The Gun Control Debate Thread

[stoshuaj]

3 hours ago, Simmsy said:

 

This country is over.

no, it’s not.  (IMHO)

 

Don’t focus on the dumbest of the dumb, the worst of the worst, and all the negative (just a suggestion)

[tshile]

1 minute ago, stoshuaj said:

Don’t focus on the dumbest of the dumb, the worst of the worst, and all the negative (just a suggestion)

That’s like 80% of everything though. 

[tshile]

16 hours ago, China said:

I thought gun shop owners were supposed to be "responsible" gun owners.

 

Not sure who says this, but the reality is that while there’s lots of laws about running a gun shop there is very little proactive enforcement. Mostly because the ATF is kept from productively carrying out their mission statement in regards to overseeing gun shops. 

[stoshuaj]

4 minutes ago, tshile said:

That’s like 80% of everything though. 

That’s like 80% of everything you read.

[Cooked Crack]

 

 

 

[Captain Wiggles]

I've actually heard this from a few Trumpers. They think they should be allowed to not only have nuclear weapons but operate nuclear facilities on there property. Completely unregulated obviously. 🤪

[tshile]

So two things

 

like a third the way through he actually calls it the first amendment 

 

and he somehow things a person can just be responsible about owning a nuclear weapon by themselves for … wait for it … defensive purposes. 

[China]

On 11/24/2021 at 7:20 PM, China said:

OK, this is getting absurd.

 

Estancia requires 'armed' meetings in response to new Roundhouse rules

 

 If you want to attend a town hall meeting in Estancia, you're going to have to be armed.

 

The new rule was approved during a meeting last week by town leaders and now they could be hit with a lawsuit for it.

 

"In order to attend an Estancia town meeting, one must be legally armed,” said Estancia Mayor Nathan Dial. 

 

Dial proposed the rule at their last meeting – it passed by a 3-2 margin, with Dial as the deciding vote.  

 

 "This rule is in direct response to what the state did,” said Dial. 

 

Dial said after it was decided that lawmakers couldn't carry in the Roundhouse, he wanted to implement the exact opposite.

 

“It's designed so those who want to have guns can't be told by the state that this rule applies to municipal levels. As shock value, I wrote it very vague."

 

The way it is written, Dial says the term "legally armed" is very much up to interpretation. 

 

"You can come with the knowledge to fight for what you want, that's armed," Dial said.

 

While the majority in attendance were in favor of the rule, there was some pushback, including from the town clerk.

 

"I think to say it this way is not in the best interest of the town."

 

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Estancia mayor says rule on being armed at meetings misinterpreted

 

The mayor of a small Central New Mexico town says a new rule requiring residents who attend Town Council meetings to come legally armed has been misinterpreted.

 

In a letter last week to the American Civil Liberties Union of New Mexico, Estancia Mayor Nathan Dial, who proposed the rule, wrote, “The term ‘legally armed’ is not limited to weapons of physical character. The reason for the term ‘legally’ is to ensure no felons or other individuals would carry a firearm if they decided to attend with an arm.”

 

He argued the town is following the state’s lead, given lawmakers recently voted to ban weapons in the state Capitol, where people have been permitted to carry firearms for years.

 

The ACLU is threatening to sue the Torrance County town if it doesn’t rescind or revise the rule, which states those who attend public meetings “must be legally armed. By entering this meeting you acknowledge that you are prepared to defend yourself and your beliefs with what you believe is necessary to do so. (This definition is at the discretion of the Executive Branch).”

 

It allows exceptions for religious, medical and ethical reasons.

 

Dial said in an interview Tuesday the Estancia rule does not require people to carry guns into town meetings. He previously said that under the rule, residents could instead come armed with knowledge, wisdom or a Bible — whatever they felt was necessary to defend themselves. But he acknowledged the original rule, passed by the Town Council on a 3-2 vote Nov. 15, might be unclear. He said he will work to revise the language of his rule to clarify the language in his letter, some of which, he said, is vague.

 

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[LD0506]

It's kind of amazing that wherever you go, anywhere in the country, people are willing to vote for total dumbasses

[China]

 

 

 

You better watch out
You better not cry
You better not pout
I'm telling you why
Santa Claus is arming himself

He's loading his gun,
He's checking it twice,
He's gonna find out who's naughty or nice
Santa Claus is arming himself

He sees you when you're stealing
And he knows when you're a thief
He shoots if you've been bad, not good
So be good for goodness sake

[China]

Sheriff: Georgia teen killed as brother sells homemade gun

 

A 14-year-old Georgia girl was killed when her younger brother was trying to sell a homemade gun, and he fired a shot at people who took the weapon without paying, a sheriff said.

 

The shot struck Kyra Scott, and she died as her mother was trying to take her to a hospital, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported.

 

Douglas County Sheriff Tim Pounds said Kyra’s 13-year-old brother and the man who was allegedly trying to buy a homemade gun, 19-year-old Yusef McArthur El, were both arrested Monday and charged with murder. McArthur El is also charged with robbery-sudden snatch. The two were denied bond Tuesday. A sheriff’s captain said Thursday they did not yet have attorneys.

 

McArthur El was being held at the Douglas County jail, and the 13-year-old boy was at a youth detention center.

 

Pounds said the boy had ordered all the parts he needed to make guns, including semiautomatic weapons, and the boy had been selling them. On Saturday, two people arrived at a home in Douglasville to buy one of his guns and fled without paying, Pounds said.

 

“According to the investigation, he was shooting at the folks that took his weapon,” Pounds said. “But instead, he shot his sister. And it’s so sad his sister’s death happened.”

