Skinsinparadise Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 23 minutes ago, Hail2theSkins24 said: Anyone else find it interesting Ian Rappaport tweeted Vita Vea might not be available at 13? I feel like Ian is as plugged in league wide as anyone. I find it surprising, usually those presumed 2-down guys tend to slide. Maybe teams see pass-rush potential in Vea? Yeah Vea actually had about 10 sacks in college, there are some who think he brings that dimension. Cooley is just one opinion. But like I said Cooley didn't hate the idea of taking Vea at 13. He hated it initially but then cooled off. He could see why some teams saw him that way. He hated the idea of Payne at 13. I recall Cooley before last years draft was taken by Jonathan Allen, ironically. I've recalled Cooley nailing it on so many D lineman here that I take his take seriously. I recall like yesterday when he went over Reyes tape when they signed him and said he was awful. Saying McClain and McGee were just guys when they signed him. He was one of the only guys touting Ionnaidis' play his rookie year saying just watch that one he will be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMadisonSkins Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 10 minutes ago, Hail2theSkins24 said: Anyone else find it interesting Ian Rappaport tweeted Vita Vea might not be available at 13? I feel like Ian is as plugged in league wide as anyone. I find it surprising, usually those presumed 2-down guys tend to slide. Maybe teams see pass-rush potential in Vea? Well, mock drafts tend to get more accurate later in the cycle as the people doing the mock drafts get more insight and better feels for where players are truly slotted. Vea has been going to Oakland and Miami in a lot of mock drafts lately. In fact, most of the mocks I've seen have him gone before we pick ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markmills67 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 17 minutes ago, Hail2theSkins24 said: Anyone else find it interesting Ian Rappaport tweeted Vita Vea might not be available at 13? I feel like Ian is as plugged in league wide as anyone. I find it surprising, usually those presumed 2-down guys tend to slide. Maybe teams see pass-rush potential in Vea? I think Vea will go to the Dolphins to replace Suh. HTTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 10 minutes ago, JamesMadisonSkins said: Well, mock drafts tend to get more accurate later in the cycle as the people doing the mock drafts get more insight and better feels for where players are truly slotted. Vea has been going to Oakland and Miami in a lot of mock drafts lately. In fact, most of the mocks I've seen have him gone before we pick ... I've noticed the same. I am more of a Vea than Payne guy. But really don't want either at 13. I can be talked into Phillips, Settle, Hill in the 2nd or later. But yeah I've noticed some things of late are a little different. I am hoping Vea goes before our pick because I am hung up on Fitzpatrick and James and that should help them fall. A. Derwin James (as someone else pointed on the board, too) falling to our pick or later. There was a phase when he was hot as could be where 7 was his floor. That seems to have changed. B. James effects Fitzpatrick some. Before it was James going earlier seem to contribute to Fitzpatrick going later. Now that's reversed where Fitzpatrick is going top 13 again a lot. C. Seems like the Giants are really linked harder than ever to Barkley but if not they nail Guice later in the draft possibly as early as 12 if they trade with Buffalo D. Eagles linked hard with Guice. E. Landry bouncing all over but seems 15-20 F. Mike McGlinchey might go before 13 G. The Lamar Jackson going top 10 thing has cooled H. Edmonds-R. Smith were hot -- then cooled -- now seem hot again in the top 13 I. D. Ward is mostly top 13 but sometimes he falls to our pick. My opinion hasn't changed in that I think one of these guys: Ward, Fitzpatrick, James fall to 13. But impossible to gauge which one. 6 minutes ago, markmills67 said: I think Vea will go to the Dolphins to replace Suh. HTTR My guess for Miami (being in South Florida) reading various things -- Fitzpatrick or Vea. And if they could trade up for Mayfield or Rosen that's a wild card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMadisonSkins Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Wrapping up my Mock Draft 3.0 ... this one goes through the Skins pick in R3 with trades limited to the 1st round. Let me know what you think. Trades cut off ... so here are the trades: *Trade 1: Buffalo sends 1.12 + 1.22 + 2.21 + 2019 1st to NY Giants for 1.2 *Trade 2: NY Giants send 1.12 + 1.22 and 2019 1st to Cleveland for 1.4 *Trade 3: New England sends 1.23 and 2.9 to San Francisco for 1.9 *Trade 4: LA Chargers send 1.17 and 3.20 to