Assault on education

[Cooked Crack]

Technically an assault on this woman's education

 

[TD_washingtonredskins]

3 hours ago, The Evil Genius said:

Do the non spawn rearing people who pay those same taxes that go to public schools get their money back too? Or just the ones who want little Hayden not to have to sit with little Trayvon in class?

I don't know why you assume only racist white people support school choice. In fact, it's a fantastic program for people from poor communities to put their children into better educational situations: 

 

https://medium.com/the-new-leader/a-brief-history-of-school-choice-1955-to-now-3f7dc4a3cb93

 

Friedman goes on to describe the last one room school house in Vermont as well as a predominantly white suburban school suggesting these schools give parents the power to choose. He holds that parents in low-income neighborhoods have no choices for a quality education. Friedman states:

“The people who lose most from this system are the poor, the disadvantaged in large cities. They are simply stuck. They have no alternative.”

 

https://www.gse.harvard.edu/news/19/08/ednext-poll-democrats-divided-over-school-choice

• School choice divides the Democratic Party along racial and ethnic lines. African American Democrats support targeted school vouchers, universal vouchers, and charter schools at 70%, 60%, and 55%, respectively. Among Hispanic Democrats, support for the three policies is at 67%, 60%, and 47%. On the other hand, just 40% of non-Hispanic White Democrats support targeted vouchers, 46% support universal vouchers, and 33% support charter schools.

[The Evil Genius]

Fwiw I went to both, TD, albeit just 10th grade at Norfolk Academy.

 

Private schools are advertised largely as places people can send little Jimmy and Jenny so that they can get the best education due to smaller class sizes and less nuisances. Nevermind that private school teachers don't need to be licensed in Virginia and that most of these schools cater to high income (mostly white) families.

 

Personally, I'm just not in favor of taking funding away from public schools to assist private schools. And I frankly don't see these private schools taking in the lower income students en masse.

Edited March 29, 2023 by The Evil Genius

[TD_washingtonredskins]

20 minutes ago, The Evil Genius said:

Fwiw I went to both, TD, albeit just 10th grade at Norfolk Academy.

 

Private schools are advertised largely as places people can send little Jimmy and Jenny so that they can get the best education due to smaller class sizes and less nuisances. Nevermind that private school teachers don't need to be licensed in Virginia and that most of these schools cater to high income (mostly white) families.

 

Personally, I'm just not in favor of taking funding away from public schools to assist private schools. And I frankly don't see these private schools taking in the lower income students en masse.

 

That makes sense. It could be a bad idea, but I just get sick of the implication that all these programs are automatically some racist mechanism to shield white kids from black kids. When, in fact, the genesis of this program was to provide a way for black kids to attend "better" schools. I see your point about them not necessarily being better...

[China]

Jim Jordan’s Weaponization Of DOJ Report Blows Up In His Face

 

Rep. Jim Jordan’s Weaponization Of Government subcommittee issued a report about the DOJ targeting parents that revealed that it was parents who were threatening school boards.

 

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“In one investigation, an FBI field office interviewed a mom for allegedly telling a local school board ‘we are coming for you,'” states the report, which was entered into the record at a House Judiciary subcommittee hearing Thursday. It says the woman told the FBI that she was merely referring to “coming” for the officials electorally speaking.

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In the Michigan case, the activist’s comments went well beyond “coming for you.” According to video of the November meeting of the Brighton, Mich., school board, the woman said: “We’re coming for you. Take it as a threat. Call the FBI. I don’t care. You’re all either going to be recalled or you’re all — we’re all coming for you. That’s what’s happening.”

 

Moms For Liberty is a well-fronted Republican front group that is dedicated to harassing and terrorizing school boards into implementing a far-right agenda. The weaponization subcommittee report is basically a laundering of Moms For Liberty propaganda that Jordan is attempting to legitimize into an attack on the Justice Department.

 

There is zero evidence that the DOJ targeted parents. There is substantial evidence that right-wing activists have been threatening school employees and officials.

 

Click on the link for the full article

[EmirOfShmo]

2 minutes ago, China said:

Jim Jordan’s Weaponization Of DOJ Report Blows Up In His Face

 

There is zero evidence that the DOJ targeted parents. There is substantial evidence that right-wing activists have been threatening school employees and officials.

 

Click on the link for the full article

 

Anybody who watched not-Murdoch tv saw people all over the country shouting threats to school board members. It was pretty much every day in a different city & state. There were recordings!

GQP - Nah....we got this...😂

[Destino]

8 minutes ago, EmirOfShmo said:

 

Anybody who watched not-Murdoch tv saw people all over the country shouting threats to school board members. It was pretty much every day in a different city & state. There were recordings!

