Busch1724 Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 When hearing about the latest developments, I was dumbfounded. The NFL certainly seems to know what punishment they want to institute and choose evidence to support the punishment they want. To ignore what Kia Roberts recommended, and for Goodell to let Lisa Friel dictate who could and could not be at that meeting is ridiculous. I'm certainly no Zeke fan, but the punishment may fit the crime, but there isn't enough evidence to fully support the victim's claims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM72 Posted September 1, 2017 Author Share Posted September 1, 2017 Elliott gone wind up with no suspension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazzaro703 Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 The NFL has really crapped their pants on this. There is corruption behind the scenes here. I hope Elliot at the very least plays against the Giants since we already know Mara cheats and I wouldn't be surprised at all if he has some hand in this farce. It makes me sick to have to defend the Cowboys and Zeke definitely needs to improve his behavior, but they are ruining a man here on a very suspect charge. This league has turned into a complete joke and 25+ years of following the Redskins is the only thing that keeps me watching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busch1724 Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Zazzaro and DM72, completely agree. If they did, which it certainly appears, they withheld the recommendation of the lead investigator; he should have it wiped out. It sure seems corrupt, even if it wasn't, and paints the league in a bad light. So far he has wronged Dan, Kraft, Davis family, and Jerry. The next time Rodger's contract is up, I wonder if he'll have the 75% to approve it? He is slowly losing people. They can easily find someone else to make the owners a bunch of money, which is basically the main concern of the owners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doncherry Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 3 hours ago, Busch1724 said: Zazzaro and DM72, completely agree. If they did, which it certainly appears, they withheld the recommendation of the lead investigator; he should have it wiped out. It sure seems corrupt, even if it wasn't, and paints the league in a bad light. So far he has wronged Dan, Kraft, Davis family, and Jerry. The next time Rodger's contract is up, I wonder if he'll have the 75% to approve it? He is slowly losing people. They can easily find someone else to make the owners a bunch of money, which is basically the main concern of the owners. I see a few people here and there who are sick of the incompetence/corruption at the NFL league offices, and you can count me as one of them, but as long as the Ginger Hammer keeps making the league owners record breaking profits, he is there for as long as he wants. Between the corruption, the inconsistencies regarding rules (e.g.. what is a catch?), the league denying the concussion problems, the league's refusal to help out older NFL players, it is becoming really difficult to justify watching NFL football. But I will watch, I try and tell myself I won't, but I will, because NFL football is awesome to watch on TV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eaglesfandan Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 4 hours ago, doncherry said: I see a few people here and there who are sick of the incompetence/corruption at the NFL league offices, and you can count me as one of them, but as long as the Ginger Hammer keeps making the league owners record breaking profits, he is there for as long as he wants. Between the corruption, the inconsistencies regarding rules (e.g.. what is a catch?), the league denying the concussion problems, the league's refusal to help out older NFL players, it is becoming really difficult to justify watching NFL football. But I will watch, I try and tell myself I won't, but I will, because NFL football is awesome to watch on TV. Ha... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor 36 Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 On September 1, 2017 at 8:07 AM, justice98 said: Stall it out, cut the suspension, miss the Skins game. I'd be cool with that. I think the NFL's out is gonna be, as I recall, they didnt suspend him solely for one incident. It was a multitude of things mashed together. On top of this, what most keep overlooking is the fact that the Brady case set precedent that the NFL and Goodell have the power to discipline players even when evidence is lacking. The crutch here is that the NFLPA agreed to as much in the CBA, and the CBA was upheld as legally binding in the Brady case. So, as I said last year, the fans cheering the deflate-gate outcome because of hatred for the Pats and Tom were missing the implications this would have on their teams down the road. It appears the Cowboys fans may be the first to figure this out firsthand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busch1724 Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 On 9/2/2017 at 9:00 AM, Taylor 36 said: On top of this, what most keep overlooking is the fact that the Brady case set precedent that the NFL and Goodell have the power to discipline players even when evidence is lacking. Good point, but in this case it appears they withheld evidence. I"m wondering how that affects the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazzaro703 Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 On 9/2/2017 at 9:00 AM, Taylor 36 said: On top of this, what most keep overlooking is the fact that the Brady case set precedent that the NFL and Goodell have the power to discipline players even when evidence is lacking. The crutch here is that the NFLPA agreed to as much in the CBA, and the CBA was upheld as legally binding in the Brady case. So, as I said last year, the fans cheering the deflate-gate outcome because of hatred for the Pats and Tom were missing the implications this would have on their teams down the road. It appears the Cowboys fans may be the first to figure this out firsthand. The NFLPA got absolutely fleeced in that negotiation, which also didn't allow the players to take action on the back room handshake collusion to keep a year of their salary as low as possible even though it was an uncapped year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazzaro703 Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 On 9/1/2017 at 11:48 AM, Busch1724 said: Zazzaro and DM72, completely agree. If they did, which it certainly appears, they withheld the recommendation of the lead investigator; he should have it wiped out. It sure seems corrupt, even if it wasn't, and paints the league in a bad light. So far he has wronged Dan, Kraft, Davis family, and Jerry. The next time Rodger's contract is up, I wonder if he'll have the 75% to approve it? He is slowly losing people. They can easily find someone else to make the owners a bunch of money, which is basically the main concern of the owners. I don't think this is Roger going rogue though. He is the mouth piece for the owners, it's just a matter of which owners at this point. It's not Kraft, Snyder or Jones and all signs point to Mara. There is no way he does these things without some of the owners input. