The Official QB Thread- JD5 taken #2. Randall 2.0 or Bayou Bob? Mariotta and Hartman forever. Fromm cut

[The Consigliere]

12 minutes ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said:

He will probably have a similar career to Mariota.

This is a classic case of either there's some hidden traits and nuances we aren't valuing that he has and that are critical, or he is what he looks like, and why so many fans are fearing such a selections the same way they wtf'd Trubisky's Blake and Blaines, Danny Nickels, Kenny Pickett etc. 

 

What bothers me, as I've said far too many times is that most of the times, when the fans are "huh", about these guys, they tend to be right:

Locker, Ponder, Gabbert in '11

Weeden and Tannehill in  '12

EJ Manuel in '13

Bortles in '14

Wentz and Goff in 16

Trubisky in '17

Nickels and Haskins in '19

Wilson, Lance and Mac in '21

Pickett in '22

 

These kinds of what the hell guys have a similar stink on them, some of it is in the metrics they tend to share with other busted comps and some of it is that famous scotus saying about porn and art. There's just something about Bust QB's that gives off a stench. In fairness, its a heavier stench in the middle and late bits of round 1, the Druckenmiller Zone as I like to think of it, but there's also a notorious quality to guys in the top 10. Was some guy ever named Dilfer gonna make the HOF? Trubisky? Seriously....Blake and freaking Blaine, I can't get off of that and it isn't fair, but if your name is Blaine, I just do not see a HOF jacket in your future, and not you either Blake. Danny Nickels was literally patently obvious to such a degree I didn't even mind taking Haskins because thank God we didnt trade a future first for Nickels which was the likely other choice we might make, and there's a reason the only thing people thought of when they thought of Zach Wilson was "Milf Hunter" not his actual career prospects. Pickett? Good God, so so so so obvious. If you're good, you probably shouldn't be total --- your first several years in college. 

[Dah-Dee]

14 minutes ago, SoCalSkins said:

 

 

 

Wow, I have never, ever, ever ever seen that tackle before, thanks for a textbook example of a non-call on a helmet-to-helmet hit!

 

Edit: This is not to take anything away from the magnificent stupidity of a rail-thin QB trying to hurdle an entire DL.

 

Edited April 16 by Dah-Dee

[Sacks 'n' Stuff]

4 minutes ago, The Consigliere said:

This is a classic case of either there's some hidden traits and nuances we aren't valuing

Or people are trying to convince themselves that he’s a better quarterback than he actually is because they like that he can run fast.

3 minutes ago, Dah-Dee said:

Wow, I have never, ever, ever ever seen that tackle before, thanks for a textbook example of a non-call on a helmet-to-helmet hit!

It’s because he wrapped up. They rarely call penalties if you wrap up. They always call the ones where dudes just launch themselves like a missile.

 

Want to avoid penalties? Wrap up.

Edited April 16 by Sacks 'n' Stuff

[ILikeBilly2]

2 hours ago, illone said:

 

 

I've got no problems with Harris... yet.

 

It's early in his tenure so I have to assume he is doing what anyone here would do if we took over as Owner of this franchise.

 

I'd be in every meeting imaginable.

Maybe Mr. Harris will play Undercover Boss tonight and be the restroom attendant at HQ.  He'll know who washes their hands, who is kind and who is sneaking shots from a flask during pee breaks.  Would these boys recognize the boss?

[Dah-Dee]

7 minutes ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said:

He wrapped up. They rarely call penalties if you wrap up. They always call the ones where dudes just launch themselves like a missile.

 

He wrapped up... eventually. First thing to make contact, at 21-22 sec. mark of that clip, was the helmet, you can even see Daniels' helmet start the whiplash cycle. I think Bethune got lucky JD5 was an idiot and jumped into a crowd where the officials didn't have a good look at the shenanigans.

 

It was cool to see that tackle from that angle, though, I hadn't seen that specific clip so thanks @SoCalSkins for that.

Edited April 16 by Dah-Dee

[SoCalSkins]

5 minutes ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said:

Or people are trying to convince themselves that he’s a better quarterback than he actually is because they like that he can run fast.

