skinny21 Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said: I still can't believe Wagner is on this team. That's just insane to me. Signing Wagner, Luvu and Chinn is going to be a ton of fun to watch. I really like Martin, too and think he'll be a massive upgrade to Butler. I'm interested to see how DeFo and Davis do in this offense. I was a big Forrest fan in ‘22. Some nice hits/tackles, but also some really nice grabs off deflections by St Juste. That hustle play to get deep on his INT vs Philly (sorry bro) was impressive as well. He looks like the odd man out now (ditto Davis), but I think these guys will have a role carved out for them - Forrest in 3 safety sets (though I’m guessing Hampton will get a look there as well), and Davis in base D and 2 linebacker sets on passing downs. And of course they’ll provide quality depth in case of injury. Edit: I really like our top 3 guys at both positions and then the additions of Hampton/Magee as understudies. Edited May 15 by skinny21 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 6 minutes ago, skinny21 said: I was a big Forrest fan in ‘22. Some nice hits/tackles, but also some really nice grabs off deflections by St Juste. That hustle play to get deep on his INT vs Philly (sorry bro) was impressive as well. He looks like the odd man out now (ditto Davis), but I think these guys will have a role carved out for them - Forrest in 3 safety sets (though I’m guessing Hampton will get a look there as well), and Davis in base D and 2 linebacker sets on passing downs. And of course they’ll provide quality depth in case of injury. Edit: I really like our top 3 guys at both positions and then the additions of Hampton/Magee as understudies. I'm not an Eagles fan bro. I only cheer for them after our season is done, around late september. This year hopefully I don't have to do that any more. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bird_1972 Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 7 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said: Between the FA additions and the massive coaching upgrade, I expect our D to be top half of the league this year. I think that's reasonable. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinny21 Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 I think we can all feel pretty good about our DTs, LBs and Safeties - 3 deep at each spot, plus rooks with potential vying for the 4th spot at the latter two positions (Magee/Hampton). Corner and DE are a bit sketchier. At corner, the addition of Davis gives us a baseline of competency, and if St Juste/Forbes relegate Davis to a backup role, all the better. The scheme and coaching could/should help, and the UDFAs are intriguing. Sainristil is a nice add, and Martin/St Juste provide depth (though moving them would create a question mark at FS/outside corner). DE is going to be fascinating. Here’s hoping someone steps up among Henry, Jean-Baptiste and Jones, because Armstrong and Ferrell/Fowler feel more decent/solid than good. Of course you have to assume we’ll be getting some pressure from other areas as well. Overall, I’m pretty optimistic about the D. Good combo of experience, youth, and athleticism, and it’s nice to have quality coaches across the board. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chump Bailey Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 Just found out we signed LB Mykal Walker. I've no idea how well he has fared but I really liked him coming out of Fresno State. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 Saw the clips of Jamin working out with the DLs. He was running drills from a three point stance. Jamin's change of direction agility and closing speed are elite, and he's got the size to play edge. It's an interesting change for him. On the one hand, he can offer unique talent for covering the flats and carrying TEs and receivers out of the backfield deep for an edge. His blitzes were one of the better parts of his game, and playing edge will simplify his pre and post snap reads. On the other hand, Jamin is not that good at playing with anticipation and timing snaps. He's a very reactive player, and I can see him being the last one off the line of scrimmage a lot. And even though he is strong and has good length, he's not that physical. As a tackler he has never been a striker. Just catches ball carriers and wrestles them down. I wonder how he'll fare in a much more physical role of having to rush the passer full time from the edge. To his credit, he's not soft at taking on blocks, and he is difficult to sustain blocks against. The natural speed and strength are there. He doesn't have Josh Allen's skill level as a rusher, but I think he's a very similar athlete with a similar style of play. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always A Commander Never A Captain Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 1 hour ago, Going Commando said: Saw the clips of Jamin working out with the DLs. He was running drills from a three point stance. Jamin's change of direction agility and closing speed are elite, and he's got the size to play edge. It's an interesting change for him. On the one hand, he can offer unique talent for covering the flats and carrying TEs and receivers out of the backfield deep for an edge. His blitzes were one of the better parts of his game, and playing edge will simplify his pre and post snap reads. On the other hand, Jamin is not that good at playing with anticipation and timing snaps. He's a very reactive player, and I can see him being the last one off the line of scrimmage a lot. And even though he is strong and has good length, he's not that physical. As a tackler he has never been a striker. Just catches ball carriers and wrestles them down. I wonder how he'll fare in a much more physical role of having to rush the passer full time from the edge. To his credit, he's not soft at taking on blocks, and he is difficult to sustain blocks against. The natural speed and strength are there. He doesn't have Josh Allen's skill level as a rusher, but I think he's a very similar athlete with a similar style of play. I like the idea of speed/agility threatening the Edge. It pressures that side of the OL to want to move more than normal. But it needs to be married with other pass rushers attacking gaps that should now be wider. So blitzes, stunts, etc forcing the Guard to cover more ground and stress what's likely worse interior agility. I think if done well great speed off one Edge can let us attack and exploit the Guard on that side. I feel like Dallas has done this well for years so I'm excited. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 (edited) Just some minor points, catching up with Finlay's podcast. A. Chinn in person looks big for a safety -- looks like a force on the field B. Luvu is all over the field, looks very impressive, big difference from the past at that spot. C. Quan is playing with the #1's at safety Edited May 27 by Skinsinparadise 4 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oraphus Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 4 hours ago, Going Commando said: Saw the clips of Jamin working out with the DLs. He was running drills from a three point stance. Jamin's change of direction agility and closing speed are elite, and he's got the size to play edge. It's an interesting change for him. On the one hand, he can offer unique talent for covering the flats and carrying TEs and receivers out of the backfield deep for an edge. His blitzes were one of the better parts of his game, and playing edge will simplify his pre and post snap reads. On the other hand, Jamin is not that good at playing with anticipation and timing snaps. He's a very reactive player, and I can see him being the last one off the line of scrimmage a lot. And even though he is strong and has good length, he's not that physical. As a tackler he has never been a striker. Just catches ball carriers and wrestles them down. I wonder how he'll fare in a much more physical role of having to rush the passer full time from the edge. To his credit, he's not soft at taking on blocks, and he is difficult to sustain blocks against. The natural speed and strength are there. He doesn't have Josh Allen's skill level as a rusher, but I think he's a very similar athlete with a similar style of play. Except for he cant cover worth a damn, his coverage grades are below average Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bird_1972 Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 3 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said: C. Quan is playing with the #1's at safety VERY interesting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always A Commander Never A Captain Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 6 hours ago, oraphus said: Except for he cant cover worth a damn, his coverage grades are below average Different coverage responsibilities as an Edge who drops vs an off-ball LB that needs to be more aware of seams and crossers through their zone and then also be aware of the RB leaking out. He'll have less to worry about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 Feel like Davis would be a natural 3-4 OLB/Edge. In a 4-3 I think he might get lost in the shuffle a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 18 hours ago, oraphus said: Except for he cant cover worth a damn, his coverage grades are below average He can cover a flat or carry TEs and backs in man. Those coverages are about speed and I've seen him make plays in those exact situations last season. He's about as fast as it gets pursuing a throw way out to the edge of the flat. Edges have way easier reads than stack linebackers. Even total morons like Montez Sweat were fine at edge because of how easy it is to see the ball from their position. It's the spot for big dumb freak athletes, and that's Jamin. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly4skins Posted Monday at 01:46 AM Share Posted Monday at 01:46 AM (edited) Saw this on twitter and couldn't believe it's been 33 years since our last defensive shutout...and, just a skosh under 2 decades longer than the next teams on the list at 15. How can that even be true? Edited Monday at 01:47 AM by formerly4skins 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyHolt Posted Monday at 10:00 AM Share Posted Monday at 10:00 AM (edited) 8 hours ago, formerly4skins said: Saw this on twitter and couldn't believe it's been 33 years since our last defensive shutout...and, just a skosh under 2 decades longer than the next teams on the list at 15. How can that even be true? That really sums up nicely what I have seen for decades. All our DCs called soft passive read react and get run over bend don't break embarrassing to watch defenses far more than I see other teams do. Giving up points to start games almost deliberately to get a read on the offense while icing our own offense. Ironically those same DCs preach upon being hired how they are going to be aggressive and attack the QB. I feel bad for our players forced to overthink playing conservative and making mistakes as a result, versus being allowed to be aggressive. Everybody remembers how rookie QBs dominated us for years. Maybe with new ownership our new DC will want to actually remain employed in what used the be the elite ****hole organization. The best our defense looked was under Haslett I think we were 3-6 and he unleashed the dogs vs Philly (and the rest of the season) to salvage the famed RB3 years. Instead of Madieu abused in prevent let him and the rest attack most notably to start games. Dictate to OCs for once. We made the playoffs. Edited Monday at 10:03 AM by RandyHolt 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommanderInTheRye Posted Monday at 03:41 PM Share Posted Monday at 03:41 PM Explosive, fast, and physical-- that's the new mantra for our defense going forward. For Dan Quinn and Joe Whitt defensive scheme is a secondary consideration. Playing style, is the primary factor that determines the success or failure of a defense, and three words embody their philosophy-- explosive, fast, and physical. https://www.si.com/nfl/commanders/news/washington-commanders-coach-dan-quinn-joe-whitt-jr-play-style-jumps-off-tape-dorance-armstrong-dallas-cowboys Commanders Coaches Dan Quinn and Joe Whitt Jr. Play Style 'Jumps Off the Tape' New Washington Commanders defensive end Dorance Armstrong knows coaches Dan Quinn and Joe Whitt Jr., and says one thing clearly separates them from others. David Harrison | 19 Hours Ago ASHBURN, Va. -- Washington Commanders head coach Dan Quinn made no effort to disguise what he wants his team to look like when he took over the team early this offseason. "Explosive and physical," Quinn said in his introductory press conference as the Commanders' new leader of the on-field product. That's what he wants, and that's what he's set out looking to build. Joining him in his efforts is Washington defensive coordinator Joe Whitt Jr., coming over from the Dallas Cowboys organization the two worked for when Quinn was the coordinator under head coach Mike McCarthy. New Commanders defensive end Dorance Armstrong Jr. came too, determined to stick with the coaches who helped him find success in Dallas. In part because of the one thing that sets the two coaches apart from every other in the league. "It's straightforward. It is not difficult, but you got to understand what you're doing in the system, so it's all about the little details as well. Everything plays a part in itself." - Dorance Armstrong Jr., Commanders DE "The play style. If you watch the film from previous teams that they've been on, it jumps off the tape itself," Armstrong said when asked what sets the two coaches apart from their peers. "The players, how fast they play, how fast they move. Simply just the play style. You don't see that across the league everywhere." Play style, not scheme, is something else the coaches have emphisized during the offseason. Plenty of teams utilize three-man defensive fronts, or four, or even two and five. Those aren't particularly unique. So if everyone is dancing to the same music, it's how you dictate your steps that makes a team different, and that's what Armstrong enjoys about what Quinn and Whitt Jr. are doing. "Fast and physical," he said about what their style means for players. "It's straightforward. It is not difficult, but you have to understand what you're doing in the system, so it's all about the little details as well. Everything plays a part in itself." Explosive, fast, physical, all of these words are those being used to describe what the new brand of Washington football will look like. By coach and player alike, and it's a welcome change from the style of play seen in years past. 5 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyHolt Posted Tuesday at 01:43 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 01:43 AM Taking no risks on defense at every chance last year, we finished dead last in points allowed. https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/team-stats?category=defense&season=2023&seasonType=reg&sort=def_pts_a&sortOrder=asc And it wasn't even close. There is nothing to fear trying to attack QBs long before a 3rd and long down 17 with 4 minutes left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted Wednesday at 02:23 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 02:23 PM "How do you take on a blocker, how do you learn this play, mindset things, technique things, things that helped him stay in the league a long time." Jordan Magee said about Bobby Wagner. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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