Washington for 1.13 Round 1 Team Pick Value Pick 1 Cleveland Sam Darnold, QB USC 3000 Pick 2 *Buffalo Josh Allen, QB Wyoming 2600 Pick 3 NY Jets Baker Mayfield, QB Oklahoma 2200 Pick 4 *NY Giants Saquan Barkley, RB Penn State 1800 Pick 5 Denver Quenton Nelson, OG Notre Dame 1700 Pick 6 Indianapolis Bradley Chubb, DE NC State 1600 Pick 7 Tampa Bay Derwin James, S Florida State 1500 Pick 8 Chicago Tremaine Edmunds, LB Virginia Tech 1400 Pick 9 *New England Josh Rosen, QB UCLA 1350 Pick 10 Oakland Roquan Smith, ILB Georgia 1300 Pick 11 Miami Vita Vea, NT Washington 1250 Pick 12 **Cleveland (2) Mike McGlinchey, OT Notre Dame 1200 Pick 13 *LA Chargers Minkah Fitzpatrick, CB/S Alabama 1150 Pick 14 Green Bay Denzel Ward, CB Ohio State 1100 Pick 15 Arizona Lamar Jackson, QB Louisville 1050 Pick 16 Baltimore Calvin Ridley, WR Alabama 1000 Pick 17 *Washington Derrius Guice, RB LSU 950 Pick 18 Seattle Josh Jackson, CB Iowa 900 Pick 19 Dallas Courtland Sutton, WR SMU 875 Pick 20 Detroit Isaiah Wynn, G Georgia 850 Pick 21 Cincinnati Will Hernandez, G UTEP 800 Pick 22 **Cleveland (3) Maurice Hurst, DT Michigan 780 Pick 23 *San Francisco Leighton Vander Esch, LB Boise St. 760 Pick 24 Carolina James Daniels, G/C Iowa 740 Pick 25 Tennessee Harold Landry, Edge Boston College 720 Pick 26 Atlanta Da'Ron Payne, DT Alabama 700 Pick 27 New Orleans Mason Rudolph, QB Oklahoma State 680 Pick 28 Pittsburgh Ronnie Harrison, S Alabama 660 Pick 29 Jacksonville Rashaan Evans, ILB Alabama 640 Pick 30 Minnesota Connor Williams, T/G Texas 620 Pick 31 New England (2) Dallas Goedert, TE SDSU 600 Pick 32 Philadelphia Kolton Miller, OT UCLA 590 Round 2 Team Value Pick 1 Cleveland Jaire Alexander, CB Louisville 580 Pick 2 NY Giants Billy Price, C/G Ohio State 560 Pick 3 Cleveland (2) Malik Jefferson, LB Texas 550 Pick 4 Indianapolis Austin Corbett, G Nevada 540 Pick 5 Indianapolis (2) Isaiah Oliver, CB Colorado 530 Pick 6 Tampa Bay Orlando Brown, OT Oklahoma 520 Pick 7 Chicago Braden Smith, G Auburn 510 Pick 8 Denver Sony Michel, RB Georgia 500 Pick 9 *San Francisco D.J. Moore, WR Maryland 490 Pick 10 Miami Jessie Bates, FS Wake Forest 480 Pick 11 Oakland Jamarco Jones, OT Ohio State 470 Pick 12 Washington Harrison Phillips, DT Stanford 460 Pick 13 Green Bay Justin Reid, FS Stanford 450 Pick 14 Cincinnati Mike Hughes, CB UCF 440 Pick 15 Arizona Tyrell Crosby, OT Oregon 430 Pick 16 LA Chargers Taven Bryan, DT Florida 420 Pick 17 Indianapolis (3) Ronald Jones, RB USC 410 Pick 18 Dallas Mike Gesicki, TE Penn State 400 Pick 19 Detroit Kerryon Johnson, RB Auburn 390 Pick 20 Baltimore Hayden Hurst, TE South Carolina 380 Pick 21 *NY Giants (2) Ogbonnio Okoronkwo, Edge Oklahoma 370 Pick 22 Kansas City Sam Hubbard, Edge Ohio State 360 Pick 23 Buffalo Frank Ragnow, C/G Arkansas 350 Pick 24 Carolina Christian Kirk, WR Texas A&M 340 Pick 25 Tennessee Tim Settle, NT Virginia Tech 330 Pick 26 Atlanta D.J. Clark, WR LSU 320 Pick 27 San Francisco (2) Rashaad Penny, RB SDSU 310 Pick 28 Pittsburgh Lorzenzo Carter, Edge Georgia 300 Pick 29 Jacksonville Mark Andrews, TE Oklahoma 292 Pick 30 Minnesota Donte Jackson, CB LSU 284 Pick 31 New England Martinas Rankin, OT Miss. State 276 Pick 32 Cleveland (3) James Washington, WR Oklahoma State 270 Round 3 Team Value Pick 1 Buffalo Anthony Miller, WR Memphis 265 Pick 2 NY Giants Carlton Davis, CB Auburn 260 Pick 3 Indianapolis Michael Gallup, WR Colorado 255 Pick 4 Houston Chukwuma Okorafor, OT Western Mich. 250 Pick 5 NY Giants (2) Marcell Atteman, WR Oklahoma State 245 Pick 6 San Francisco B.J. Hill, DT NC State 240 Pick 7 Denver Nick Nelson, CB Wisconsin 235 Pick 8 NY Jets Geron Christianson, OT Louisville 230 Pick 9 Miami Luke Falk, QB Washington State 225 Pick 10 San Francisco (2) Armani Watts, FS Texas A&M 220 Pick 11 Oakland Uchenna Nwosu, LB USC 215 Pick 12 Green Bay Josey Jewell, LB Iowa 210 Pick 13 Cincinnati Tavaras McFadden, CB Florida State 205 Pick 14 Kansas City Sean Welsh, OG Iowa 200 Pick 15 Arizona Simmie Cobbs, WR Indiana 195 Pick 16 Houston Desmond Harrison, G/T West Georgia 190 Pick 17 Dallas Duke Ejiofor, Edge Wake Forest 185 Pick 18 Detroit Da'Shawn Hand, DT Alabama 180 Pick 19 Baltimore Will Richardson, OT NC State 175 Pick 20 *Washington Mason Cole, C/G Michigan 170 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTTRDynasty Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 It's lying season, but still: According to ESPN's Todd McShay, Georgia ILB Roquan Smith is "the guy [the Raiders] want" at No. 10 overall. "Roquan Smith is the guy," McShay said on a conference call Wednesday morning. "I don’t know that they would be willing to give away additional picks later to go up and get him. But he’s the guy they want." Smith and Va. Tech's Tremaine Edmunds are the top-two inside linebacker prospects in this class, and the Raiders seem to prefer Smith. In Oakland, Navorro