Tsailand Posted December 19, 2014 Author Share Posted December 19, 2014 With Griffin Without Griffin I stand corrected. It's a point in his favor, but I don't think it makes up for the difference in passing performance. People called RG3's 13 point performance last week a "good" performance. Sorry, but the point is to score games. I would argue that Cousins against Arizona, with his 3 ints, had a better game than almost every game by RG3, except perhaps Minnesota. I can't find DVOA and ANY/A stats broken down game-by-game. So just QBR... RG3 HOU 29.7 MIN 57.8 TB 12.9 SF 7.9 NYG 21.3 Cousins JAX 93.7 PHI 78.5 NYG 13.9 SEA 49.4 ARI 19.7 TEN 15.2 McCoy TEN 82.3 DAL 80.8 IND 26.7 STL 7.6 Remember, QBR goes from 0 to 100, and 50 is considered average. We were terrible on 3rd downs with Cousins as well. If you can find 3rd down efficiency stats broken down by QB, please post them. I have to imagine they favor Cousins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemocystem Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Can we combine the best attributes from all 3 into a vitamix & feed it to our next great 1st round QB to be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 One thing that I thought was interesting was that there is apparently a change in defensive philosophy when the three QBs are on the field. I forget which analyst was mentioning it, but apparently D Coordinators blitz much more with Griffin in. That could be because Griffin is more susceptible to pressure, but it also could be because teams didn't fear Colt's arm. I'd also be curious to see if Cousins sack numbers would change at this point. I think defenses have discovered after the bye just how dreadful our protection really is. I think we've been seeing a different attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audible_Red40 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 What's the lost confidence percentage for Cousins? That was his down fall that lead to turnovers etc.... The "O" was moving great and scoring while he was running this offense, then it's like McCoy spiked his drink and coach didn't like his hangover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAILSKINSNYC Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Cousins on 3rd down overall and 3rd down & long CMP ATT YDS CMP% AVG LNG TD INT SACK RAT DOWN = 3 OVERALL 29 52 273 55.8 5.25 37 0 3 4 46.4 3rd (or 4th) down and 9+ yards to go 7 19 38 36.8 2.00 28 0 1 4 23.4 RG3 on 3rd down overall and 3rd & long CMP ATT YDS CMP% AVG LNG TD INT SACK RAT DOWN = 3 OVERALL 23 35 291 65.7 8.31 61 1 1 12 89.1 3rd (or 4th) down and 9+ yards to go 8 14 49 57.1 3.50 42 0 0 4 64.3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 You have to let Cousins work out those turnovers. That's how good QB's get through that s**t. We all love Luck (and I do too)...he has 14 ints and 12 fumbles this year. That is 2 turnovers a game. Guess what he is also doing? Producing on offense. Guess who was producing on offense way better than Griffin and Mccoy? That would be Cousins I agree...my biggest fear is that by the end of 2015 we won't have given Cousins a shot to work through turnovers. Manning, Elway, Aikman, etc. all had upside down TD/INT ratios in their first full seasons and worked through it. If it's something they struggled with, why would we expect Cousins to avoid those pitfalls? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimmySmith Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Griffin sacked on 24% of dropbacks on 3rd down. McCoy sacked on 17%. Cousins sacked on 7%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Cousins just needs to get over the interception yips. I'm salty that we gave up on him so quickly. Our best chance to win if we're committing to a pocket passing based offense is to go with Cousins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrelgreenie Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 There is no doubt in my mind that McCoy and Cousin are more advanced as rhythm drop back passers then Griffin. But I think Griffin can get there eventually its a process that requires at a minimum 1) a patient and interested head coach 2) time In the right situation.... Talent will out, my dears Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff_K Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 RG3 is failing based on the scheme and play calling, not because he can't play......Brady and Manning would struggle in an offense that forced them to move. I would also rather have a QB who takes sacks; then a QB who's a turnover machine like Cousins on the other side, the QB who threw the pick at least gave us a chance to score, vs the guy that loses yards and we punt ... neither is great however the guy that tried to squeeze in that pass is more interesting (to me) than the guy that did not. /shrugs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAILSKINSNYC Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 I'm sorry, but I don't see an offense designed to make Robert successful. dropping back on 4th and 2......very few zone read play action passes.....no rollouts......lack of creativity in the red zone. Etc.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinny21 Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 I stand corrected. It's a point in his favor, but I don't think it makes up for the difference in passing performance.Oh, I agree. I was just curious what the correlation would be and how much they offset each other (takings sacks vs better run avg/totals). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newera Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 I cry when he throws an interception as well. I'd roll with him though. He's the best QB on the team. Ultimately, he is the best quarterback. Plays fast. Could be even better with a better offensive line. Skins will rue the day the day they let go of Kirk. Has the potential to be a prolific passer. Unless off course, we go all in for Kellen Moore. Yes, I'm still on his tip. Detroit just doesn't seem quite ready to let him go though. Restricted free agent this summer. Brilliant command of the qb position. Has instincts you can't teach. See's stuff before it happens. 