GQP - Nah....we got this...😂

stop believing your lying eyes!

[Larry]

2 hours ago, EmirOfShmo said:

 

Anybody who watched not-Murdoch tv saw people all over the country shouting threats to school board members. It was pretty much every day in a different city & state. There were recordings!

GQP - Nah....we got this...😂

We watched "tourists" "peacefully enter" the US Capitol, too. Doesn't mean the spin machine won't lie their asses off about it. 

[Captain Wiggles]

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Volusia County principal resigns after sending $100K to scammer posing as Elon Musk

 

[Simmsy]

I honestly don't care what red states do anymore, let them destroy themselves. Its what they want and the rest of us will be better off.

[China]

Missouri Reps Just Voted To Completely Defund The State's Public Libraries

 

Late Tuesday night, the Missouri House of Representatives voted for a state operating budget with a $0 line for public libraries. While the budget still needs to work its way through the Senate and the governor’s office, state funding for public libraries is very much on the chopping block in Missouri. 

 

This comes after Republican House Budget Chairman Cody Smith proposed a $4.5 million cut to public libraries’ state aid last week in the initial House Budget Committee hearing, where Smith cited a lawsuit filed against Missouri by the American Civil Liberties Union of Missouri (ACLU-MO) as the reason for the cut. 

ACLU-MO filed the suit on behalf of the Missouri Association of School Librarians and the Missouri Library Association (MLA) in an effort to overturn a state law passed in 2022 that bans sexually explicit material from schools. Since it was first enacted in August, librarians and other educators have faced misdemeanor charges punishable by up to a year in jail or a $2,000 fine for giving students access to books the state has deemed sexually explicit. The Missouri law defined explicit sexual material as images “showing human masturbation, deviate sexual intercourse,” “sexual intercourse, direct physical stimulation of genitals, sadomasochistic abuse,” or showing human genitals. The lawsuit claims that school districts have been pulling books from their shelves. 

 

“The house budget committee’s choice to retaliate against two private, volunteer-led organizations by punishing the patrons of Missouri’s public libraries is abhorrent,” Tom Bastian, deputy director for communications for ACLU-MO said in a statement to Motherboard. 

 

Click on the link for the full article

[GhostofSparta]

On 3/29/2023 at 3:45 PM, TD_washingtonredskins said:

It could be a bad idea, but I just get sick of the implication that all these programs are automatically some racist mechanism to shield white kids from black kids.

Ok, so you may get sick of the implication, but it's not wrong. Not historically, and not in practice.

 

To start with, the boom in private schools in the last last ~70 years can be tied directly to Brown v. Board of Education. They re-emerged from the colonial era into the era of modern public education as a direct effort to fight integration.

https://southerneducation.org/publications/history-of-private-schools-and-race-in-the-american-south/

 

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Private schools may have a long, honorable tradition in America that goes back to colonial times, but that tradition ended—at least in the American South—in the last half of the 20th century when they were used as safe havens for Southern Whites to escape the effects of the impending and ongoing desegregation mandates. This exodus from public schools began in the 1940s, when private school enrollment in the 15 states of the South[1] rose by more than 125,000 students—roughly 43 percent—in response to U.S. Supreme Court decisions outlawing segregation in graduate and professional schools in the South.[2] While the decisions only concerned institutions of higher education, it signaled to watchful Southern leaders that desegregation might soon spread to their public elementary and secondary schools, compelling them to react in ways to defend their way of life.

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By 1958, the South’s private school enrollment had exploded, increasing by more than 250,000 students over an eight-year period, and boasting almost one million students in 1965. This growth was catalyzed by Southern state legislatures, who enacted as many as 450 laws and resolutions between 1954 and 1964 attempting to block, postpone, limit, or evade the desegregation of public schools, many of which expressly authorized the systematic transfer of public assets and monies to private schools. For example, in 1961, Georgia passed a bill to provide tax-funded scholarships and grants for students to attend any non-sectarian private school, doling out roughly $218,000 ($3.6 million in terms of relative income value in 2013) to finance the scholarships of more than 1,500 students in private schools. While none of the new laws specifically mentioned “race” or racial segregation, each had the effect of obstructing Black students from attending all-White public schools.[3]

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From the mid-1960s to 1980, as public schools in the Deep South began to slowly desegregate through federal court orders, private school enrollment increased by more than 200,000 students across the region—with about two-thirds of that growth occurring in six states: Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, and South Carolina.

This doesn't meant that ALL current private schools and home schools are built explicitly on racism and segregation, but only by ignoring the entire history of the movement can someone pretend that it's just an unexplainable mystery why private and home schools are VASTLY more rich and white than public schools and there's no explanation or way to fix it, shrug and move on.

