skinsfan66 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 Detroit just built threw the draft top 4 picks were all hits. We have the picks, need to work the draft and stay away from the big ticket players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 5 minutes ago, skinsfan66 said: Detroit just built threw the draft top 4 picks were all hits. We have the picks, need to work the draft and stay away from the big ticket players. The Lions built by trading away their star QB, accumulated a stack of draft picks and then put all of those pieces around a retread vet QB. We are all assuming a different approach here by going with a rookie QB. I think with the FO and coaching staff we have pulled together we have a great opportunity to purge free agency in a more constructive way to what we have previously. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsfan66 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 4 minutes ago, Est.1974 said: The Lions built by trading away their star QB, accumulated a stack of draft picks and then put all of those pieces around a retread vet QB. We are all assuming a different approach here by going with a rookie QB. I think with the FO and coaching staff we have pulled together we have a great opportunity to purge free agency in a more constructive way to what we have previously. We or Some are assuming? I like Detroit's or Chicago's approach, even with a New QB per no.2 or trade down and then take one with extra picks. What does it matter? The Big F.A. from other teams at big prices can just stay there, this year no purge for me. I like the draft and a few low budget FA's. And I would not trade up to the top spot for a QB, to much of a risk for me. How is taking a QB and loading up on big FAs a new approach anyway we been there done that too? My opinion or yours will not matter anyway it's the teams and ours are just what they are just like the. We or Some thought our Coach would be from the Lions too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsfan66 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 (edited) 3 hours ago, Est.1974 said: The Lions built by trading away their star QB, accumulated a stack of draft picks and then put all of those pieces around a retread vet QB. We are all assuming a different approach here by going with a rookie QB. I think with the FO and coaching staff we have pulled together we have a great opportunity to purge free agency in a more constructive way to what we have previously. We traded our 2 top pick DE's and tanked to get the picks like they did the first year. Edited February 15 by skinsfan66 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 46 minutes ago, skinsfan66 said: We or Some are assuming? I like Detroit's or Chicago's approach, even with a New QB per no.2 or trade down and then take one with extra picks. What does it matter? The Big F.A. from other teams at big prices can just stay there, this year no purge for me. I like the draft and a few low budget FA's. And I would not trade up to the top spot for a QB, to much of a risk for me. How is taking a QB and loading up on big FAs a new approach anyway we been there done that too? My opinion or yours will not matter anyway it's the teams and ours are just what they are just like the. We or Some thought our Coach would be from the Lions too? Some, yeah some and not ‘we’. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWinzit Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 I'd love to have a good vet center. Connor Williams was number one on my FA wish list before he went down with the ACL in week 14. He could have anchored the OL and worked well for years to come with the young QB. There are few decent C's in FA, like Cushenberry is okay. We could still probably sign Williams to a decent multiyear deal based on the injury and the questions of his early availability next season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 36 minutes ago, DWinzit said: I'd love to have a good vet center. Connor Williams was number one on my FA wish list before he went down with the ACL in week 14. He could have anchored the OL and worked well for years to come with the young QB. There are few decent C's in FA, like Cushenberry is okay. We could still probably sign Williams to a decent multiyear deal based on the injury and the questions of his early availability next season. Couple of those Detroit OL are back in business now, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 58 minutes ago, DWinzit said: I'd love to have a good vet center. Connor Williams was number one on my FA wish list before he went down with the ACL in week 14. He could have anchored the OL and worked well for years to come with the young QB. There are few decent C's in FA, like Cushenberry is okay. We could still probably sign Williams to a decent multiyear deal based on the injury and the questions of his early availability next season. I think the Dolphins OL is fools gold and they run a much different system than we are going to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 2 hours ago, DWinzit said: I'd love to have a good vet center. Connor Williams was number one on my FA wish list before he went down with the ACL in week 14. He could have anchored the OL and worked well for years to come with the young QB. There are few decent C's in FA, like Cushenberry is okay. We could still probably sign Williams to a decent multiyear deal based on the injury and the questions of his early availability next season. I liked Williams too before the ACL but yeah like koolblue said, we're gonna be running a completely different system so its important to get OL that fit that system. 