 

Supposedly fast. He was too much of coward to get measured. It is fair to infer that he’s not actually that fast if measured. 

[Sacks 'n' Stuff]

2 minutes ago, Dah-Dee said:

 

He wrapped up... eventually. First thing to make contact, at 21-22 sec. mark of that clip, was the helmet, you can even see Daniels' helmet start the whiplash cycle. I think Bethune got lucky JD5 was an idiot and jumped into a crowd where the officials didn't have a good look at the shenanigans.

 

It was cool to see that tackle from that angle, though, I hadn't seen that specific clip so thanks @SoCalSkins for that.

I understand that there was helmet to helmet contact. I’m just saying, they almost never call it if the defender wraps up. 

[SoCalSkins]

1 minute ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said:

I understand that there was helmet to helmet contact. I’m just saying, they almost never call it if the defender wraps up. 

Plus he’s a runner at that point and to be fair he’s built like an orange on top of a toothpick. It’s hard to only tackle the toothpick part and not make contact with the orange.  

[Sacks 'n' Stuff]

His head is pretty prodigious.

[SoCalSkins]

4 minutes ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said:

His head is pretty prodigious.

He’s built like the aliens from Mars Attacks. 

[Epochalypse]

I went ahead and checked because I was curious. Jayden Daniels is basically the same height and weight as Randall Cunningham during his playing days.

 

Take that FWIW.

[SkinsFTW]

14 minutes ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said:

Want to avoid penalties? Wrap up.

 

 

[Skinsinparadise]

One of the LSU coaches talked about Daniels really discovered how to maximize his running last year in a bigger way.

 

Last season, Daniels averaged 8.4 YPC and 119 yards per game on the ground which are insane numbers.

 

Either people believe that Daniels best is yet to come based on last year, that pertains to both his passing and rushing or you don't.  But in short, if you average Daniels whole career it dilutes his stats across the board.  You are hoping on his last year defines his career like it did for Burrow.  Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't.  But if you push Daniels, its about his last season.

 

Disagree with Simms on his Maye hate.  But agree with him that Daniels running is special.  Not Lamar.  But Lamar is the Brady of running -- an all timer.

 

 

 

[SoCalSkins]

4 minutes ago, Epochalypse said:

I went ahead and checked because I was curious. Jayden Daniels is basically the same height and weight as Randall Cunningham during his playing days.

 

Take that FWIW.

His weigh in at the LSU pro day is laughable.

 

Randall had a much sturdier frame and was wider at the shoulders. Daniels is tiny.

 

 

[Skinsinparadise]

Destiny, Jay and Colt together

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Skinsinparadise]

 

[CapsSkins]

So Quinn and Peters picked up Daniels but not Maye/McCarthy? Lol

[Skinsinparadise]

 

[Fred Jones]

6 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

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[illone]

Those airport videos are creepy af. Borderline stalker mode there. 

[CapsSkins]

42 minutes ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said:

Or people are trying to convince themselves that he’s a better quarterback than he actually is because they like that he can run fast.

It’s because he wrapped up. They rarely call penalties if you wrap up. They always call the ones where dudes just launch themselves like a missile.

 

Want to avoid penalties? Wrap up.

 

I always wrap up to avoid costly mistakes! 🫡

[SoCalSkins]

2 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

This video disqualifies Jayden. He has a giant checked bag for an overnight trip. Way too much diva. Hard pass. Don’t make DQ wait for you to get your luggage from the baggage claim. Does his agent not teach him a thing? 
 

Maye has a small roller carry-on. Super efficient and appropriate. Gets right by the paparazzi with minimal wasted energy and time. 

 

JJ is lugging a larger wardrobe backpack without wheels. Too much wasted energy and inefficiency. Might be coachable but not worth the effort at 2. 
 

 

[CapsSkins]

Not that I don't trust Twitter user "CAPITAL PAPARAZZI", but who's to say Quinn was there for any one guy specifically? For all we know they could've all carpooled lol.

[Sacks 'n' Stuff]

5 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

 

I’ve seen enough. Deliver the card to Roger.

[CapsSkins]

Penix says don't forget about me!