Skinsinparadise Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Morgan Epstein @Morgan_Epstein Follow More #Colts and #Skins both contacted the Bengals about the 9th pick during the 2017 NFL Combine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Reuben Foster is not a top ten talent anyhow. Getting sent home from the combine doesn't change that. Smallish stack linebackers that don't make big plays aren't top ten picks. He was being overrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilco_holland Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 8 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said: Morgan Epstein @Morgan_Epstein Follow More #Colts and #Skins both contacted the Bengals about the 9th pick during the 2017 NFL Combine. Good work. Gaining intel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor703 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 11 minutes ago, stevemcqueen1 said: Reuben Foster is not a top ten talent anyhow. Getting sent home from the combine doesn't change that. Smallish stack linebackers that don't make big plays aren't top ten picks. He was being overrated. Are you sure you're thinking of the Alabama LB Reuben Foster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Jonathan Allen is not a top ten talent either, PFF is late to the ball in figuring that out. He's another Alabama guy set to be over-drafted because people think he's a way bigger talent than he really is. He's an overachiever playing in a front with a ton of other NFL bound talent and he got a disproportionately high number of favorable match ups and he was able to exploit them for eye popping sack numbers. Same story for Carlos Watkins, and nobody ever confused him for a top five pick. The SEC and Alabama hype machine has boosted Allen's stock and people think he's a way better pass rusher than he really is. He's a good player who should have a solid NFL career if he stays healthy but he's not special. His first few steps are way too slow to be special. Just kind of a solid jack of all trades guy. Late teens to early 20s value. Dalvin Cook was also being overrated, again PFF is assuming he's a faller because of a weak combine when the reality is he was being heavily overrated before the combine began. Christian McCaffrey is better than him and their places in the recent mock drafts should be flipped. McCaffrey was easily the best RB in CFB the last two seasons, and Fournette is the only guy who should be ahead of him at the position. And that's only because Fournette's freakish size-speed ration makes you think he could have more potential. McCaffrey was way better than him on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 14 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said: Morgan Epstein @Morgan_Epstein Follow More #Colts and #Skins both contacted the Bengals about the 9th pick during the 2017 NFL Combine. The cost of that would be our second rounder. Viable if we gain extra picks before the draft........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Now that Bruce is in charge, they better not start dummying up draft picks again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 19 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said: Morgan Epstein @Morgan_Epstein Follow More #Colts and #Skins both contacted the Bengals about the 9th pick during the 2017 NFL Combine. Don't know how I feel about that. One of the only good reasons to move up that high before the draft would be to get a QB, and #9 ain't going to be high enough to get the only one worth replacing Kirk with. Have to move up to 2 to get Watson. And even then the Browns could screw us over. If we're moving up for a QB, then we need to wait until draft day to make sure Cleveland picks Myles Garrett. And then we need to hope San Francisco is still looking to get Kirk and hasn't already gone with another option. It is a small needle to thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsPassion4Life Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 no interest in trading picks to move up in a very good draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Only scenario I see us moving up to #9 is if we already have the #2 plus an extra second or third rounder from SF. We give up our original second to jump to #9 whilst also having #2. Plus we have still have SFs second or third in the bank. CLE trade for Jimmy, give up #12, then go Garrett at #1. None of that will happen though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartyPosse Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 If we nabbed the #2 from SF, I want BPA on defensive side at 2 and trade down (hopefully) from 17 and grab either Kizer or Mahomes and let them sit for a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor703 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Wait, what? Johnathan Allen isn't a top 10 talent either? Come on dude lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Rang via CBS, new mock. R. Foster at #17 to the Redskins. Reddick goes top10. S. Thomas the 2nd pick in the draft. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2017-nfl-mock-draft-reuben-foster-falls-to-redskins-in-big-post-combine-shakeup/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clskinsfan Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 1 hour ago, stevemcqueen1 said: Jonathan Allen is not a top ten talent either, PFF is late to the ball in figuring that out. He's another Alabama guy set to be over-drafted because people think he's a way bigger talent than he really is. He's an overachiever playing in a front with a ton of other NFL bound talent and he got a disproportionately high number of favorable match ups and he was able to exploit them for eye popping sack numbers. Same story for Carlos Watkins, and nobody ever confused him for a top five pick. The SEC and Alabama hype machine has boosted Allen's stock and people think he's a way better pass rusher than he really is. He's a good player who should have a solid NFL career if he stays healthy but he's not special. His first few steps are way too slow to be special. Just kind of a solid jack of all trades guy. Late teens to early 20s value. Dalvin Cook was also being overrated, again PFF is assuming he's a faller because of a weak combine when the reality is he was being heavily overrated before the combine began. Christian McCaffrey is better than him and their places in the recent mock drafts should be flipped. McCaffrey was easily the best RB in CFB the last two seasons, and Fournette is the only guy who should be ahead of him at the position. And that's only because Fournette's freakish size-speed ration makes you think he could have more potential. McCaffrey was way better than him on the field. Well at least we agree at the RB position. As far as Foster and Allen go we are WORLDS apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clskinsfan Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 1 hour ago, SkinsPassion4Life said: no interest in trading picks to move up in a very good draft. I like this. But it would most likely be to get one of the 2 top safeties. I could probably live with that in all honesty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Acre Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 With our holes on D, if we move up to #9 -- meaning we're giving up at least a 2nd -- we better get a guy who can cover *and* rush the QB at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMadisonSkins Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 If we can get #2 from SF I'd seriously consider trading back within the top 10 to a QB needy team and taking the best defender available on defense at both 1st round picks. Hopefully bet a 2nd in a trade back to really accelerate the "rebuild". If we can get SF 1st in 2018 I target a QB then. 1-1-2 of Jonathan Allen, Reuben Foster and Budda Baker would be sick. Or hooker, Brantley, Cunningham. However you slice it. Of course ... then we'd have a young solid core on defense and Colt McCoy at QB haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMadisonSkins Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 To uplift my spirits a bit I went and did a FanSpeak with Matt Miller's board and the Niners 1st (2) and 3rd (2) ... *Trade: 1.2 to San Diego for 1.7 and 2.6 1.7: Malik Hooker, FS Ohio State 1.17: Johnathan Allen, DE Alabama 2.6: TJ Watt, EDGE/ILB Wisconsin 2.17: Jarrad Davis, ILB Florida 3.3: Nathan Peterman, QB Pitt 3.17: JuJu Smith-Schuster, WR USC 4.7: Ethan Pocic, G/C LSU 4.17: Eddie Jackson, S Alabama 5.10: James Connor, RB Pitt Stopped after 5 rounds because you get the point. I can't see Allen falling to #17 but with the injury concerns, maybe? But jesus, If that was our draft through 5 rounds I think we'd all give up Kirk right now haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 48 minutes ago, JamesMadisonSkins said: If we can get #2 from SF I'd seriously consider trading back within the top 10 to a QB needy team and taking the best defender available on defense at both 1st round picks. Hopefully bet a 2nd in a trade back to really accelerate the "rebuild". If we can get SF 1st in 2018 I target a QB then. 1-1-2 of Jonathan Allen, Reuben Foster and Budda Baker would be sick. Or hooker, Brantley, Cunningham. However you slice it. Of course ... then we'd have a young solid core on defense and Colt McCoy at QB haha If you trade Kirk for #2, then that #2 pick is for getting a QB. You don't trade a franchise QB for a defensive lineman. That would be madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMadisonSkins Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 38 minutes ago, stevemcqueen1 said: If you trade Kirk for #2, then that #2 pick is for getting a QB. You don't trade a franchise QB for a defensive lineman. That would be madness. Not when there's no one worth the #2 pick. Unless you think deshaun Watson is the guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Just now, JamesMadisonSkins said: Not when there's no one worth the #2 pick. Unless you think deshaun Watson is the guy? He's who I would pick. I think he's a stud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clskinsfan Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 42 minutes ago, stevemcqueen1 said: If you trade Kirk for #2, then that #2 pick is for getting a QB. You don't trade a franchise QB for a defensive lineman. That would be madness. There is no franchise QB in this draft IMO. Now next year is a different beast all together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMadisonSkins Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 I do feel like we've been saying "next year" will be the year for QBs. Which is why I'm okay going QB in the 2nd/3rd this year. No guarantee we have a pick or ability to get near a pick next year for a QB. But having 2 #1's next year is a good start at least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 1 hour ago, JamesMadisonSkins said: I do feel like we've been saying "next year" will be the year for QBs. Which is why I'm okay going QB in the 2nd/3rd this year. No guarantee we have a pick or ability to get near a pick next year for a QB. But having 2 #1's next year is a good start at least If we turn into a team with a good defense and running game, full of young players and don't do well, so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dukes and Skins Posted March 8, 2017 Author Share Posted March 8, 2017 20 hours ago, Monk4thaHALL said: Hey @Dukes and Skins I can officially join the club. Haha. Remember? Wow. You really are throwing it back man lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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