1 hour ago, Koolblue13 said: I think the Dolphins OL is fools gold and they run a much different system than we are going to. I wonder which OL are out there that can play in the Air Raid. It might rule out my guy Jonah Williams since the Lions are more of a traditional pro offense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 2 minutes ago, Warhead36 said: I liked Williams too before the ACL but yeah like koolblue said, we're gonna be running a completely different system so its important to get OL that fit that system. I wonder which OL are out there that can play in the Air Raid. It might rule out my guy Jonah Williams since the Lions are more of a traditional pro offense. I wonder how much of a traditional Air Raid we're going to be running also. You need big OL who can live solo on an island, while also having the stamina to run up and down the field. It's a big ask and I don't think bringing in Lynn is just for good measure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWinzit Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 7 minutes ago, Warhead36 said: I liked Williams too before the ACL but yeah like koolblue said, we're gonna be running a completely different system so its important to get OL that fit that system. I wonder which OL are out there that can play in the Air Raid. It might rule out my guy Jonah Williams since the Lions are more of a traditional pro offense. I was under the impression that Williams experience matched with his quickness would work well in the system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 Air raid puts guys on an island, with long developing plays. Miami is a rapid release quick fire offense. Miamis OL has to block for less than 3 seconds, before the ball is out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinny21 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 2 hours ago, DWinzit said: I'd love to have a good vet center. Connor Williams was number one on my FA wish list before he went down with the ACL in week 14. He could have anchored the OL and worked well for years to come with the young QB. There are few decent C's in FA, like Cushenberry is okay. We could still probably sign Williams to a decent multiyear deal based on the injury and the questions of his early availability next season. Obviously comes down to cost and health (ie did surgery go well and is rehabbing progressing on schedule), but Williams could potentially be a great fit for us IMO. If he needs time to regain his form, we have Gates/Stromberg to hold down the fort. If it’s a 1 year deal, it buys us time to time to find a long term solution to the position (and perhaps nets us a comp pick). If it’s a multi year deal, we can allocate draft picks elsewhere and have (likely) added a quality veteran center that should be a boon to a young qb. Personally, I’d rather roll with Stromberg/Gates over signing a “decent” vet center. In fact, that would be my favored philosophy for FA in general - avoid “decent” (and overpaid) FAs, and instead target high end quality players, up-and-coming young guys with potential, and 1 year prove-it types. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HigSkin Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 I think as we navigate through the player acquisition process, it's going to be difficult to know why a certain player is picked vs who everyone thinks we should go after. As we've seen with coaching hires, they have a plan, specific fits, characteristics, loves football, etc. Could be guys that aren't the most talented and doesn't have the best stats. Its hard to know but will be an interesting next few months. https://clutchpoints.com/sneaky-good-nfl-free-agents-commanders-need-to-sign Greg Dortch, Wide Receiver If there were an award for the most underrated receiver in the NFL, Greg Dortch would be in consideration. All the guy does is produce whenever he gets a chance. Dortch played at least 50% of Arizona's offensive snaps in only seven of their 17 games in 2023. He caught a touchdown or racked up at least 76 yards in four of those games. In eight such games in 2022, Dortch accrued at least 50 yards five times. Dortch has a connection with the Commanders that could link to a possible union between the two. Kliff Kingsbury was the head coach of the Arizona Cardinals from 2019-2022 and was hired as the Commanders' offensive coordinator a few weeks ago. He and Dortch crossed paths in Arizona for two seasons, meaning Kingsbury is very familiar with Dortch's game and vice versa. Slot receivers had a huge emphasis on Kingsbury's offense during his time in the NFL and that is where Dortch specializes. Arizona drafted Rondale Moore to be their primary slot receiver, which hindered Dortch's opportunities in the desert. But when Dortch got his chances, he almost always came through. Wide receiver isn't the most glaring need for the Commanders this offseason. Terry McLaurin is still among the best at that position in the NFL and Jahan Dotson, while his sophomore season was disappointing, has plenty of promise in his own right. Washington should be able to address needs elsewhere on their roster with most of their cap space and draft capital. They could then pluck Dortch for cheap and still have a stellar trio of wide receivers. Dortch would be a great signing for anybody, but especially the Commanders. Mike Gesicki, Tight End If the Commanders want to become more dynamic in the middle of the field, Dortch is one way to go. Another would be Mike Gesicki. Gesicki is more of a huge slot receiver than a tight end who could fill the role that Zach Ertz held in Arizona during Kingsbury's tenure there. In 2021, Ertz ranked seventh among tight ends in slot snaps with 248 of them. In 2022, his 232 slot snaps ranked fourth at the position. Ertz ranked that highly in slot snaps despite playing only 11 games in 2021 and 10 games in 2022. If head coach Dan Quinn and Kingsbury want a tight end who can play a lot in the slot, Gesicki might be their man. He played 314 snaps from the slot in 2023, which ranked eighth at the position. He didn't play a lot at all in the lone season in Miami he spent with head coach Mike McDaniel, but before that, he was featured as a big slot tight end. His 412 slot snaps in 2021 was first among tight ends. In 2020, he was second at the position with 298 of them. In 2019, his 222 slot snaps were third at the position. Mike Gesicki is among the most athletic tight ends in the NFL. He provides much more versatility as a receiver at that position than Logan Thomas, who the Commanders could cut and save money this offseason. Gesicki's playing time and production have dropped precipitously the last few seasons, but he hasn't been in offenses that fit his skillset all that well. He could be a great fit in Washington. He'd be a nice value signing for the Commanders this offseason. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWinzit Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 (edited) 24 minutes ago, skinny21 said: Obviously comes down to cost and health (ie did surgery go well and is rehabbing progressing on schedule), but Williams could potentially be a great fit for us IMO. If he needs time to regain his form, we have Gates/Stromberg to hold down the fort. If it’s a 1 year deal, it buys us time to time to find a long term solution to the position (and perhaps nets us a comp pick). If it’s a multi year deal, we can allocate draft picks elsewhere and have (likely) added a quality veteran center that should be a boon to a young qb. Personally, I’d rather roll with Stromberg/Gates over signing a “decent” vet center. In fact, that would be my favored philosophy for FA in general - avoid “decent” (and overpaid) FAs, and instead target high end quality players, up-and-coming young guys with potential, and 1 year prove-it types. I don't have much faith in Gates at C based on what I saw last year. Granted the injury is a tick but Williams was rated extremely high among Centers so I find him better than "decent". He would be a great get if they could sign him to a decent multiyear deal. There really aren't any other good Centers available, only a couple "decent" ones like Cushenberry or Baidasz. If we couldn't land him we might be forced to draft by position...need of C...which I'd rather not be in that position even though there are a couple of players I like for the position. Edited February 15 by DWinzit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinny21 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 2 minutes ago, DWinzit said: I don't have much faith in Gates at C based on what I saw last year. Granted the injury is a tick but Williams was rated extremely high among Centers so I find him better than "decent". He would be a great get if they could sign him to a decent multiyear deal. There really aren't any other good Centers available, only a couple "decent" ones like Cushenberry or Baidasz. Yeah, my “decent” comment was in regards to guys like Cushenberry, not Williams. I don’t have faith in Gates either, but as a stopgap for a short time until Williams is healthy, I’m fine with that… though I’d much rather Stromberg take that job over Gates. Of course, I don’t know how Stromberg/Gates/any of the “decent” guys (or even Williams) might fit into whatever scheme we run, so that could change things obviously. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 Need to get this free agency show on the road. Currently, we have too many holes. I am unable to fill them all when I do my mock draft simulations. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinny21 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 (edited) 1 hour ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said: Need to get this free agency show on the road. Currently, we have too many holes. I am unable to fill them all when I do my mock draft simulations. Easy fix - just trade down a bunch to a add a few dozen rooks. Seriously though, I’m with you. Just hope we don’t go after the Nick Gates/Jon Bostic’s of the world in an effort to fill out the roster with stopgaps - the journeyman vets that have shown to be sub-average. Edited February 15 by skinny21 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Est.1974 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 On 2/1/2024 at 8:24 PM, Est.1974 said: Jayron Kearse (3 seasons with DAL) An up-and-down 2023 season makes the Jayron Kearse free agency interesting going into the offseason, especially considering that the front office extended both Donovan Wilson and Malik Hooker before the season. With a few intriguing safety options in the first two rounds of the draft, could the Cowboys look to bring in a replacement for Kearse at a cheaper price? Or do they bring him back to provide reliability in 2024? Another potential factor in his free agency would be a potential Dan Quinn exit. Specifically mentioned by Whitt today…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Est.1974 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 23 minutes ago, actorguy1 said: I think the next move is their CB getting a 100mil deal. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HigSkin Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 1 hour ago, Est.1974 said: I think the next move is their CB getting a 100mil deal. Not sure it's $100 mil but something like Spotrac's estimated value. I was hoping maybe we would get a crack at him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdaddy Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 16 hours ago, Est.1974 said: The Lions built by trading away their star QB, accumulated a stack of draft picks and then put all of those pieces around a retread vet QB. And by hiring a new coach who completely changed the culture but your points are certainly valid. I only bring this up because I think Quinn is a huge part of our being successful moving forward. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoggLife Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 16 hours ago, skinsfan66 said: Detroit just built threw the draft top 4 picks were all hits. We have the picks, need to work the draft and stay away from the big ticket players. We can't build like Detroit. We can't build like SF. We can't build like KC. You have to build your way. No one way works every time or everyone would do it. You can learn certain thing that work but there is no exact blueprint. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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