NBC: At least nine dead in Santa Fe High School Shooting

[Llevron]

39 minutes ago, Spaceman Spiff said:

So again, just to be clear:  You understand that the lobbying organization you're railing against is making money off your dollars spent at the box office. 

 

Hold on. Show me where the money I give to Marvel Studios is flowing into the NRA. 

[Mooka]

1 minute ago, Spaceman Spiff said:

Hollywood doesn't care, they just want to be where the money is.  Just like like our elected officials.  Just like our gun manufacturers and the NRA.

 

One of these is not like the others.

[Llevron]

5 minutes ago, Mooka said:

 

One of these is not like the others.

 

He knows that. But it's not about facts clearly 

[Renegade7]

52 minutes ago, TryTheBeal! said:

But...I thought Hollywood was Liberal?!?

So is Steve Bezos.  Zuckerberg you can't really tell because even though he may come across as a Liberal, he is using Facebook to send money to both parties (essentially saying "whatever best helps my company.. err, I mean country")

 

 

 

 

[abdcskins]

You know what's sad? Is that these shootings barely faze me anymore. 

 

After Sandy Hook I was emotionally sickened. Then nothing changed and I'm just like okay gotta live with it. 

[Cooked Crack]

Who's man is this?

 

[Renegade7]

32 minutes ago, Mooka said:

 

One of these is not like the others.

 

27 minutes ago, Llevron said:

 

He knows that. But it's not about facts clearly 

 

Did either of you finish the article I posted?

 

I wouldn't go so far as to say Hollywood is sending money to politicians to stop them from limiting gun rights (which would make them equal), but there is no argument that they are willingly feeding our country's obsession with guns despite what's going around us with the mass murder epidemic (that's still very bad).  

 

I'm close to halfway done, but need to head out, either way, you might better understand where @Spaceman Spiff pure frustration is coming from if you read that article.  

6 minutes ago, Cooked Crack said:

Who's man is this?

 

The NRA's, obviously.

[Spaceman Spiff]

12 minutes ago, Llevron said:

 

Hold on. Show me where the money I give to Marvel Studios is flowing into the NRA. 

 

Well, those were your words, not mine.  You said:

 

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I understand that the NRA makes money off of the movies.

 

And now you want me to show a flow chart to where the money you give to Marvel Studios flows to the NRA?  Why's the onus on me? You said you read Renegade's article, clearly you glossed over the part where Beretta made a deal with a movie studio (not Marvel, thankfully) for 250k.  Do you think Beretta and the NRA have nothing to do with one another?  Here's a 2011 article listing Beretta as a "corporate partner" of the NRA and donated a million dollars to the NRA in an effort to overturn gun laws:  https://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-sugarmann/nra-receives-millions-fro_b_848727.html

 

Here's links to the guns used in Deadpool 1 and 2 which include Beretta:

 

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Deadpool_(2016)

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Deadpool_2 

 

One of the guns used was made by Israeli Weapons Industries (IWI).  Here's the NRA meeting up with IWI:  https://iwi.us/the-nra-visits-the-promised-land/

 

Here's the NRA promoting one of IWI's weapons as the NRA weapon of the week:  https://iwi.us/iwi-us-galil-ace-rifle-named-nra-gun-of-the-week/

 

Can I provide a ****ing flow chart to say that your exact dollar you spent on one Marvel movie is funding the NRA?  Nope, sure can't.   But to pretend that the gun industry, which clearly is in bed with the NRA isn't profiting off movies either by directly working with the studios or getting a bump in popularity because they're being used in a movie is pretty ignorant.

 

But I get it, you want to cherry pick my argument as a point about product placement and not how guns and gun violence are portrayed in movies.  It's cool man, you win. 

 

 

[Destino]

Guns are part of this, that's undeniable, but this isn't happening because of guns.  Why are all these kids wanting to become mass murderers?  Is this a media perspective thing that makes it seem like it's happening more than ever or are more kids popping up hoping to commit mass murder in their schools?  News of another group of dead children is becoming a common occurrence, we can't just do nothing.