 

 

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When, in fact, the genesis of this program was to provide a way for black kids to attend "better" schools.

So unfortunately, this is also completely false.

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/raymondpierce/2021/05/06/the-racist-history-of-school-choice/?sh=18ee1caa6795

 

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We are less than six months into 2021, and to date, “school choice” legislation has been introduced in at least 20 states, half of which are in the South. Most of these bills promote tax credits, school vouchers, or “education savings accounts.” All of them drain money from underfunded, under-resourced public schools into private schools. And while some proponents of these bills say that they will improve education opportunities for Black and Brown students and students from low-income families, the truth is that they do not. Moreover, these kinds of laws have their roots in a history of racism and school segregation.

 

To trace those roots, we must start with the establishment of public education (or universal mass education) in the South, which came about during Reconstruction. At the time the Fourteenth Amendment passed, education of white children in the South was largely privatized (and mostly restricted to children from wealthier families) and education of Black children (and poor white children) was virtually nonexistent.

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Following the Supreme Court’s landmark 1954 decision in Brown v. Board of Education, which enforced the constitutional prohibition against segregation in public schools, school vouchers became a popular tool for perpetuating the segregation the Court had ruled unconstitutional. Throughout the 1950’s, Southern policymakers enacted legislation setting up tuition voucher or grant programs that were used to close down public school systems altogether, rather than desegregate.

 

A prime example was Prince Edward County, Virginia, where county officials shut down the public school system and opened whites-only private schools funded through tuition grants, rather than operate schools “wherein white and colored children are taught together.” Public schools in the county remained closed for five years until the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the county’s directing of public funds to private white schools in lieu of supporting public schools violated the equal protection clause of the Constitution.

 

https://www.americanprogress.org/article/racist-origins-private-school-vouchers/

 

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Like many public school districts in the South during the Jim Crow era, Prince Edward County operated a segregated school system—a system white officials and citizens were determined to keep by any means necessary. The scheme they hatched was to close public schools and provide white students with private school vouchers.

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Finally, in September 1959, the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ordered the County to “take immediate steps” toward integrating its schools, bringing the situation in the County to a breaking point.¹³ The county board of supervisors, with assistance from the Virginia General Assembly, took additional measures to undermine funding for integrated public schools. The board decided not to levy local taxes for the 1959-60 school year, eliminating a major source of funding for its schools. Meanwhile, the state adopted a new voucher system called a “tuition grant program,” offering students vouchers of $125 for elementary school students and $150 for high schoolers to attend a nonsectarian private school or a public school in nearby localities.¹⁴ During this same period, private citizens began raising funds to build and operate a private school to educate the County’s white children in the event the public schools were closed.¹

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In 1964, the Supreme Court ruled in Griffin v. County School Board of Prince Edward County that the County had to reopen its public schools on the grounds that it was still in violation of the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment.²³ By closing its public schools and subsequently subsidizing private academies that only admitted white students, the County, along with the state board of education and state superintendent, continued to deny black students the rights their white peers were provided. Even with the reopening of the County’s public schools following the Griffin ruling, segregation supported by a voucher system and inequitable funding persisted.²⁴ The County’s board of supervisors devoted only $189,000 in funding for integrated public schools.²⁵ At the same time, they allocated $375,000 that could effectively only be used by white students for “tuition grants to students attending either private nonsectarian schools in the County or public schools charging tuition outside the County.”²⁶

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The trend of increasing racial and economic segregation is a nationwide trend—not just in Alabama and other Southern states.⁵⁵ The South, however, was the only region in the country to see a net increase in private school enrollment between 1960 and 2000, and where private school enrollment is higher, support for spending in public schools tends to be lower.⁵⁶ A growing body of rigorous research shows that money absolutely matters for public schools, especially for the students from low-income families who attend them.⁵⁷ What’s more, private schools in the South tend to have the largest overrepresentation of white students.⁵⁸ In fact, research has shown that the strongest predictor of white private school enrollment is the proportion of black students in the local public schools.⁵⁹

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Today, around 60 percent of voucher recipients come from white families, an increase of 14 percent since the program’s inception in 2013. The percentage of black students receiving vouchers has dropped to 12 percent, down from 24 percent in 2013. Furthermore, NPR’s investigative report notes that more than 50 percent of the students enrolled in the voucher program have never attended a public school.⁶⁶

 

While there is no indication of racial motivation among the Indiana lawmakers who created the voucher program, the effects are clear: Indiana’s voucher program increasingly benefits higher-income white students, many of whom are already in private schools, and diverts funding from all other students who remain in the public school system.

