twa Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 17 hours ago, Kilmer17 said: Politically speaking, would it be a positive or negative if Trumps time ended before 2018? Hard to say who benefits w/o knowing the how. I doubt he will resign, as for impeachment the variables between a strong majority voting for it and the D's + a few R's doing so changes greatly....as well as the reason. Time frame would also play a strong role Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 If Trump left quietly, Pence would push the agenda through, and for the Republicans it would be a major win. They'd be out of the nightmare and with a guy with governing experience and a big fat dose of zealotry for the social causes they champion. But he won't go quietly. And depending on how much he burns down is how it would affect the public perception of Pence, and how much of the stink sticks. I tend to think that because Trump is who he is, and he believes in putting his ridiculously coiffed head down and fighting fighting fighting til everything will be alright.. it'll take a while to pry him out. and each day that the dumpster burns melts away at Pence's chance to be anything more than a Gerald Ford seat-holder. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOF44 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 I think because there is a good part of the R base that will never believe any negativity about Trump that he will be harder to get rid of than bedbugs. I think he will last his 4 years and get voted out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 5 minutes ago, Bang said: If Trump left quietly, Pence would push the agenda through, and for the Republicans it would be a major win. They'd be out of the nightmare and with a guy with governing experience and a big fat dose of zealotry for the social causes they champion. Not too sure Pence would be much more effective.....efficient and lowered noise level though. Pence would be castigated by the Dems about as much as Trump, just differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 Reach for that understanding that everything is exactly as it should be, and indeed only can be, and it is never otherwise. Nothing is or will be anything other than what it should and has to be. Now couple it to the awareness that no matter how potently imagined in impact any transient individual or group agency of human form may be, in reality it's of no special or unique value outside of our creation, just part of a process where everything plays a role. But few Jabronis truly know their role. The roles are all bit parts. The scenery is totally fake. And we're way off Broadway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 34 minutes ago, Bang said: If Trump left quietly, Pence would push the agenda through, and for the Republicans it would be a major win. They'd be out of the nightmare and with a guy with governing experience and a big fat dose of zealotry for the social causes they champion. But he won't go quietly. And depending on how much he burns down is how it would affect the public perception of Pence, and how much of the stink sticks. I tend to think that because Trump is who he is, and he believes in putting his ridiculously coiffed head down and fighting fighting fighting til everything will be alright.. it'll take a while to pry him out. and each day that the dumpster burns melts away at Pence's chance to be anything more than a Gerald Ford seat-holder. ~Bang 1 The moment he isn't the guy. I don't care if it's Pence or anybody else. He will turn his mob on them for not defending him enough. If he's free and has the money/backers. He will push for that new network with Sinclair. If he can't get Hannity and Tucker to work for him. He'll work to destroy them. That's assuming he doesn't spend the rest of his life fighting off lawsuits from 50 state AGs along with the folks/countries he's deeply in debt with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 1 hour ago, twa said: Not too sure Pence would be much more effective.....efficient and lowered noise level though. Pence would be castigated by the Dems about as much as Trump, just differently. I think there is some major differences outside of the glaring obvious... first is there probably is nowhere near the dirt on Pence as Trump that makes for justified investigation. he's passed some harsh legislation and he's very religious. Not much there to light a fire with.. and at least THOSE fires would be policy based and real politics based in ideas as opposed to this ridiculousness now. The dems can scream, but screaming doesn't trigger FBI investigations without some merit. (Now congressional inquiries and investigative panels are another story, and as we saw over the last several years, those can be held indefinitely for political reasons.) And secondly, Pence does have experience and will be able to use the majority he would (currently) enjoy. BUT, with mid-terms a year and a half out, Trump would have to go soon, and Pence woud have to score some legislation that a/ passes, and B/ shows a real effect. (Not some bull**** wall. He could actually score highly by immediately scrapping the wall as a bad money idea, his base would go for it as it gives them a reasonable out from an embarrassment, and the left would have to agree.) if he does that, then he can likely quiet things down enough to get through these four years with much of the agenda passing. I'd be optimistic for the dems about the mid-terms, except they are dems, and it is mid-terms. Not usually a good mix. If he gets a good chunk of the agenda through, and maybe even >gasp!< compromises on a few things with dems, his base would have cause to rally behind him for re-election and forget the Trump nightmare. That said, he could rape a baby goat on TV and the base would still rally for him, but that might kill any crossover appeal to moderates that he may be able to pull by utilizing his majority to good effect, and trying to actually rebuild some bridges rather than crush the dems. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySkinsFan Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 Pence's pervasive hyper brand of Christianity is antithetical to the majority of the country. And his rabid crusade against the LGBT community and same sex marriage in particular won't sit well with the majority of the country either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 1 hour ago, Jumbo said: Now couple it to the awareness that no matter how potently imagined in impact any transient individual or group agency of human form may be, in reality it's of no special or unique value outside of our creation, just part of a process where everything plays a role. Wait, what?.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 I know, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 1 hour ago, Riggo-toni said: Wait, what?.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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