Plame anyway. I still laugh over how the libs were so ecstatic that Rove was going to be shorly frog-marched out of the White House in 2005 :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Nope. This entire trial is utter garbage manufactured by the prosecutor. Plame was not covert in the previous five years = originally there was no crime committed = total waste of time. Sure, the Bush administration was using the media to exact revenge on someone who tried to expose their fraudulent intelligence in the build up to the Iraq war, but that does not mean they committed a crime. They might be scum but for this they are not crooks IMO. That doesn't mean Libby didn't lie, he might have, but the entire case is nothing more than political axe grinding. Did someone hack your account? :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallntfox Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Guilty on multiple counts. No shock there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frommd Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Guilty on four of five counts according to A.P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief skin Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 No big deal Bush will pardon him for taking 1 for the team. Where is the pardon for Ramos and Compaeon (can't spell the name) 2 INS agents who DID THEIR JOB and were locked up for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Death penalty for Scooter. Or, you know, at least a small fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrockster21 Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 You are not a hack at all like I am, and have no problem actually thinking about issues You're a hack?? :paranoid: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chump Bailey Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Why are we not talking about Sandy Berger's theft and possible destruction of documents from the National Archives? This is much more appalling IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Man. A guy named Scooter might have a hard time in Federal Pound-Me-In-The-*****-Prison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chump Bailey Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Libby found guilty... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headexplode Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Why are we not talking about Sandy Berger's theft and possible destruction of documents from the National Archives? This is much more appalling IMO. Good point. Though I disagree that one is worse than the other. Both acts are pretty reprehensible in my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMS Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Nope. This entire trial is utter garbage manufactured by the prosecutor. Plame was not covert in the previous five years = originally there was no crime committed = total waste of time. Sure, the Bush administration was using the media to exact revenge on someone who tried to expose their fraudulent intelligence in the build up to the Iraq war, but that does not mean they committed a crime. They might be scum but for this they are not crooks IMO. That doesn't mean Libby didn't lie, he might have, but the entire case is nothing more than political axe grinding. I've followed the case pretty closely. It's not my understanding that Valary Plame was "not covert". None of her neigbors knew she was in the CIA, and she had a cover story for where she worked which her neighbors believed. Also Skooter wasn't charged with outing a CIA agent, which is a crime; though a hard to prove crime. Hard to prove because although it is a crime to leak classified data, both the President and in this administration the VP have the authority to change what is classified or not with just verbal authority. So what Skooter was charged with was knowingly lieing to federal agents conducting an investigation. Then compounding this crime by lieing to a federal court. The evidence is pretty convincing. You can read the brief on line. Skooter has meetings about Flame, speaks to several people about her faretting out information to use against her and her husband. Then he tells federal prosecutors that he didn't know who she was. The question isn't whether Skooter is guilty. The only question is should Cheney be likewise prosocuted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headexplode Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 I've followed the case pretty closely. It's not my understanding that Valary Plame was "not covert". None of her neigbors knew she was in the CIA, and she had a cover story for where she worked which her neighbors believed.Also Skooter wasn't charged with outing a CIA agent, which is a crime; though a hard to prove crime. Hard to prove because although it is a crime to leak classified data, both the President and in this administration the VP have the authority to change what is classified or not with just verbal authority. So what Skooter was charged with was knowingly lieing to federal agents conducting an investigation. Then compounding this crime by lieing to a federal court. The evidence is pretty convincing. You can read the brief on line. Skooter has meetings about Flame, speaks to several people about her faretting out information to use against her and her husband. Then he tells federal prosecutors that he didn't know who she was. The question isn't whether Skooter is guilty. The only question is should Cheney be likewise prosocuted. Yes, he should be but it will never happen in a million years. If he's survived this long after all the crap he's pulled, nothing can touch him. He's the real seat of power, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Why are we not talking about Sandy Berger's theft and possible destruction of documents from the National Archives? This is much more appalling IMO. Ummm... because this is a thread about the Scooter Libby trial? :whoknows: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techboy Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 If perjury regarding a non-illegal but sleazy act is now something that gets a political person indicted, Bill Clinton should be shaking in his boots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headexplode Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 If perjury regarding a non-illegal but sleazy act is now something that gets a political person indicted, Bill Clinton should be shaking in his boots. Well, he was impeached. That's pretty big. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight Judges Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 I've followed the case pretty closely. It's not my understanding that Valary Plame was "not covert". None of her neigbors knew she was in the CIA, and she had a cover story for where she worked which her neighbors believed.Also Skooter wasn't charged with outing a CIA agent, which is a crime; though a hard to prove crime. Hard to prove because although it is a crime to leak classified data, both the President and in this administration the VP have the authority to change what is classified or not with just verbal authority. So what Skooter was charged with was knowingly lieing to federal agents conducting an investigation. Then compounding this crime by lieing to a federal court. The evidence is pretty convincing. You can read the brief on line. Skooter has meetings about Flame, speaks to several people about her faretting out information to use against her and her husband. Then he tells federal prosecutors that he didn't know who she was. The question isn't whether Skooter is guilty. The only question is should Cheney be likewise prosocuted. On Dec. 30, 2003, the day Fitzgerald was appointed special counsel, he should have known (all he had to do was ask the CIA) that Plame was not covert, knowledge that should have stopped the investigation right there. The law prohibiting disclosure of a covert agent's identity requires that the person have a foreign assignment at the time or have had one within five years of the disclosure, that the government be taking affirmative steps to conceal the government relationship, and for the discloser to have actual knowledge of the covert status. The CIA is well aware of the requirements of the law protecting the identity of covert officers and agents. I know, because in 1982, as chief counsel to the Senate intelligence committee, I negotiated the terms of that legislation between the media and the intelligence community. Even if Plame's status were "classified"--Fitzgerald never introduced one piece of evidence to support such status -- no law would be violated http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/16/AR2007021601705.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 2 years of appeals keep him out of jail, then Bush pulls a Clintonesque pardon on his way out. How much did this exercise in futility cost the Govt? All payback for Monicagate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight Judges Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 2 years of appeals keep him out of jail, then Bush pulls a Clintonesque pardon on his way out.How much did this exercise in futility cost the Govt? All payback for Monicagate. :laugh: Not quite. This case cost $1.4 million. Monicagate was over $60 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 :laugh: Not quite. This case cost $1.4 million. Monicagate was over $60 million. Well, we havent started the appeals yet. Seriously though, Im suprised it's that low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Funny hoe the "liberal media" has been entirely silent on this trial huh? if the media WAS truly liberal, wouldn't this have been front page news as Monica was for 2 years? Whatever Chommie, BJ's and infidelity are more interesting than this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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