ewmartin7776 Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 I came across an article from the Washington Post from February 2014 (I must have missed it back then). It outlines the timeline between Schottenheimer, Schneider and Cerrato. I cant help but think about "what could have been" had we stayed the course with Schotty. Skins fans would likely have been spared 13 years of futility and misery. I am glad the organization appears to be doing things the right way this time (I'll reserve comment on the new D coordinator hire for now), but seems a big fat waste. Anyway, here is the article: When John Schneider was with the Redskins By Dan Steinberg February 3, 2014 John Schneider helping the Seahawks win a Super Bowl and posing shirtless in a WWE title belt reminded me: John Schneider used to be a Redskins guy. For one year. He replaced Vinny Cerrato — whom Marty Schottenheimer fired — and was, in turn, replaced by Vinny Cerrato. A timeline: May 25, 2001, Washington Post: [Marty] Schottenheimer is scheduled to interview Seattle Seahawks director of player personnel John Schneider today for the personnel director job. May 26, 2001, Washington Post: Marty Schottenheimer interviewed Seattle Seahawks director of player personnel John Schneider for the Redskins’ personnel director job yesterday. Schneider worked with Schottenheimer in Kansas City and could challenge Ken Herock as the favorite for the job if he is willing to make what amounts to a lateral move. Schottenheimer left open the possibility of interviewing more candidates next week. May 29, 2001, Washington Post: John Schneider is leaning toward leaving the Seattle Seahawks’ front office to become the Washington Redskins’ director of player personnel, NFL sources said yesterday. The Redskins’ lengthy search for a successor to Vinny Cerrato, who was fired by Coach Marty Schottenheimer in January, could take another twist. Schottenheimer said early in the search process he likely would not be able to hire Schneider, and Seahawks Coach Mike Holmgren said last week he would like to keep Schneider in Seattle. But Holmgren allowed Schneider, the Seahawks’ director of player personnel, to interview for the job and said last week he would be gracious in allowing Schneider to leave Seattle if Schneider felt the Redskins’ job was a better position. May 30, 2001, AP: John Schneider, who spent three years in the Kansas City Chiefs’ front office while Schottenheimer was head coach, reached agreement in principle Wednesday to become the Redskins’ vice president of player personnel. Schneider will manage the scout staff and oversee preparations for the NFL draft. His hiring takes a tremendous load off Schottenheimer, who has been running virtually every football-related aspect of the Redskins since becoming head coach and director of football operations in January. May 31, 2001, Washington Times: The scouting staff is expected to undergo a major reshuffling for the second straight year. Former personnel director Vinny Cerrato dismissed many longtime scouts in 2000 during his first season with the team. Schottenheimer fired Cerrato in January. Schottenheimer said Schneider is free to assemble his own staff, but some of the current four scouts might remain. “When you hire somebody to do the job, you let them do the job,” Schottenheimer said. “I’ll have some input on who we choose. Ultimately, the decision has to be Schneider’s.” May 31, 2001, Washington Post: “It’s a very important job,” Schottenheimer said. “In our business, it’s about players….I need somebody with the background to step right in because I’m going to have to devote my focus to coaching the football team.” June 1, 2001, AP: Schneider is 30 and looks younger, but Schottenheimer warned that looks can be deceiving. “He’s a bulldog, and I think you have to be a bulldog on the personnel side,” Schottenheimer said. “He’s only 30 years old. That doesn’t bother me. He’s got nine years’ experience. He’s got a Super Bowl ring. I don’t have a Super Bowl ring.” June 2, 2001, Washington Times: Schneider, at a news conference to announce his hiring formally, said he looks forward to the challenge of a job that puts him a step closer to a general manager’s role. June 16, 2001, Washington Post: The team hired Tag Ribary as director of pro personnel and Scott Campbell as director of college scouting. They will coordinate the Redskins’ scouting efforts and report to John Schneider, who was hired by Schottenheimer recently as the Redskins’ vice president of player personnel. October 9, 2001, Washington Post: Schottenheimer hired John Schneider in July as vice president of player personnel, but he is 30, has never had any power in previous jobs and last worked for another authoritarian coach in Holmgren at Seattle. Mark Levin negotiates some contracts and is a widely regarded salary cap expert in the front office, but like Schneider, reports directly to Schottenheimer, who signs off on every decision. December 25, 2001, Washington Post: Following the news conference, Schottenheimer was asked if he intends to change his coaching staff and add a general manager to the team’s front office, and he said: “I will not. Neither.” He said he believes the club can win with its current coaches and front office configuration. Snyder gave Schottenheimer total control of football operations when he hired him in January, and the coach hired John Schneider to head the club’s scouting operations as vice president of player personnel. The Redskins do not have anyone with the title of general manager. January 6, 2002, Washington Post: Schottenheimer has not said whether he would want to remain as coach if Snyder hires a general manager. John Schneider, who was hired by Schottenheimer as the Redskins’ vice president of player personnel, probably would be dismissed if Snyder hires a new GM, sources said. January 16, 2002, Washington Post: The Redskins fired John Schneider, their vice president of player personnel, yesterday. He was the No. 2 man in the Redskins’ football operations department behind Schottenheimer this past season. Schottenheimer was fired Sunday night as the Redskins’ head coach and director of football operations. January 28, 2002, Washington Post: The Washington Redskins hired Vinny Cerrato today as their director of player personnel. It will be the second stint with the team for Cerrato, who held the same job for two seasons before being fired last year by then-coach Marty