Bowman remains a free agent, and the team has no clear heir in the middle. McShay compared Smith to Luke Kuechly and Jonathan Vilma. Extraordinarily athletic, Smith is a force both in the run game and coverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always A Commander Never A Captain Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 5 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said: I know some might be interested, some clearly not but for what its worth, listening to Cooley-Casserly talk draft today. Some of their points: Casserly A. Likes Vea a lot, thinks he's the perfect need fit for the Redskins. Likes Payne but not as much, sees Payne as a late first rounder. Vea to him brings more pass rush than Payne. B. Loves Guice, sees him as 2nd best RB in the draft. Jones is #3. However, he has 6 RBs with first round grades -- Barkley, Guice, Jones, Michel, Chubb, Penny. I'm always in the minority on this, but Casserly was one of the worst GM's we had. Vinny Cerrato beats him out, but Casserly is right behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcdiscokid Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Alcoholic Zebra said: I'm always in the minority on this, but Casserly was one of the worst GM's we had. Vinny Cerrato beats him out, but Casserly is right behind. Absolutely, I think they are a toss up... The kings ransom we had we should of been stacked after that, but he basically through it all away for champ bailey. While I admit he is good, just wasnt worth what we gave up to get him smh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 17 minutes ago, Alcoholic Zebra said: I'm always in the minority on this, but Casserly was one of the worst GM's we had. Vinny Cerrato beats him out, but Casserly is right behind. I am not a big Casserly guy myself but none of the points he made about the defensive tackles are outliers -- they flow pretty well with the typical draft geek -- I guess he's maybe more enthusiastic about the RBs that the typical talking head. As a GM, Casserly was an odd duck, often screwing up the first round but not bad at finding talent in the later rounds. Sort of Vinny's strengths and weaknesses in reverse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 So for the last day for visits they capped it off with Vea and Michel The Redskins also hosted Georgia running back Sony Michel Wednesday, the last day teams could host potential draft picks. The Redskins have expressed an interest to try and upgrade at running back and have shown strong interest in other backs, notably LSU's Derrius Guice. The question becomes when would they pick one -- if indeed they do. At 13 it might be too high for Guice and 44 might be too low for the backs they would consider upgrades. They went to dinner with Guice the night before his Pro Day and also hosted him at Redskins Park. They also hosted Ronald Jones II after attending his makeup Pro Day. John Keim, ESPN Staff Writer6m ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Unless a stud DB falls, it's looking like a DL/RB combo right now in the drafts first two rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 6 minutes ago, UK SKINS FAN '74 said: Unless a stud DB falls, it's looking like a DL/RB combo right now in the drafts first two rounds. I think its likely a stud DB does fall and if they take him -- it will be interesting to see how they play the 2nd Rd, i gather RB will be more likely BPA than a DT but you never know. I think OG is a really interesting one too -- similar to RBs in that a lot of value likely in the late first-early to mid 2nd. Getting Hankins would open things up big time. But yeah I can totally see DT isn't addressed until the 4th round. Not saying I think that will happen but its seems plausible. Heck if they play BPA, its plausible that DT and RB doesn't get addressed until the later rounds. Lets say if their interest is as hot as purported in Fitzpatrick-James and Billy Price. It's possible that they take James or Fitzpatrick in the first and Price in the 2nd if he falls there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcbothwel Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 3 hours ago, JamesMadisonSkins said: Wrapping up my Mock Draft 3.0 ... this one goes through the Skins pick in R3 with trades limited to the 1st round. Let me know what you think. Wait... Do you really not have Nick Chubb going in the top 100? Any GM that takes Ronald Jones or Johnson over Chubb should be fired immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcdiscokid Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 8 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said: I think its likely a stud DB does fall and if they take him -- it will be interesting to see how they play the 2nd Rd, i gather RB will be more likely BPA than a DT but you