@DCGoldPants Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 7 minutes ago, Captain Wiggles said: Honestly better than I expected. 🤭 I think that number is still low. My sources shared a picture of a few of those who identified as "independent" on the call, and who strongly disagreed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 49 minutes ago, Spearfeather said: Who's been charged and/or found guilty of insurrection ? "Historical precedent also confirms that a criminal conviction is not required for an individual to be disqualified under Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment. No one who has been formally disqualified under Section 3 was charged under the criminal “rebellion or insurrection” statute (18 U.S.C. § 2383) or its predecessors. This fact is consistent with Section 3’s text, legislative history, and precedent, all of which make clear that a criminal conviction for any offense is not required for disqualification. Section 3 is not a criminal penalty, but rather is a qualification for holding public office in the United States that can be and has been enforced through civil lawsuits in state courts, among other means." 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Wiggles Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 1 minute ago, @DCGoldPants said: I think that number is still low. Oh I agree. In a sane universe the number would be more like 70/20 in favor. Unfortunately a quick look at the Republicans number show the opposite. 😒 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spearfeather Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Califan007 The Constipated said: This fact is consistent with Section 3’s text, legislative history, and precedent, all of which make clear that a criminal conviction for any offense is not required for disqualification. O.k. But was he even charged with that ? https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/12/20/colorado-supreme-court-ballot-decision-helped-trump/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/12/20/colorado-trump-ballott-supreme-court/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hail2skins Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 I was actually surprised that over 20 percent of Republicans would support the Colorado decision. That might just reflect the GOP voters who ate going for Haley or DeSantis in the primary, but if it shows 20 percent of the GOP wouldn't vote for Trump in the general, then maybe Joe has a chance to defy my prediction of Donald part 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooked Crack Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergasun Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 (edited) Colorado has no jurisdiction to charge Trump for the J6 insurrection. Edit: All the Courts opinions commented on the graveness of the process. It's not being done lightly. J6 was a serious event. Edited December 21, 2023 by Fergasun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
China Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Fergasun said: Colorado has no jurisdiction to charge Trump for the J6 insurrection. They don't need to charge him to keep him off the ballot. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergasun Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 @China I am answering the complaint about "well he wasn't convicted...". This is a really crazy situation and the shameless Trumpers won't back down... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CousinsCowgirl84 Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, hail2skins said: I was actually surprised that over 20 percent of Republicans would support the Colorado decision. That might just reflect the GOP voters who ate going for Haley or DeSantis in the primary, but if it shows 20 percent of the GOP wouldn't vote for Trump in the general, then maybe Joe has a chance to defy my prediction of Donald part 2. Maybe but it’s Colorado. There are probably plenty of rhinos there… just saying. And then there will be others that say “well… Trump is a terrible person but he does have some good ideas”…. as to why they will allow themselves there indiscretion of voting for him. . 8 minutes ago, Fergasun said: Colorado has no jurisdiction to charge Trump for the J6 insurrection. Edit: All the Courts opinions commented on the graveness of the process. It's not being done lightly. J6 was a serious event. Yea, but then if a jury of his peers (or a judge) hasn’t convicted him of insurrection then who gets to decide what insurrection is? Were antifa protests insurrection or protest? Who draws the line? I think it has to be decided in court. We need to speed up all these court cases to bury him or put him in prison. Edited December 21, 2023 by CousinsCowgirl84 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Wiggles Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said: Maybe but it’s Colorado. One of the smartest states in the union. Top 5 in education. 🤭 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CousinsCowgirl84 Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Captain Wiggles said: One of the smartest states in the union. Top 5 in education. 🤭 I wasn’t dissing Colorado 🤷♀️ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Spearfeather said: O.k. But was he even charged with that ? He didn't have to be. A suit was brought against him being on the ballot, and those who brought the suit to the courts needed to provide ample evidence that Trump was involved in an insurrection or gave aid and comfort to those who were (or both, which I believe the litigants were claiming both occurred). The courts then decide if they've made their case. Trump can appeal--or could have appealed but chose not to, I guess, since the first ruling was that he would still be allowed on the ballot. I do remember Trump's team putting forth "something" that basically said they were wanting the judge's ruling that 1) an attempted insurrection did indeed occur on Jan 6th, and 2) Trump played a role in it, to be overturned. They praised the judge for keeping him on the ballot but said the ruling that Trump took part in an insurrection attempt needed to be overturned (which of course they said that lol). Edited December 21, 2023 by Califan007 The Constipated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Wiggles Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said: I wasn’t dissing Colorado 🤷♀️ I know. I was just stating a fact. 🤓 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooked Crack Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hail2skins Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 36 minutes ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said: Maybe but it’s Colorado. There are probably plenty of rhinos there… just saying. I took the poll to have consisted of people across the country, not just Colorado Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 46 minutes ago, Captain Wiggles said: I know. I was just stating a fact. 🤓 Where'd you learn that fancy ****....Colorado? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Wiggles Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 1 minute ago, TheGreatBuzz said: Where'd you learn that fancy ****....Colorado? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 (edited) One time I was in Colorado for a football tournament and I decided to go on a walk but left my phone in the hotel. I asked somebody where there was a McDonald’s and he said, “McDonald’s? They’re everywhere!” And I’m like, “No ****. Let’s try this again… Suppose I want to get sausage egg and cheese biscuit. Which ****ing direction should I be walking?” Edited December 21, 2023 by Sacks 'n' Stuff 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Wiggles Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 5 minutes ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said: One time I was in Colorado for a football tournament and I decided to go on a walk but left my phone in the hotel. I asked somebody where there was a McDonald’s and he said, “McDonald’s? They’re everywhere!” And I’m like, “No ****. Let’s try this again… Suppose I want to get sausage egg and cheese biscuit. Which ****ing direction should I be walking?” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, Captain Wiggles said: Yeah, that’s another thing. I was actually right by the Denver airport when this happened… so nowhere near Denver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Wiggles Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 17 minutes ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said: Yeah, that’s another thing. I was actually right by the Denver airport when this happened… so nowhere near Denver. My immediate thought reading your initial post was "sounds like East Denver". It's the kinda place where you see dready hippies running gas stations and restaurants. Totes bizzaro world. 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Captain Wiggles said: My immediate thought reading your initial post was "sounds like East Denver". It's the kinda place where you see dready hippies running gas stations and restaurants. Totes bizzaro world. 🤣 I was close to commerce city and the guy I was talking to definitely did have dreads, and it definitely was in a gas station. Edited December 21, 2023 by Sacks 'n' Stuff 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, Captain Wiggles said: My immediate thought reading your initial post was "sounds like East Denver". It's the kinda place where you see dready hippies running gas stations and restaurants. Totes bizzaro world. 🤣 Also east Atlanta. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hail2skins Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 Allahpundit on the unpollable election: https://www.yahoo.com/news/unpollable-election-230245011.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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