Schottenheimer….He will work for Joe Mendes, who was hired by Snyder last week as the Redskins’ vice president of football operations. Cerrato will oversee the club’s scouting operations, and he and Mendes will join Snyder and Coach Steve Spurrier in having the major voices in the team’s player moves. February 17, 2002, Boston Globe: A guy you’ve never heard of, John Schneider, is in the midst of a tug-of-war involving the Seahawks, Packers, and Eagles, and he’ll never play a down for any of them. Schneider, 30, is considered a rising star in personnel matters around the league, and after being fired by the Redskins, he is negotiating with those three teams, plus a fourth he wouldn’t name. March 28, 2002, AP: John Schneider has rejoined the Green Bay Packers as personnel analyst to the general manager. Schneider, a 30-year-old Green Bay native who returns to both his personal and professional roots, rejoins the Packers organization after spending three years with the Kansas City Chiefs, one year with the Seattle Seahawks and, most recently, the 2001 season as vice president of personnel for the Washington Redskins. (Schneider would remain with the Packers in various jobs until January of 2010, when he was named Seattle’s GM.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pjfootballer Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Can we please move on from the past? This is the problem with our fans. We want to reincarnate the Hogs or the Fun Bunch or constantly play the "what if" game. Please tell me that in 2001-02 anyone on this board could have predicted that John Schneider would be the GM of the Seahawks who could possibly win their second straight SB? Oh, and he's winning with Scot's players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bifflog Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Can we please move on from the past? This is the problem with our fans. We want to reincarnate the Hogs or the Fun Bunch or constantly play the "what if" game. Not gonna happen until the "what if" isn't infinitely more appealing than the reality, sadly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 In fairness the 2001 draft was the worst of the Snyder era prior to 2008. Up until 2012 noone was pining for Schneider. Impossible to know how responsible he or McC are for tje Hawks success, since Pete Carroll makes all the decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewmartin7776 Posted January 22, 2015 Author Share Posted January 22, 2015 I would not necessarily categorize this as what if. I'm simply sharing an article that provides some historical context to how our last 15 years have been. The primary point I was trying to make (but did not actually say) was that Snyder pulled the plug on the Marty Ball experiment because he said he wasn't having any fun anymore (rather than the real excuse of wanting to hire The Ole Ball Coach). He was so immature at the time and would have rather had Cerrato than the set up with Marty and John. Not that anyone had a crystal ball about Schneider, but really????? Vinny over Schottenheimer and Schneider??? Well, these days, it seems he has matured and is willing to let the football grownups run the show properly. He's likely having the same kind of fun he was having back then, but now he really appreciates it more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 I would not necessarily categorize this as what if. I'm simply sharing an article that provides some historical context to how our last 15 years have been. The primary point I was trying to make (but did not actually say) was that Snyder pulled the plug on the Marty Ball experiment because he said he wasn't having any fun anymore (rather than the real excuse of wanting to hire The Ole Ball Coach). He was so immature at the time and would have rather had Cerrato than the set up with Marty and John. Not that anyone had a crystal ball about Schneider, but really????? Vinny over Schottenheimer and Schneider??? Well, these days, it seems he has matured and is willing to let the football grownups run the show properly. He's likely having the same kind of fun he was having back then, but now he really appreciates it more. I see what you are saying about how we got here since that time. Snyder pulled the plug on everyone but Vinny. But it's still what if and revisionist history to think that Marty and John would have built a powerhouse. John didn't become a GM until 3 years ago, so at that time he was still young and raw. But then in your second paragraph, you are doing just that. Playing the what if game. I to hope that he's matured and the team is run like a professional team should. Despite the Barry hire, I think the club has conducted itself better this offseason. Let's see what happens in the next couple of months with the combine, free agency and the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 In fairness the 2001 draft was the worst of the Snyder era prior to 2008. Up until 2012 noone was pining for Schneider. Impossible to know how responsible he or McC are for tje Hawks success, since Pete Carroll makes all the decisions. I thought that season was more telling by who was let go ... Deion, Larry centers, etc. pretty sure they got rid of that safety from Detroit, I can't remember his name *mark carrier*The roster was on its way to being reshaped younger, cheaper, and more talented. Some undrafted guys like Antonio Pierce stepped in and played great. There is no denying that the team was headed in the right direction under Schneider and schottenheimer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 I thought that season was more telling by who was let go ... Deion, Larry centers, etc. pretty sure they got rid of that safety from Detroit, I can't remember his name *mark carrier* The roster was on its way to being reshaped younger, cheaper, and more talented. Some undrafted guys like Antonio Pierce stepped in and played great. There is no denying that the team was headed in the right direction under Schneider and schottenheimer If Marty figures out the QB situation in the 2002 offseason, the team was well on its way to becoming a playoff contender. I doubt there are multiple trade downs to get Patrick Ramsey and then draft a whole bunch of garbage the rest of the 2002 draft I don't think there is any doubt that Schneider+Schotty would be far greater then Vinny+Danny+Spurrier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewmartin7776 Posted