 

 

 

Honestly, unless lawmakers are willing to pass very strict laws (lol) about how private schools that receive public money act in standards, acceptance, and enrollment quotas, then not much will change for those who need it most. As long as private schools can still reject those with physical, mental, or emotional disabilities, while still pulling money from public schools to accept kids who don't need extra help but whose parent can't afford private school without vouchers, and especially as long as religious schools can accept publicly funded vouchers and still discriminate on religious grounds despite getting PUBLIC money, then all that will happen is a slow-motion movement back to segregation. But I guess since this segregation is only implicitly racist/ablest and not explicitly so, it's fine legally.

[Cooked Crack]

On 3/29/2023 at 12:37 PM, Cooked Crack said:

Technically an assault on this woman's education

 

[Captain Wiggles]

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taken in by a fake Elon Musk, someone posing online as the space pioneer. 

 

The **** outta here lady. Like he's Buzz Aldrin or Zefram Cochrane. 

 

Edited March 31, 2023 by Captain Wiggles

[China]

Texas Education Agency moves to appoint conservators for Austin ISD

 

The Texas Education Agency on Friday said it will move to appoint conservators to oversee the Austin Independent School District, citing the district’s failings in serving students receiving special education.

 

The TEA said in a statement that it had been investigating the district’s special education department and found that it had “systemic issues.”

 

“The Agency has developed a rigorous plan for AISD to implement so it can return to state and federal compliance and begin appropriately serving students in need of special education services as quickly as possible,” the statement said.

 

Click on the link for the full article 

[The Evil Genius]

Floriduh.

 

 

 

[Captain Wiggles]

[philibusters]

I am a fan of school choice at least in theory.

 

In life though, there is always the principle and execution.

 

I like school choice because I think it could potentially help people in disadvantaged communities and it will allow parents more say in their children's education.   A lot of the strongest advocates for charter schools are parents in disadvantaged communities and top performing charter schools have achieved results that almost unheard of in public schools in disadvantaged areas.  On the other hand, I would gradually move to school choice.  While high performing charter schools exceed public schools, just as many charter schools do worse than their similarly situated public school rivals.  All the bureaucracy that public school administrators create does place limit on what talented administrators can do, but at the same time it also acts as a quality control device.

 

Children from advantaged neighborhoods are doing just fine now and they will likely to just fine under school choice.  They benefit from having parents who will learn to actively use the system to get the best results from their children.  I do think the advantaged classes have less to gain from changing because our current system focused on public schools (with the option for costly private schools) is producing solid results for them on the whole.  Most live in school districts with good public schools and they if they are wealthy enough they have the option to send their kids to great private schools.

 

I think children from disadvantaged areas would be the big winners and losers of school choice.   Because inevitably they will be set up some terrible schools and they will get rooted out almost instantly in better off school districts, but may take awhile to get rooted out in more disadvantaged areas.  On the other hand, determined parents in disadvantaged with a little trial and error would likely be able to find schools for their children who produce better outcomes on average than the public schools.

 

I also think school choice would allow parents to better match schools that stress the values they consider important.  Progressive parents can send their children to schools that focus on progressive values and conservatives can likewise do the same.

[The Evil Genius]

Hidden for the F bomb.

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

[Captain Wiggles]

I had the worst math teachers in high school. Had the same lady for both geometry and algebra II. She would get migraines all the time and we'd basically do nothing in class. 

[The Evil Genius]

5 hours ago, Captain Wiggles said:

I had the worst math teachers in high school. Had the same lady for both geometry and algebra II. She would get migraines all the time and we'd basically do nothing in class. 

 

My geometry teacher in Jr high (I can't remember her name) looked like Geddy Lee. And once math got past algebra I stopped understanding it. 

Edited April 6, 2023 by The Evil Genius

[Captain Wiggles]

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[Larry]

On 3/30/2023 at 8:28 PM, GhostofSparta said:

Honestly, unless lawmakers are willing to pass very strict laws (lol) about how private schools that receive public money act in standards, acceptance, and enrollment quotas, then not much will change for those who need it most. As long as private schools can still reject those with physical, mental, or emotional disabilities, while still pulling money from public schools to accept kids who don't need extra help but whose parent can't afford private school without vouchers, and especially as long as religious schools can accept publicly funded vouchers and still discriminate on religious grounds despite getting PUBLIC money, then all that will happen is a slow-motion movement back to segregation. But I guess since this segregation is only implicitly racist/ablest and not explicitly so, it's fine legally.

Oh, I've been of the opinion for years, that if private schools want taxpayer funds?  I'm ok with it. 
 

Just as soon as they agree to all of the rules the public schools have. 
 

Like, taking every student who shows up. Regardless of class sizes. Learning disabilities. English fluency. Race. Religion. Parent's income. 
 

Oh. And no, you can't take the tax money, and then charge more, on top of it.