 

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[Cooked Crack]

 

 

[Larry]

Hmmm. How did he bring it to school?  
 

Theories:  

 

1). He picked it up from the home of a "responsible gun owner"who leaves loaded handguns laying around in a house with a second grader. 
 

2). Antifa gave it to him as part of a false flag undercover operation. 
 

3)......?

[tshile]

Nsfw. Lots of F bombs. 
 

but. I think he’s correct. 
 

Spoiler

 

 

[Captain Wiggles]

Forget cotillion getting shot in the leg is the class I'm signing up for. 😤

[China]

House aide arrested for bringing handgun into Capitol complex

 

A congressional aide was arrested Thursday morning for bringing a handgun into the Longworth House Office Building, part of the Capitol complex.

 

Capitol Police said in a statement that officers in the building spotted the image of a handgun in a bag on the x-ray screen and tracked down the owner of the bag, 57-year-old Jeffrey Allsbrooks, minutes later and arrested him.

 

Allsbrooks, a staffer with the House Chief Administrative Office, is being charged with carrying a pistol without a license, the Capitol Police said.

 

"Allbrooks told our officers he forgot the gun was in the bag," the statement said, adding that the case remains under investigation.

 

A security alert was issued at Longworth because of the police activity. Staff in the building were directed to move inside their or the nearest offices, lock their doors and windows and silence their electronics.

 

Shortly after the alert, the Capitol Police said that it had cleared the potential threat.

 

The arrest came just hours before President Joe Biden, first lady Jill Biden, Vice President Kamala Harris and second gentleman Doug Emhoff are scheduled to travel to the Capitol to attend a congressional ceremony to pay tribute to the late Sen. Bob Dole, R-Kan., who died at the age of 98 over the weekend and will lie in state.

 

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[stoshuaj]

^another “whoops I forgot” from a “responsible gun owner”

 

Throw the book at him

signed,

a responsible gun owner

 

PS:  they won’t 

[tshile]

Hold on

 

if they’re scanning the bag with the detectors and see a gun why do they have to “track down the owner”. Is he standing right in front of you?

[China]

2 hours ago, tshile said:

Hold on

 

if they’re scanning the bag with the detectors and see a gun why do they have to “track down the owner”. Is he standing right in front of you?

 

That's a good question, I had the same thought.

[China]

Fueled by gun violence, cities across the US are breaking all-time homicide records this year

 

One of the fastest-growing cities in the country, the capital of Texas is nearing the end of its deadliest year on record in 2021 as cities nationwide are experiencing a rise in homicides and gun violence incidents that began last year when the pandemic tightened its grip on the US.

 

Fueled by what both authorities and community leaders say is the easy access to guns, Austin has recorded 88 homicides so far this year, shattering the previous high of 59 in 1984.

 

The rise in violent crime is an epidemic that is happening "all across the country," said Thomas Abt, a senior fellow at the Council on Criminal Justice, and a result of three major factors: the impact of Covid-19 on communities and first responders, the fallout of the social unrest after the murder of George Floyd, and the surge in gun sales since the start of the pandemic.

 

These increases are not isolated to any particular region of the country. Other cities with record homicide totals include Louisville, Kentucky; Columbus, Ohio; Albuquerque, New Mexico; Tucson, Arizona; Rochester, New York; and Portland, Oregon. Milwaukee, Minneapolis and Nashville are also on pace to reach record homicide numbers by the end of the year.

 

"The pandemic, like community gun violence, concentrates among the poorest and most disenfranchised people," Abt said. "So those communities are doubly impacted, not only by Covid-19, but by gun violence."

At the same time, the institutions that are responsible for responding to violence, including police and community organizations, were also placed under stress and pressure, Abt added, referring to the phenomenon as a "perfect storm."

Abt said the second factor is the fallout of the social unrest following the murder of Floyd by former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin.

 

"We're seeing police pulling back in some cities from some of their discretionary law enforcement activities and we're also seeing communities pulling back from their ongoing collaboration and cooperation with police," he said. "When you have that divide between cops and communities, violence tends to go up."

 

The final factor experts say is causing violent crime to go up is a "huge surge in gun sales that began at the beginning of the pandemic and has not slowed down," he said.

A small but significant number of these guns are "ending up in the wrong hands and being used in gun crimes," Abt added.

 

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[Ball Security]

 

 

[China]

Burglary Suspect Held At Gunpoint By Fairfax City Resident

 

City of Fairfax Police arrested a man in connection with a Sunday morning burglary at a city residence, according to a police release.

 

Officers responded around 8:22 a.m. for the report of a burglary in the 10600 block of Railroad Court. A preliminary investigation revealed that a man whom the residents did not know entered their home, displayed a knife and lunged at one of them.

 

Armed with a firearm, the victim discharged one round into the living room floor and then held the man at gunpoint until police arrived. The officers arrested the man and no injuries were reported.

 

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[China]

 

[China]

This is how sad our country has become due to our gun obsession; people living in fear:

 

Car sound causes active shooter scare at Broward movie theater

 

Davie police responded to a call of an active shooter at the Cinemark movie theater at 15601 Sheridan Street on Sunday evening, but they said no evidence of a shooter was found after the building was cleared.

 

Police said it appeared a passing vehicle backfired and the loud sound caused confusion within the theater.

 

It created a scare for many moviegoers who were evacuated.

 

“The movie cut out, the alarms went off, the intercoms said, ‘Hey, everyone please leave the movie theatres,’” said Jonathan Fernandez. “And then I followed everyone out of the movie theaters. Everyone was in a little bit of a panic.”

 

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[China]

Senators Explain What Gun Control Means To Them