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsGuy Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 1 hour ago, Zazzaro703 said: The NFLPA got absolutely fleeced in that negotiation, which also didn't allow the players to take action on the back room handshake collusion to keep a year of their salary as low as possible even though it was an uncapped year. Fleecing makes it sound like they were tricked or conned somehow. They weren't. They were just out maneuvered by the owners and their lawyers, who can make numerous deals like this before breakfast. They were just outclassed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor 36 Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 7 hours ago, SkinsGuy said: Fleecing makes it sound like they were tricked or conned somehow. They weren't. They were just out maneuvered by the owners and their lawyers, who can make numerous deals like this before breakfast. They were just outclassed. I understand what you're saying, but I still like "fleeced" because the players and the union were conned into having D. Smith represent them, and his utter incompetence and stupidity allowed the owners to get everything they wanted, including signing off on the capgate agreement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsGuy Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 1 hour ago, Taylor 36 said: I understand what you're saying, but I still like "fleeced" because the players and the union were conned into having D. Smith represent them, and his utter incompetence and stupidity allowed the owners to get everything they wanted, including signing off on the capgate agreement. Well, the only ones who could've conned them in that situation was themselves. Didn't they elect D. Smith to represent them? The owners are multi-millionaire and billionaire mover-and-shakers. These kind of negotiations and deals are old hat to them. The union folks can't really compete. Remember the 1987 strike. The owners ran circles around them and basically busted that union up. As you said, the union folks (especially D. Smith) are incompetent. They'll mess it up again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazzaro703 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 19 hours ago, SkinsGuy said: Fleecing makes it sound like they were tricked or conned somehow. They weren't. They were just out maneuvered by the owners and their lawyers, who can make numerous deals like this before breakfast. They were just outclassed. Yeah I guess you are right. They were outclassed for sure. Some of the owners are right there with the players I would think and I wonder how long they could operate without revenue sharing money coming in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM72 Posted September 6, 2017 Author Share Posted September 6, 2017 Surprised no one has commented on this. Apparently Ezekiel Elliott will play week 1 regardless if they reach a decision on his appeal by Sunday or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsGuy Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 5 minutes ago, DM72 said: Surprised no one has commented on this. Apparently Ezekiel Elliott will play week 1 regardless if they reach a decision on his appeal by Sunday or not. Well, as of right now, he is still suspended (at least according to my fantasy football site). I have Elliot on my fantasy team. There's nothing on NFL.com about him playing Sunday, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM72 Posted September 6, 2017 Author Share Posted September 6, 2017 The story has been picked up by numerous outlets, but the report is from Mike Fisher of CBS Sports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbit Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 if he gets to play the giants whats the point mara? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM72 Posted September 6, 2017 Author Share Posted September 6, 2017 I just saw a report that the suspension is upheld, but he will be allowed to play Sunday night. Could this be about ratings for a nationally televised game? No Zeke for the Redskins game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbit Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 1 minute ago, DM72 said: I just saw a report that the suspension is upheld, but he will be allowed to play Sunday night. Could this be about ratings for a nationally televised game? or a lovers spat Trouble in paradise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carex Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 The NFL has problems going in on things like this because by the time it gets to any sort of hearing the court of public opinion has already decided. And I feel like the NFLPA is to quick to jump to people's defense on behavior issues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbit Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 12 minutes ago, carex said: The NFL has problems going in on things like this because by the time it gets to any sort of hearing the court of public opinion has already decided. And I feel like the NFLPA is to quick to jump to people's defense on behavior issues nflpa are union stewards aka defense attorneys. its what they do regardless the crime they are there by their side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carex Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 3 minutes ago, Gibbit said: nflpa are union stewards aka defense attorneys. its what they do they need to spend more time doing injury stuff and getting more money for lower tier players than that like did the union ever fight the IR standards in the NFL? In the 80s returns let people take longer to heal up and got replacements signed and then they changed it with no trouble in the 90s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbit Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 7 minutes ago, carex said: they need to spend more time doing injury stuff and getting more money for lower tier players than that like did the union ever fight the IR standards in the NFL? In the 80s returns let people take longer to heal up and got replacements signed and then they changed it with no trouble in the 90s unions are politics. politics is media. get reelected and my previous post of being "by their side" doesn't mean they have their heart in it. Its their job to be there. "court appointed" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterPinstripe Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 Dont see anyway how this is overturned, just delayed. The NFLPA agreed to the CBA which gives the NFL this power, and they have multiple cases that Brady failed to win challenging that power. Its just a matter of when those 6 games will be served. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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