 

The above doesn't mean the gun issue doesn't need to be addressed.  They make killing too easy, and too many are making use of that.  The very least we can do in response to a growing number of dead children is make it harder for mass murderers to kill so many.  Of all possible ways to address this problem gun control (or by controlling ammunition) is the easiest to implement.  Refitting schools and staffing them all with security would cost a fortune, take a decade, and likely just end up circumvented by future killers.  

[Llevron]

Ok so let's say you are right and Marvel is just as complicit as the NRA. Hell let's make it more so. What now? 

[Mooka]

29 minutes ago, Renegade7 said:

 

 

Did either of you finish the article I posted?

 

I wouldn't go so far as to say Hollywood is sending money to politicians to stop them from limiting gun rights (which would make them equal), but there is no argument that they are willingly feeding our country's obsession with guns despite what's going around us with the mass murder epidemic (that's still very bad).  

 

Of course there's no argument. We've been blaming the entertainment industry for violence for longer then I've been alive.

 

Unless you're advocating for censorship there's no point here other then Americans are hypocrites. We already know that. LIke Llevron is saying up there, what now? Ban violent movies? Put more parental advisory stickers on video games? 

[Going Commando]

Most conservatives have zero interest in addressing the gun violence epidemic in this country.  They either lie to themselves or cynically obfuscate every gun control debate to make them go sideways until the outrage over the latest mass killing dies down and they can go back to happily supporting the party that is, at this point, wholly responsible for the lack of any kind of progress on this issue.  The truth is that they don't actually care about the issue, and probably won't until it directly effects someone they know.  Maybe not even then, the selfishness of the American Right is absolutely breathtaking.  Nothing will ever change their support for the GoP.  And GoP lawmakers are cowardly whores who won't support gun control until they start losing their offices over the issue.

 

The only way anything will ever get done to address the gun violence epidemic is through first voting Republicans out of government at every level, and then pressuring Democrats into passing common sense gun control.

[twa]

11 minutes ago, Destino said:

Guns are part of this, that's undeniable, but this isn't happening because of guns.  Why are all these kids wanting to become mass murderers?  Is this a media perspective thing that makes it seem like it's happening more than ever or are more kids popping up hoping to commit mass murder in their schools?  

 

The above doesn't mean the gun issue doesn't need to be addressed.  They make killing too easy, and too many are making use of that.  The very least we can do in response to a growing number of dead children is make it harder for mass murderers to kill so many.  Of all possible ways to address this problem gun control (or by controlling ammunition) is the easiest to implement.  Refitting schools and staffing them all with security would cost a fortune, take a decade, and likely just end up circumvented by future killers.  

 

not sure what gun control you could pass that would prevent ones like this last one

and if you did would it stop those wanting to kill from other means?

 

you could crack down on people not securing guns, but people already **** about crowded jails and oppressive fines,ruined lives and such....we have a law here his parents could be charged under, but rarely enforced.

 

we need to break the cycle or the appeal.

 

 

 

 

 

[visionary]

 

 

 

 

 

[MEANDWARF]

2 hours ago, No Excuses said:

 

This is insane but you are entitled to whatever crazy opinion you want to hold. 

 

The tragic part is that you aren’t the only one who believes this. 

 

Somehow every secular nation in the West doesn’t have this issue, but sure. Who needs critical thinking. 

 

 

Wow, thank you for allowing me to have this opinion and posting it. I appreciate you taking the time you took quoting my post. And I deeply appreciate your post being kind in your response. Rumors has it that Extremeskins is a bully and gun free zone. How's that for critical thinking.

[Renegade7]

19 minutes ago, Mooka said:

 

Of course there's no argument. We've been blaming the entertainment industry for violence for longer then I've been alive.

 

Unless you're advocating for censorship there's no point here other then Americans are hypocrites. We already know that. LIke Llevron is saying up there, what now? Ban violent movies? Put more parental advisory stickers on video games? 

I know, that's why I put that warning in the same post as the article.  It's one thing to go after accessibility of guns and gun control measures, but going after gun culture itself? I'd say that's up there with trying to rewrite the 2nd Amendment itself in the level of backfire it will cause.

[SkinInsite]

Says a lot about a country who put their gun fetish ahead of their kids.

