BBC: China pneumonia outbreak: COVID-19 Global Pandemic

[Jumbo]

13 minutes ago, Larry said:

Possible topic of discussion:  A proposal to discuss:  

 

Proposed:  We cannot begin opening up parts of our normal economy, until after we reach the point where it's safe for people to go to the doctor/hospital for non-emergency health care.  

 

Is it safe to, say, open up the restaurants, when it's not safe for people to have non-life-threatening medical procedures?  

 

(Although maybe a different take:  Open up medical offices, if they aren't inside hospitals.  Is that a good plan?)

 

Or do we need to demand that the hospitals must be back to normal, first?  (Do they have to have normal levels of PPE, first?)

 

 

so shouldn't that be a new thread and not another invitation to an extended separate specific discussion with multiple potential tangents of its own?

 

your first sentence is "Possible topic of discussion:  A proposal to discuss: "

 

let's not do this so much, it really gets tiring on this end (too) and interrupts the thread   

[Larry]

Quote

<mod edit off topic response to moderating post--should have  been put in tech/feedback forum per rule (and avoid temp ban)>

 

 

[twa]

 

 interesting data on urban vs rural, how it changes or remains will impact directions and options

 

https://aese.psu.edu/nercrd/publications/covid-19-issues-briefs/rural-covid-19-cases-lag-urban-areas-but-are-growing-much-more-rapidly

 

deaths and hospitalization trends vs simply infections

[Jumbo]

@Larry

 

figure it out best you can from what's been stated on this the last few weeks and paying attention to how/when the thread flows without mod interruption for extended tangents  which become numerous if not self- or mod managed

 

customized individual tutorials are not available at this time 

 

notice what's being called out   

 

 

 

[EmirOfShmo]

15 hours ago, DCSaints_fan said:

 

I don't think NYC has substnatially more international travel LA, even just from Europe, or at least not enough to explain a 10x discrepancy

 

LA has really crummy mass transit, whereas NYC has packed subways

 

 

I agree the packed subways (and cab & Uber/Lyft) have contributed to the high number in NYC. 

 

NYC travel, including PHL, EWR, LGA & JFK, is almost twice that of LAX. I couldn't find decent international traveler numbers for each airport. It's approximately 14m travelers per month in NYC vs. 7m in LAX (without looking at seasonal variations - just the total number divided by 12). It's not only those people traveling international but anybody who was near these people in baggage claim, elevators, airline clubs, people movers (rental car buses, parking shuttle buses, etc.) restaurants, etc. Obviously, the same is true for both areas. A lot of people take buses & trains to NYC from outside of NY to take cheaper/faster flights to EU. To your point, mass transit in the East Coast corridor is much better than that in the LAX area.  

 

Here's the info for 2018 from the NY/NJ Port Authority:

 

 

https://www.panynj.gov/airports/en/statistics-general-info.html

[Larry]

I do think there need to be stated standards we eed to meet, before considering relaxing.  Just think there's room for what those standards need to be.  

 

Would it be reasonable to demand that we have to have tested 10% of the population, before we can ease?  (Heck, have we even tested 1% yet?)  

 

Maybe demand that each state will ease up, when the number of infections has gone down for two weeks in a row?  (Do we have to demand that the number of infections must have gone down, despite the number of tests going up?)

 

I really think there needs to be some kind of a benchmark.  (More likely several).  Or we're going to wind up with the standard being "whenever Trump thinks will boost his TV ratings the most".  

Edited April 12, 2020 by Larry

[Larry]

Also reflecting, it sure would be nice if we had antibody testing, so we could tell who/how many people have had it, and recovered.  Although:  

 

1)  That's like wishing for a magic wand.  We don;t have it, and not likely to have it in the short term  

 

2)  And if prior exposure doesn't grant immunity, then it might not be as useful as I imagine.  

[PCS]

 

 

[twa]

51 minutes ago, Larry said:

Also reflecting, it sure would be nice if we had antibody testing, so we could tell who/how many people have had it, and recovered.  Although:  

 

1)  That's like wishing for a magic wand.  We don;t have it, and not likely to have it in the short term  

 

2)  And if prior exposure doesn't grant immunity, then it might not be as useful as I imagine.  

 

random testing  in regions can act as polling till anti body testing becomes readily available.

 

I think there is room to have various standards depending on density/mass transit ect.

 

the immunity factor is definitely going to need clarified to move forward much.

 

results from Germany and such in that will help, and we have some going here.

[skinsmarydu]

Chew sends love. His FIL is hanging on, things are bleak, but miracles DO happen, so keep the good juju/woo train rollin if you would. 

He also sent a photo of his son, I can't even begin to tell you how adorable he is...lifted my spirit immensely. 💖

 

[Jumbo]

i just  now had time to read that nyt piece

 

it's not revelatory, it's just seeing it in print has a stark, concrete, nature to it that leaves me thinking again about things i wish would happen to don and associates 

[visionary]

 

[Larry]

Beats bragging about what great ratings you're getting, from lying about thousands of people dying.  

 

But not by much.  

 

[visionary]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[visionary]

 

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Sinister]

Looks like my bow is arriving right on time. Might have to start hunting some of the wildlife out here

[@DCGoldPants]

500lbs of garbage stuffed in a 300lb sack.

 

"no excuses"

 

 

[Wildbunny]

18 minutes ago, @SkinsGoldPants said:

 

He's talking about the test he stole from other countries by outbidding them after they bought it first?

 

[PCS]

Simple,easy to see through strategy by the scumbag and his merry band of lowlifes. Try to get things opened up early and if/when things go wrong,blame the states themselves

 

[Larry]

"Y'all better fix this problem despite me actively working to make it worse, because I'm about to make it worser."  

[spjunkies]

1 minute ago, PCS said:

Simple,easy to see through strategy by the scumbag and his merry band of lowlifes. Try to get things opened up early and if/when things go wrong,blame the states themselves

 

 

Should be interesting to see how this plays out. What if numbers in places like Arkansas or Tennessee spin out of control, will those governors have the guts to point the finger at trump?

[Larry]

3 minutes ago, spjunkies said:

 

Should be interesting to see how this plays out. What if numbers in places like Arkansas or Tennessee spin out of control, will those governors have the guts to point the finger at trump?

 

Roughly the same as the number of Senators who voted to punish him for extorting illegal campaign contributions, in front of 30 witnesses.  

[Bonez3]

“Also, gear up with face masks”????

 

I would comment more about him and this but I won’t. The remark is analogous to telling soldiers in war to get battle ready with guns and had only given them knives.

 

”no excuses” ... so hypocritical. Is that Harry Truman plaque about where a buck ends up still in the White House?

Edited April 12, 2020 by Bonez3

[Mr. Sinister]

That buck is gonna be on display in a museum

 

[Cooked Crack]

 

Who are these people who trust Trump more or about the same?