never know. I think OG is a really interesting one too -- similar to RBs in that a lot of value likely in the late first-early to mid 2nd. Getting Hankins would open things up big time. But yeah I can totally see DT isn't addressed until the 4th round. Not saying I think that will happen but its seems plausible. Heck if they play BPA, its plausible that DT and RB doesn't get addressed until the later rounds. Lets say if their interest is as hot as purported in Fitzpatrick-James and Billy Price. It's possible that they take James or Fitzpatrick in the first and Price in the 2nd if he falls there. Its really seems to me this is going to be a wild draft because of the QB's, no one knows for sure what anyone is going to do.. Almost feels like there are a million scenarios that could play out on draft day.. We could guess all day and still not have the answer lol... Edit: And I mean its always like this just the prospect of 4-5 qb's in top 15 makes even crazier... and there could only be 2 and change the whole dynamic of everyone's mocks and expert picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 8 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said: I think its likely a stud DB does fall and if they take him -- it will be interesting to see how they play the 2nd Rd, i gather RB will be more likely BPA than a DT but you never know. I think OG is a really interesting one too -- similar to RBs in that a lot of value likely in the late first-early to mid 2nd. Getting Hankins would open things up big time. But yeah I can totally see DT isn't addressed until the 4th round. Not saying I think that will happen but its seems plausible. Heck if they play BPA, its plausible that DT and RB doesn't get addressed until the later rounds. Lets say if their interest is as hot as purported in Fitzpatrick-James and Billy Price. It's possible that they take James or Fitzpatrick in the first and Price in the 2nd if he falls there. Think we would definitely go stud DB in that scenario. Too good to pass over. Get Hankins in, so then go RB with our second pick. Yep the seem keen on Price, also Josh Jackson we were told. We need another damn pick in the top 45. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Acre Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 We should be able to come out of this draft with starters at DT/NT, RB, and LG, and a slot corner. Fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always A Commander Never A Captain Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 49 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said: I am not a big Casserly guy myself but none of the points he made about the defensive tackles are outliers -- they flow pretty well with the typical draft geek -- I guess he's maybe more enthusiastic about the RBs that the typical talking head. As a GM, Casserly was an odd duck, often screwing up the first round but not bad at finding talent in the later rounds. Sort of Vinny's strengths and weaknesses in reverse. His screw-ups in the 1st round were colossal. He inherited a SB winning team and then failed to restock talent or build depth. Once that roster aged out the wheels fell off the team. His 4 years with the Houston Texans didn't go anywhere either. First year as an expansion team, they won 4 games. The last year he was their GM, they won 2 games. 3 minutes ago, GothSkinsFan said: We should be able to come out of this draft with starters at DT/NT, RB, and LG, and a slot corner. Fine. That would be a phenomenal draft. A good draft is considered to be one where you come away with 2 starters. 4 starters is nuts, but I'm with you in hoping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcdiscokid Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, GothSkinsFan said: We should be able to come out of this draft with starters at DT/NT, RB, and LG, and a slot corner. Fine. I want some of your Kool-aid.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 2018 NFL Mock Draft: Will the Eagles finally take a running back? Updated 8:53 AM; Posted 8:35 AM By Eliot Shorr-Parks eshorrpa@njadvancemedia.com, NJ Advance Media for NJ.com Believe it or not, the 2018 NFL Draft is now just over a week away, with the Eagles set to make their first round selection in just eight days. Is this the year they finally take a running back with their first pick? The Eagles have been hinting at grabbing a running back in the first round for years, as last season they showed plenty of interest in Florida State's Dalvin Cook and Oklahoma's Joe Mixon. Although they ultimately ended up passing on both, the Eagles are once again showing a ton of interest in this year's running back class -- specifically LSU running back Derrius Guice. http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2018/04/2018_nfl_mock_draft_will_the_eagles_finally_take_a_running_b.html#incart_river_index