50 - 3. All loses by less than three points. What has Boise been since he's left. An after thought. If Jay want's someone to take control of the qb position. He would. It's not always physical talent. Jay Cutler. Can the guy play the position. Can he read defenses. Does he know where to go with the ball. Is he a chain mover. Or, is he just over rated. McNabb II. I understand why we have to play Robert. Trying to justify everything we gave up to get him. No one wants to admit he could be a bust. That's admitting to an epic failure as a franchise again. We gave up the house. He almost has to make it. However, we are running out of time. Of course, bust is relative. He right now is not playing up to his draft status. He just not consistent enough. If he was a fifth round pick, he wouldn't even be playing now. It would be Kirk. He's not a rookie anymore. Almost 35 starts now. Bill Walsh said you usually know what you have in a quarterback after about 40 starts. We are getting close. Like Boz said, "He is the occasional playmaker at the qb position." These two games are very important for him. Hope the light starts coming on dude. He clearly is the third best quarterback on the team. The stats in this thread are bearing it out. Most physical talent. Yes. But, as we are seeing, the quarterback position is such a cerebral, integrate and innate position to master at the NFL level. You are dealing with defensive masterminds that figure you out. Take away your strenghts. Robert has been figured out. Now he has to adjust. When he caught the league by surprise with the read, he had the advantage. The league has caught up to the read. The game clearly has not slowed down for him yet. It's getting faster because he does not handle pressure well. Kirk by far handles it the best. Great thread. We clearly have three quarterbacks that each have very different strenghs. Colt really reminds me of Wilson. He could be the qb for Seattle and they still would be good. Not saying he is as good as Wilson, but he's in that genre. Robert clearly needs to be developed as an NFL quarterback. Gibbs would have sat him for his first two years! LOL He is the perfect physical specimen. Why he went so high. But again, this game is more mental, than just physical. How fast do you process information and see the field. The best do it in 2.5 seconds. For Robert, time is running out. I think Kirk is going to be a starter in this league. He only has eight NFL starts. He needs a more Brady in him. Cussin Brady LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsailand Posted December 21, 2014 Author Share Posted December 21, 2014 Of course, bust is relative. He right now is not playing up to his draft status. He just not consistent enough. If he was a fifth round pick, he wouldn't even be playing now. It would be Kirk. This is true. Shows how bad our GM/owner's decision making is. So today's game: Probably RG3's best of the season, and not just because we finally won with him as QB. He did some good things out there, though he was far from perfect. Passer rating: 81.8, less than his own 2014 season average of 89.8. Passer rating is a crappy stat.... YPA: 9.57, obviously quite good ANY/A: 6.40, if I calculated it correctly. For comparison, Russel Wilson's ANY/A this year is 6.39, 14th out of 34 ranked QBs. So a solid performance. QBR: Not available yet. 76.2. Good, but plenty of QBs have good QBRs week-to-week. Sanchez was a couple points higher, Whitehurst a couple points lower, and even poor Blake Bortles almost made it to 50 this week. DVOA: Updates on Tuesday. Not available on a per-game basis, but it's safe to say his season ranking will improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Griffin's int rate is low because he never throws the ball downfield. Robertsayswhat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyron Biggums Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Robertsayswhat? It's always the same few who always want to put RG3 down. It comes across like they rather RG3 do bad then the team do well. I have no time for them anymore. They can have fun with whatever hang up agenda they with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
respectgibbs Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Robertsayswhat? And yet he threw an interception 33% of the time he threw it downfield tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 And yet he threw an interception 33% of the time he threw it downfield tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesseNeckred Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 None of our other QBs win the game tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 There are things that Griffin needs to learn, but he has the talent to be a winning qb - more so than the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perez24 Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 I love reading these kinds of stats. I'm guessing that Gruden and Co. have access to this stuff, maybe even more and better stats. I'm wondering then, why did it take an injury to McCoy for Cousins to be activated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsailand Posted December 21, 2014 Author Share Posted December 21, 2014 None of our other QBs win the game tonight. Cousins and McCoy have each had two games this season with a better QBR. Cousins' average ANY/A this year is better than RG3's ANYA for just this game. McCoy's is a little lower, but he's probably had one or two games at least this good. So the advanced stats (please note the thread title) say that our other two QBs are capable of games like this. If you want to argue the point without reference to stats, there are plenty of other QB threads (where people will point out to you that most of RG3's performance consisted of of two deep bombs to DJ, something our other two QBs have done themselves this season). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenspandan Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 QBR is not a statistic, it is a summary of opinions from people who work at ESPN. do not cite it as a stat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsailand Posted December 21, 2014 Author Share Posted December 21, 2014 I noticed that the basic QB rating stat says that RG3's games against Houston, Minnesota, and the Giants were better than his game against the Eagles this afternoon. Which is clearly wrong, and just goes to show how flawed that rating system is. QBR says this was his best game of the season, not close. This matches what we saw on the field today. I decided to go back and calculate ANY/A for each of RG3's games this season. HOU: 6.03 MIN: 6.06 TB: 2.55, utterly dreadful SF: 3.21 NYG: 6.15. PHI: 6.40 So ANY/A agrees: this was his best game of the season. (I am ignoring the games against Jacksonville and the Rams, obviously) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenspandan Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 QB rating is not a useful stat on a per game basis because the sample size is too low and biased by the opponent's defensive strategies and capabilities. It is a useful stat over a person's career because those two limitations are mitigated due to having a full gamut of opponents and situations. QBR is useless in all situations because it's just a bunch of biased ESPN idiots assigning numbers to their opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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