January 22, 2015 Author Share Posted January 22, 2015 If Marty figures out the QB situation in the 2002 offseason, the team was well on its way to becoming a playoff contender. I doubt there are multiple trade downs to get Patrick Ramsey and then draft a whole bunch of garbage the rest of the 2002 draft I don't think there is any doubt that Schneider+Schotty would be far greater then Vinny+Danny+Spurrier Exactly! Now, the other side of the coin (just to play devil's advocate), our playoff record would have been just as terrible. Marty seems to be a great "in season" coach but cant seem to get it done in the post season. I still think things would have been better for the organization and fan base as a whole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 I don't think there is any doubt that Schneider+Schotty would be far greater then Vinny+Danny+Spurrier You could randomly pick three posters on this message board and get a better triumvirate of leadership than the legion of suck that was Vinny/Danny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 He also gave big contracts to losers like Kevin Lockett and Donell Bennett. In a draft that had Chad Johnson, Reggie Wayne, Santana Moss, Steve Smith, TJ Houshmandzadeh-he drafted Rod Gardner. He picked Tony Banks over Trent Dilfer. I'm much more upset that Snyder blew off Beathard and turned down Ruskell (who became GM for the first Seattle team to reach the SB) than I am about dumping Schneider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightningBuggs Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Can we please move on from the past? This is the problem with our fans. We want to reincarnate the Hogs or the Fun Bunch or constantly play the "what if" game. Please tell me that in 2001-02 anyone on this board could have predicted that John Schneider would be the GM of the Seahawks who could possibly win their second straight SB? Oh, and he's winning with Scot's players. "Those who choose to forget the past are doomed to repeat it." On the contrary, this current FO needs to learn a thing or 2 from the past. But they continue to stumble and bumble and make the same mistakes. Hiring McCloughan was a positive step. Now they need to build on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkB452 Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Interesting...I did not know that Vinny had fired a lot of the scouts his first year.... May 31, 2001, Washington Times: The scouting staff is expected to undergo a major reshuffling for the second straight year. Former personnel director Vinny Cerrato dismissed many longtime scouts in 2000 during his first season with the team....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottlo34 Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Ya McCloughan was a great hire. Snyder still runs the team. Something stupid WILL happen. Stay tuned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HogNose Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Anyway, here is the article: When John Schneider was with the Redskins I don't remember this whatsoever....and to think I knew my Skins history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonez3 Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Thanks for article. You know, some of us don't know all this. Unreal... We were one knee jerk reaction from perhaps developing into competitive franchise. We'll never know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeSkins Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Can we please move on from the past? This is the problem with our fans. We want to reincarnate the Hogs or the Fun Bunch or constantly play the "what if" game. Yeah, but what if Lombardi didn't die of cancer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dissident2 Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Can we please move on from the past? This is the problem with our fans. We want to reincarnate the Hogs or the Fun Bunch or constantly play the "what if" game. Please tell me that in 2001-02 anyone on this board could have predicted that John Schneider would be the GM of the Seahawks who could possibly win their second straight SB? Oh, and he's winning with Scot's players. I disagree. I find this kind of stuff fascinating. It NEEDS to be revisited so that we HOPEFULLY never go back there again. Just look at the article from February, 2002. Four teams looking to hire this guy, talks about how well-regarded he is. Was ANYONE interested in hiring that imbecile Cerrato? Seeing this now just makes me even more angry all over again at the utter stupidity of this ownership for so many years and the absolute football hell he's put this fan base through because of idiotic moves like the one chronicled here. I don't think Marty would've necessarily created a "powerhouse," but who knows? I damn sure know we would've had a much more respected, consistent team than the Florida clown show that rolled into town after he was fired and the general garbage we've seen since Gibbs II bowed out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexa Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Marty and John S. picked Rod Gardner over Reggie Wayne and Drew Brees. LMAO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeSkins Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Marty and John S. picked Rod Gardner over Reggie Wayne and Drew Brees. LMAO. To be fair, every team picked someone over Drew Brees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 The thread title keeps making think of Jay Schroeder for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theTruthTeller Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 The thread title keeps making think of Jay Schroeder for some reason. I makes me think of the Dukes Of Hazzard. If a name change gets forced down our throats, the Washington "Dukes of Hazzard" wouldn't be bad. DOH, for short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss_Hogg Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 We also had Trent Baalke on the staff too. The guy hit a home run with the 49ers 2011 draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFTW Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Marty and John S. picked Rod Gardner over Reggie Wayne and Drew Brees. LMAO. He was hired by Marty in MAY, which was after the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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