 

 

[Llevron]

4 minutes ago, Renegade7 said:

I know, that's why I put that warning in the same post as the article.  It's one thing to go after accessibility of guns and gun control measures, but going after gun culture itself? I'd say that's up there with trying to rewrite the 2nd Amendment itself in the level of backfire it will cause.

 

My thing is even if it succeeded without taking away any access to the weapons themselves, what would it actually accomplish? People are just going to hord them without any restriction and no kind of database. No way that that actually makes the problem better. 

[Destino]

10 hours ago, LadySkinsFan said:

These movies play overseas too. Why aren't there mass shootings overseas? Limited accessibility to guns is one reason I bet.

 

Also, look at their social policies: better health care including mental health, reduced/free universities, parental leave policies, vacation policies. Could it be that persons are treated as the human beings they are and not labor fodder?

 

Let's take a look at some of those policies that Republicans are hellbent on eliminating in favor of corporations and the almighty dollar.

I don't think it's as simple as a movie or a few movies.  I'd like to look at how much violence the average kid consumes in the US and compare it to other advanced countries.  We don't have stats on the amount of pornography kids consume but I wouldn't mind seeing what US kids are watching and how much.  Reading what people have posted on these so called "incel" thoughts on sex makes me wonder if too much porn early in life hasn't warped some minds on human sexuality. 

 

Our kids grow up in a wolrd where no one bats an eye if an adult says "i hate kids" or talks about kids is as a life destroying burdens.  Imagine if people commonly spoke about you as if by merely existing you ruined your family.  We call the police on them, apply zero tolerance policies, and when things get real bad we just call them adults and lock them up forever.... but we can't be bothered to stand between them and social media that we know damn well is bad for them. 

 

American adults suck at being adults. 

 

/rant.

[twa]

7 minutes ago, SkinInsite said:

Says a lot about a country who put their gun fetish ahead of their kids.

 

 

 

can you assure their safety if they agree to your terms?

[Renegade7]

44 minutes ago, Destino said:

 Refitting schools and staffing them all with security would cost a fortune, take a decade, and likely just end up circumvented by future killers.  

 

If you're going to say that, please put forth the stats of how many kids are getting shot or stabbed inside the schools that have metal detectors and locking most doors during school hours, like in the inner city.  I tried looking from present backwards, and one after the other in the inner city its either a school that doesn't have metal detectors or the kids are getting shot/stabbed outside the school.  

 

This sounds too close to an "it won't matter anyway" argument, surprised seeing that from you.  I'd argue that we should be using what's working in the inner cities nationwide, and if Feds would stop peddling stupid ideas like arming teachers instead, we could have this all done in less then a decade.  We have districts all over the country getting stuff like bulletproof glass in every school in less then half that, some are now doing that by default in new schools as they are being built.

[SkinInsite]

1 minute ago, twa said:

 

can you assure their safety if they agree to your terms?

Seems other countries aren't this ****ed up

[Renegade7]

7 minutes ago, Llevron said:

 

My thing is even if it succeeded without taking away any access to the weapons themselves, what would it actually accomplish? People are just going to hord them without any restriction and no kind of database. No way that that actually makes the problem better. 

 

Can you please rephrase the question? 

 

I think I understand what you're saying, are you talking about changing 2nd amendment and people having guns off the books?  At minimum every gun in this country should be registered, but we have to accept some won't be.  That's no reason not to do it (don't think that's what you're saying, so if you can, please clarify so we're on the same page)

[twa]

1 minute ago, SkinInsite said:

Seems other countries aren't this ****ed up

 

Not in many ways, but we aren't someone else.

[Llevron]

2 minutes ago, Renegade7 said:

 

Can you please rephrase the question? 

 

I think I understand what you're saying, are you talking about changing 2nd amendment and people having guns off the books?  At minimum every gun in this country should be registered, but we have to accept some won't be.  That's no reason not to do it (don't think that's what you're saying, so if you can, please clarify so we're on the same page)

 

My bad. What I'm saying is what happens after we get violence out of media entirely? Or remove guns from media completely? What will that accomplish if we dont make guns any harder to get? There is nothing to gained if we dont cut off access to the weapons. Right?