http://draftanalyst.com/nfl-draft-news-notes-april-18 People familiar with the situation believe the Green Bay Packers are likely to select eitherMinkah Fitzpatrick or Josh Jackson with their first-round selection. And while the team needs a pass rusher, they are desperate for help in the secondary. The point was made that Fitzpatrick and Jackson both fit the cornerback/safety hybrid mold which the team prefers. I’m told Denzel Ward of Ohio State is the player the Packers truly covet, but short of trading up, the team won’t have a shot at drafting him. If the Miami Dolphins don’t move up for a quarterback, sources tell me the player they really want is Roquan Smith. But will Smith be available when the team is called to the clock? In our recent mock draft, we have the Oakland Raiders selecting Smith with the pick immediately preceding the Dolphins’ selection. If that happens, I’m told linebacker Leighton Vander Esch will be a consideration for the Dolphins if they can’t get a quarterback and both Smith and Tremaine Edmunds are off the board. Director of college scouting Adam Engroff, a resident of Boise, Idaho, has been raving about Vander Esch since last summer and rates the junior on a par with Edmunds. Vander Esch would definitely help the run defense and has the athleticism the team needs to cover running backs and tight ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMadisonSkins Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 1 hour ago, pcbothwel said: Wait... Do you really not have Nick Chubb going in the top 100? Any GM that takes Ronald Jones or Johnson over Chubb should be fired immediately. An oversight. I overlooked TB going RB in R2. So pencil him in there. I had him there then changed a few things and forgot Chubb was still around. I think he will be #4 RB off the board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Bucky Brooks at the end of the Path to the Draft show today touted Guice over Barkley as a pure runner. Again, I'd take Barkley obviously but its interesting to see the buzz around Guice is picking up. The Eagles at this point linked as much to Guice as the Redskins -- also to the Giants as fall back if they don't take Barkley. It gives the vibe he might play in the NFC East. TheHogSty @TheHogSty 32m32 minutes ago More TheHogSty Retweeted John Keim Guice and Michel have both been to Redskins Park. Could be subterfuge, but the team has consistently shown a desire to upgrade at RB this whole offseason. TheHogSty added, John KeimVerified account @john_keim The Redskins also hosted Georgia running back Sony Michel Wednesday, the last day teams could host potential draft picks. The Redskins have expressed an interest to try and upgrade at running back and have shown strong interest in other backs, notably... http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-40019606-4 … John KeimVerified account @john_keim 27m27 minutes ago More def not subterfuge. Draft still needs to break right to get guy(s) they like. Eric Boswaggins @EricJen10708049 2h2 hours ago More Seems like skins really like Guice and Payne. Reports seemed to have stayed pretty consistent through the process. Do you think they take Fitzpatrick at 13 if there? Not an immediate need as other guys but clearly BPA Direct message John KeimVerified account @john_keim FollowingFollowing @john_keim More Replying to @EricJen10708049 they have been looking for guys with His sort of versatility. Yes on Guice/Payne. I would not take Payne at 13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 Earl Forcey @EarlForcey 13m13 minutes ago More After listening to @ChrisTrapasso talk #NFLDraft with @chaddukes today on @1067theFan if the #Redskins decide to go with RB Derrius Guice at 13 I’m more than OK with it. In fact I may be rooting for it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinny21 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 Comparing the draft class, the fact db might be BPA at our pick, our needs, and a win now mentality... I really have to wonder if we wind up trading away a pick/picks from next year to gain a pick in the top 100. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMadisonSkins Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 If we stayed at 13 I could find worse things to do than draft Guice. And if Phillips or Settle can be had at 44, I think you can find a Guard to compete in round 4/5 as well as some secondary depth. If Antonio Callaway falls past Round 5 in taking him ... too much upside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murphs56 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 Trade back, you'll still end up with Guice or Payne and then you can draft a RB or DT in round 2 as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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